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Cobalt said:
Here is the conversation



and here is Hossoms response:



His response was as insightful as a fart. There has never been a Mod A8 with INFI's composition. Plain and simple. I have seen a few different formulas for Mod A8, but not one has ever had a hint of Cobalt or Nitrogen or Nickel for that matter. Maybe Hossom should produce who told him that dribble, huh. That is pretty much like saying that all stainless steels with 16% chrome are the same.

In fact, that thread is full of suspicious Hossonisms, like the 3V knife that was bent multiple times to 90 degrees, lol. What a lie. yet no one challenges him on totally BS lies
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Jerry Hossom is not a liar on "his 3V knife that was bent multiple times to 90 degrees" , man , He is just somewhat credulous a little bit when the info was congratulated & agreeable to his knife.

As i know that the rumor that his 3v knife was bent multiple times to 90 degrees without breaking is comes from a srael customer and Jerry Hossom take it and propagate it as what he was seen. funny?

And this 3v rumor was Widespread in China for many years as a proof of 3v "Legendary " toughness . funny ? :D
 
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sodak said:
You're doing a great job of ducking the serious questions and turning this into a personality contest. But the question remains, do you have industry standard testing data on INFI by an independent third party?

I realize that I'm probably wasting my time with you, but since BF doesn't (as a rule) delete threads, it will be nice to have this thread to refer to when this continues to come up.
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They do move them "offline" where no can can see them.
 
sodak said:
You're doing a great job of ducking the serious questions and turning this into a personality contest. But the question remains, do you have industry standard testing data on INFI by an independent third party?

I realize that I'm probably wasting my time with you, but since BF doesn't (as a rule) delete threads, it will be nice to have this thread to refer to when this continues to come up.
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you are push too hard ,Jerry Busse run a knife company and sell good knives , why they seek independent third party ?

both Jerry & Dan take the challenge , they will meet at 2016 bladeshow , man .
 
sodak said:
But the question remains, do you have industry standard testing data on INFI by an independent third party?
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Sodak, since you brought up those industry standard tests couple times, I am curios now, can you clarify which tests are you referring to, and in addition, can you please share any data, I'd be interested to add relevant info in some for to steel composition database, I think it'd be useful for the readers and will make database more complete/useful.
 
dingy said:
Jerry Hossom is not a liar on "his 3V knife that was bent multiple times to 90 degrees" , man , He is just somewhat credulous a little bit when the info was congratulated & agreeable to his knife.

As i know that the rumor that his 3v knife was bent multiple times to 90 degrees without breaking is comes from a srael customer and Jerry Hossom take it and propagate it as what he was seen. funny?

And this 3v rumor was Widespread in China for many years as a proof of 3v "Legendary " toughness . funny ? :D
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Propagating a ridiculous rumor is no different than pure BS and he did it many times in that thread. To me it is the same thing.

And no, Jerry does not need to do anything until someone steps and duplicates his tests. Unlike Hossom, Jerry did it on video or live:

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Cobalt, thanks for giving me the link to read as well as the image holding your test results. I wasn't aware until you posted it that you were the source of the information in the different places your test results have been posted.

It does seem like there were two different steels used in Infi and Mod Infi. That's about all I can say I feel safe in saying at this point.

As I understand it Carpenter/Latrobe Spec.Steels will no longer be supplying A8(mod). They already have removed some of the data sheets over at the website http://customer.cartech.com/technical_alloycomparison.cfm?View=Results&CatID=1. This page has removed it from the list leaving only the old PDF on file this page: http://customer.cartech.com/technical_datasheets.cfm

It will be interesting seeing the other steel offerings coming up in the future. I don't have any doubts the most performance possible will be achieved with the. As Jerry stated they have the equipment and facilities for it.

