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The Busse “LIVE” performance challenge

. . . . . . Let's cover the history and the intent.

For those of you who were around in the 80's you'll remember the performance challenge that was put out by another knife manufacturer.

We responded to this challenge by duplicating their tests in the late 90's and then adding a few of our own.

The forums were much more volatile back then and the attacks by anonymous posters was never-ending. We were spending countless hours responding to these endless debates with anonymous posters who would make performance claims based on speculation alone, not on actual tests.

We did a number of our tests “LIVE” to put an end to the speculative nonsense that would rise up on the discussion forums. For the most part it worked.

When another manufacturer or customer of a would be competitor starts claiming that their knives outperform ours, we simply say “Have the manufacturer duplicate our tests in a “LIVE” demo like we did”. If they want to add additional tests after that, that's fine too. But do ours first. Simple right?

We have primarily directed this challenge towards other manufacturers and not individual knifemakers.

Note however, that all knifemakers are welcome to duplicate our tests. Have at it. It's a lot of fun.


Thoughts about steel.

There are many great steels on the market today. There are now several steels that can do better at certain performance criteria than INFI. There are tougher steels, more stain resistant steels, better edge-holding steels, better impact resistant steels, steels with a greater ease of resharpening, etc. . .

However, INFI is the best that we have found for great performance across the board in ALL of these categories.

Many of our customers fall into the “Extreme Performance” category. Probably from too much scotch and bacon! (I'm sorry, there can NEVER be too much scotch or bacon!) These HOGs want the same knife that they field dressed their game with to survive the beating of a lifetime with a baton or steel hammer while making firewood. And they demand that level of knife abuse be covered by our warranty. This is where INFI shines. We have gone years without a warranty claim.

It certainly doesn't mean that every knife needs to be made of INFI. There will always be better choices for a knife if it is only going to be called on to slice, or chop, or resist rust, or dress game, etc. . . We recently added ELMAX to our steel battery about 10 months ago. It's a great steel for thin slicers that require high levels of stain resistance. We are currently working with several other steels that could prove to be a better choice than INFI for some of our upcoming models as well.

In the end, it's all about providing the customer with options that will fill his or her needs.

Here's the bottom line,

I am a performance steel nut! . . . I am not afraid of finding a steel that can outperform INFI across the board, I'm counting on it! :thumbup::D

Fortunately, we have some of the best heat treating and cryogenic equipment that can be had. We experiment constantly with different grades of steel. :cool:


And one final note,

Perhaps, we should be aware that new members or lurkers who look in on the bickering in this thread will not be enticed to stick around. . . I wouldn't be.

I call on the "personalities" in this thread to cool down a bit and have a beer. :thumbup:

What's that horrible song that my little girls won't stop singing from a Disney film? . . . . "Let It Go"

We are all knife fans! Knives are supposed to be fun! :thumbup:

Let's Drink! :thumbup:

Jerry :D
 
Jerry Busse said:
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And one final note,

Perhaps, we should be aware that new members or lurkers who look in on the bickering in this thread will not be enticed to stick around. . . I wouldn't be.

I call on the "personalities" in this thread to cool down a bit and have a beer. :thumbup:

What's that horrible song that my little girls won't stop singing from a Disney film? . . . . "Let It Go"

We are all knife fans! Knives are supposed to be fun! :thumbup:

Let's Drink! :thumbup:

Jerry :D
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I'll second that notion :D :thumbup:
 
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Jerry Busse said:
The Busse “LIVE” performance challenge

. . . . . . Let's cover the history and the intent.

For those of you who were around in the 80's you'll remember the performance challenge that was put out by another knife manufacturer.

We responded to this challenge by duplicating their tests in the late 90's and then adding a few of our own.

Snip.....

Let's Drink! :thumbup:

Jerry :D
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Jerry

Yes, I remember and know exactly what you are talking about. :thumbup:

Jim
 
bearcut said:
Crucible steel said that they had analyzed "INFI" steel many years ago. They determined that it was A8 Modified. They said they won't produce it. They buy theirs from China.
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Can you provide a reference to that information please? I've been following all sorts of steel composition information and INFI composition popped up twice, I have both listed in the steel chart, neither is "A8 Mod", second composition is similar, but not the same. What you said above about Crucible, I have never seen. Where did you see that?
Who are they? Busse combat buys A8 Mod from China?
 
Gator97 said:
Can you provide a reference to that information please? I've been following all sorts of steel composition information and INFI composition popped up twice, I have both listed in the steel chart, neither is "A8 Mod", second composition is similar, but not the same. What you said above about Crucible, I have never seen. Where did you see that?
Who are they? Busse combat buys A8 Mod from China?
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I'm still wondering if the new INFI would do the same as the old INFI. It was the old INFI that the test was done on, right?
 
I've been following all sorts of steel composition information and INFI composition popped up twice, I have both listed in the steel chart, neither is "A8 Mod", second composition is similar, but not the same.
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Hello Gator. I'm not saying Infi is A8(mod). I am going to say that no steel a person buys will come in exactly as the specs show. I have a bunch of comp. analysis sheets for steels here that I could send you some time that can show how much compositions vary in steels. In addition, there will often be extra elements in the analysis that show up because steel is recycled so much. The more work that is done to keep steel clean and performing the same from batch to batch the higher the costs naturally. BG42 is often used as an example for that but with the newer steels used in aerospace and reactors, subs, etc. the certification process is more and more important. Simple cold work tool steels don't really have to be that exacting. Since you have no specs for Infi, for instance, you have no real way of saying whether the numbers fall in Infi's specs or not. Looking at the analysis ( Infi, second style) in your website if I got that for the lab analysis for A8(mod) on an order I'd be satisfied. I've seen specs vary a lot more than that.

By the way, Jerry is a likeable guy with a great sense of humor. I stopped drinking years ago but even I'd have a drink with him. :)

joe
 
Ok that's it, I'm buying a new Busse knife !
People put way too much time over thinkinf Infi
As the man said it's a great all around steel
I just hope he makes a .25 inch full flat grind battle mistress one day
 
Thanks for the Pic antdog
Looks nice but I prefer the look of the fbm of 2006 with the 10 inch blade
To me that is the quintessential Busse
 
Gator97 said:
Can you provide a reference to that information please? I've been following all sorts of steel composition information and INFI composition popped up twice, I have both listed in the steel chart, neither is "A8 Mod", second composition is similar, but not the same. What you said above about Crucible, I have never seen. Where did you see that?
Who are they? Busse combat buys A8 Mod from China?
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Jerry Hossom said this information was given to him directly from Crucible. He mentioned this on another forum several years ago.
I have no reason to doubt his claim. I also have no reason to doubt that Crucible knows everything there is to know about infi.

As to where busse buys their steel, I have no idea.
 
Jerry Busse said:
I'm excited to see someone finally stepping up. . . . It's like waiting 16 years for someone to finally show up at your party!:eek:

I have only heard good things about Dan. I think it's great that he's going to attempt to duplicate our "LIVE" tests! :thumbup:

I'm hoping he does it at BLADE 2016 so that I can watch for a while.:thumbup::thumbup:

Let's Drink!:thumbup:

Jerry :D
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Jerry you are the man , cool.
i also like Dan's attitude , cheers men.
 
bearcut said:
Jerry Hossom said this information was given to him directly from Crucible. He mentioned this on another forum several years ago.
I have no reason to doubt his claim. I also have no reason to doubt that Crucible knows everything there is to know about infi.

As to where busse buys their steel, I have no idea.
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yes he said this before several years ago , i know this.
 
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