Thanks,


Joe
 
Jerry Hossom is a good knife maker , his knives are looking cool.

many years ago i invoved a keyboard battle with a mod on chinese knife forums , the man was called court0 , his is a lover of hossom's knives , especially to those 3v ones.

court0 did a test that use one of hossom 3v knife chops one iron tube with small diameter , finally cutted through the wall of that iron tube and make a small hole on it. and the edge has a tiny chip.
then he made a statement( assertment) that the knife he tested is a perfect one with strengh and toughness well banlanced , and there is no maker can a get this point of perfection ,but only Jerry Hossom .

i use a cold steel GI TANTO that made of 1055 mid carbon steel chop through two bigger iron tubes with 1' diameter , Completely cut off two tubes for 30 Minutes , just leave some dents on the edge of my GI TANTO .

Me and my gi tanto are winner of this ? just a ban to me , i get banned.

many years gone by , i just think my 1055 steel gi tanto is tougher than that one made of 3v by hossom.

i come here do not mean saying hossom 3v knife is bad , and my gi tanto is good.

by lacking stable info , i just wanna know how tough a bos HTed (or well HTed )3v knife was , so i go into swamp rat knives and busse subforum to seeking what i need.

so i asking Jerry Busse and other people for 3v vs. Sr101 as a reference that how tough 3v was , what a pity that no one can did a thoughly tests on 3v vs. Sr101 and leaving detail info into public , and the thread was locked up.

and this thread is really cool for me , i like go straight and looking forward to 2016 blade show's result of challenge.

i am sorry for fuss here , i do not mean this .
 
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See Dingy, you claim you did something with your GI tanto, but there is no video proof, so in essence you did not do it. You see how that works now. :D
But I agree with you that the GI tanto is one tough mutha.

In all seriousness, Hossom did not have to propagate tall tales. All he had to do was say "someone claims they took one of my 3V knives and did this or that with it" . Or how about "someone just told me that they compared S30V to A2 and their are about equal in toughness", So in essence he did not truly lie, but here we are requiring proof from a maker that proved it in front of witnesses at blade and made videos. See the double standard.

If you look at the pic of the Battlemistress being bent in a vice, it is actually bent beyond 90 degrees if you compare it to what others claim they bend to 90.

So we have so many out there claiming tests of so many knives, yet very little video proof. Probably why Cold Steel is so successful. Their proof video may be corny, but it makes a point and shows knives doing real things. Even their new videos of lifting a car by the handle of their 3V blade is very cool.
 
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The Mastiff said:
Cobalt, thanks for giving me the link to read as well as the image holding your test results. I wasn't aware until you posted it that you were the source of the information in the different places your test results have been posted.

It does seem like there were two different steels used in Infi and Mod Infi. That's about all I can say I feel safe in saying at this point.

As I understand it Carpenter/Latrobe Spec.Steels will no longer be supplying A8(mod). They already have removed some of the data sheets over at the website http://customer.cartech.com/technical_alloycomparison.cfm?View=Results&CatID=1. This page has removed it from the list leaving only the old PDF on file this page: http://customer.cartech.com/technical_datasheets.cfm

It will be interesting seeing the other steel offerings coming up in the future. I don't have any doubts the most performance possible will be achieved with the. As Jerry stated they have the equipment and facilities for it.

Thanks,


Joe
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The fact that Mod A8 is going away is a sad day and it is mainly due to low demand. There are probably cheaper steels being used in chippers these days. I would have loved to have seen the knife industry and custom makers use more Mod A8 and they never went that way.

But it is not surprising when you look at S5 steel. That one is going the way of the dinosaur as well. To bad because it is the toughest steel ever used in knives.
 
Cobalt said:
See Dingy, you claim you did something with your GI tanto, but there is no video proof, so in essence you did not do it. You see how that works now. :D
But I agree with you that the GI tanto is one tough mutha.

In all seriousness, Hossom did not have to propagate tall tales. All he had to do was say "someone claims they took one of my 3V knives and did this or that with it" . Or how about "someone just told me that they compared S30V to A2 and their are about equal in toughness", So in essence he did not truly lie, but here we are requiring proof from a maker that proved it in front of witnesses at blade and made videos. See the double standard.

If you look at the pic of the Battlemistress being bent in a vice, it is actually bent beyond 90 degrees if you compare it to what others claim they bend to 90.

So we have so many out there claiming tests of so many knives, yet very little video proof. Probably why Cold Steel is so successful. Their proof video may be corny, but it makes a point and shows knives doing real things. Even their new videos of lifting a car by the handle of their 3V blade is very cool.
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cold steel video are not tests , just advertisements.
i got nothing from seeing those ads :D
 
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Well, 21 pages in, and the only thing I want to know about a knife from Busse....

Will it KEEL?
 
Velitrius said:
Well, 21 pages in, and the only thing I want to know about a knife from Busse....

Will it KEEL?
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will busse keel?
there are possiblities that busse fail in the future Challenage .
but BUSSE was proven for many years that they made high quality knives, nothing to lose from the Challenage , just get respect.
i respected Jerry & Dan , both men walk the walk :thumbup:

i am considering that buying the competition knives from both Jerry & Dan ,no matter who wins , cuz i like the attitude of both men . really cool.:thumbup:
 
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Asking for charpy test results for INFI is like trying to validate the terminal performance of a 45-70 with velocity and energy figures. After all that's been proven, it's a little pointless.
 
This is my problem with homebrew tests, why should I care how far a knife gets bent in a vice without breaking? Give me the force that it took to bend it and I may be impressed, but it's otherwise a relatively meaningless test. Charpy numbers at various hardness would be vastly more informative.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
This is my problem with homebrew tests, why should I care how far a knife gets bent in a vice without breaking? Give me the force that it took to bend it and I may be impressed, but it's otherwise a relatively meaningless test. Charpy numbers at various hardness would be vastly more informative.
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I disagree. Testing a steel in it's final configuration is way more informative than std charpy tests.
 
Cobalt said:
Propagating a ridiculous rumor is no different than pure BS and he did it many times in that thread. To me it is the same thing.

And no, Jerry does not need to do anything until someone steps and duplicates his tests. Unlike Hossom, Jerry did it on video or live:

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Who or what was/were the nearest competitor(s)? Please show the other parts of those pictures with the other tests.

(I could ask many questions here which could really get this "argument" rolling. :D Should I??? ;) )
 
dingy said:
you are push too hard ,Jerry Busse run a knife company and sell good knives , why they seek independent third party ?

both Jerry & Dan take the challenge , they will meet at 2016 bladeshow , man .
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Gator97 said:
Sodak, since you brought up those industry standard tests couple times, I am curios now, can you clarify which tests are you referring to, and in addition, can you please share any data, I'd be interested to add relevant info in some for to steel composition database, I think it'd be useful for the readers and will make database more complete/useful.
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I wonder if we are talking past each other. What I would like to see are tests of the steel, not the knives. So I'm looking for the tests that the foundry/steel manufacturer does, not a performance test. While it's entertaining to see people doing cutting, chopping, prying, etc., it's the independent tests of the steel, not the knife, that I would like to see. You can find these values for just about any steel out there. A sample of the data is here, but it's all over the internet.

http://www.crucibleservice.com/eselector/general/generalpart1.html

For example, take the charts that show the edge retention v.s. toughness/strength of the various CPM steels, and when you want a knife for a specific purpose, you can narrow your search down quickly. You wouldn't pick 10V for a chopper. While many knife makers can play around with the heat treat to maximize the properties of a certain steel, there are limits. Nobody will ever be able to heat treat 10V to be tougher than 3V. And vice versa for edge retention - it just isn't in the steels, but you won't know that without the basic information.

So I keep seeing posts of "INFI is tougher than 3V", show me the chart. You can't tell me that whoever produces INFI hasn't done these tests. I want to see the steels compared, not individual knives. That's been my whole point all along, and it's not been answered. Informal events are fun, but they are indicative of the knives and the steels combined. I want to see the steel by itself, to see if it truly stands up to all this hype.

I suspect INFI is behind 3V in edge retention and in the same league or slightly ahead in toughness. But without the data, it's just guessing, based on how the steels have performed for me. And testing a couple of knives won't tell us because geometry will play a big role in all of this.

There's an old saying that if you have a debate and the facts are on your side, use the facts. If the facts aren't on your side, pound the table. It's pretty obvious what's been going on here. I'm definitely saving this thread.

PS - I meant to say also that good for Dan for doing this, I'm sure he'll do very well and have a lot of fun.
 
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