Brands comparable to busse

Cobalt said:
Real world use my friend. Might be a novel idea to many collectors in here who don't actually use their knives. And if you think that vice and bending a blade has no purpose, then you have never taken a blade and used it hard and have it fail on you. It will tell you more about the knife than some charpy test. Real world facts. The charpy test will only confirm what I already knew.
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Cobalt's right here... no, I don't put my knives in a vice and bend them, but I do apply lateral force, and that is what the vice test uhhh. tests.

I apply this kind of force to a CS Kukri machete. It's made of 1055 and can pull it off. Won't hold an edge, but I don't need it to. I'll do it to a Mora too, but only because if it breaks, I have another one and its replacement is only a $10 bill away. There are other knives in my stable that I will definitely not subject to this kind of stress, simply because they will not take it. However, they are not useless... far from it... they are just not designed for this kind of duty.

I ain't saying that the Busse's ability to handle this kind of stress isn't impressive. It is. And I understand the reason for wanting a blade that will take that kind of stress... and hold an edge... and have a fantabulous warranty... and you know the rest.
 
Cobalt said:
This is one of the few places where paper facts are preferred over actual tool usage, lol. How ridiculous. I challenged someone on here to a cutting test with both of us present using our knives and maybe a few witnesses and he ran like a B!T(H.
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Only in your own little dream world. Charpy tests are real-world. And much more indicative than any alcohol-fueled cutting test, that's for sure.


Cobalt said:
I have yet to see cpm3V cut any rope on video or witnessed
I have yet to see cpm3V bend to any degree on video
I have yet to see cpm3V penetrate any steel on video

Busse has done all that. Who has proven what? Think again. There are Busse owners in many states. I am sure we have one near you 3V owners. And I can tell you they will use their knives harder than you ever dreamed of. So you want a challenge, why don't you challenge an INFI owner in your area.
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I did. I still get crickets when I ask for steel test data. Busse crickets.
 
Sodak, the only crickets is you. I challenged you and you ran like a B! ( you can keep on blowing hot air, but that won't change that fact)

Case closed.

As for the rest well the Busse advertisement should read as follows:

"Busse Built for those who like to use their knives hard without failure"

Here is me chopping down and twisting the edge out hard. I have broken many knives doing this:


Here is my twisting the tip of my SHBM out. Again I have broken many knives doing this:
















Oh by the way, I have several INFI blades that I have thrown thousands of times, many thousands. I have also chopped and battoned many cords of wood with those knives as well. They are still alive after more than 15 years of hard use. The log above that I was throwing at has many broken knife tips in it. INFI never failed there. I never threw 3V at it, and I would hope it would fare well, but there is no proof anywhere that it would or would not. Just some charpy test, wow:rolleyes:

Basically, if you are not getting a Busse, other stuff will work just fine. If you want the something that is proven tough, not just on some steel mills data sheet, then make sure that the knife maker knows how to HT steel. If they base their information on a steel mills data sheet, well, they can easily screw up an HT or make it inconsistent which means you have a good chance of getting a weak blade. With a Busse the chances of getting something not HT's properly are near zero.

There are talkers and there are doers. The videos and pics of proof are from the doers and the typing is from the talkers.

Really no more to be said here. CIAO!!!!:D
 
sodak said:
Only in your own little dream world. Charpy tests are real-world. And much more indicative than any alcohol-fueled cutting test, that's for sure.



I did. I still get crickets when I ask for steel test data. Busse crickets.
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Would these charpy tests reveal the toughness of a blade as well as its edge holding ability? I'm not completely familiar with them
 
Velitrius said:
Cobalt's right here... no, I don't put my knives in a vice and bend them, but I do apply lateral force, and that is what the vice test uhhh. tests.

I apply this kind of force to a CS Kukri machete. It's made of 1055 and can pull it off. Won't hold an edge, but I don't need it to. I'll do it to a Mora too, but only because if it breaks, I have another one and its replacement is only a $10 bill away. There are other knives in my stable that I will definitely not subject to this kind of stress, simply because they will not take it. However, they are not useless... far from it... they are just not designed for this kind of duty.

I ain't saying that the Busse's ability to handle this kind of stress isn't impressive. It is. And I understand the reason for wanting a blade that will take that kind of stress... and hold an edge... and have a fantabulous warranty... and you know the rest.
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CS 1055 do hold an edge , not bad from my exprience , it is very easy to sharpen and immune to chipping :thumbup:

i have some CS 1055 knives and machetes, they are all hold an edge , GI TANTO modded by me , is one of my favorite outdoor knife .:D

i slice and cut food and wood with my GI TANTO , i throw it without fear of breaking the tip , CS 1055 knives serve me well .
 
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Cobalt said:
Real world use my friend. Might be a novel idea to many collectors in here who don't actually use their knives. And if you think that vice and bending a blade has no purpose, then you have never taken a blade and used it hard and have it fail on you. It will tell you more about the knife than some charpy test. Real world facts. The charpy test will only confirm what I already knew.

This is one of the few places where paper facts are preferred over actual tool usage, lol. How ridiculous. I challenged someone on here to a cutting test with both of us present using our knives and maybe a few witnesses and he ran like a B!T(H.

I have yet to see cpm3V cut any rope on video or witnessed
I have yet to see cpm3V bend to any degree on video
I have yet to see cpm3V penetrate any steel on video

Busse has done all that. Who has proven what? Think again. There are Busse owners in many states. I am sure we have one near you 3V owners. And I can tell you they will use their knives harder than you ever dreamed of. So you want a challenge, why don't you challenge an INFI owner in your area.
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And how much force did it take to bend it? Bending doesn't prove a darn thing without numbers to back it up. Charpy testing gives you those numbers. So called "actual tool usage" gives you a bunch of bros hollering anecdotal evidence and no hard numbers. You're claiming superiority of a steel and throwing in a ton of variables that will badly throw off any testing done and decrying the very testing that removes those variables and gives us hard evidence.

Empirical data drives us forward, a bend test says something about, at best, that one, single knife. And when you don't measure the force involved to bend it it's essentially worthless because different steels and different knives will ha e varying degrees of rigidity. If I do the same test with a fillet knife it will perform much, much better, but won't require nearly the same force to bend. If your only criterion is how far it bends you're measuring the wrong thing.
 
Cobalt said:
Sodak, the only crickets is you. I challenged you and you ran like a B! ( you can keep on blowing hot air, but that won't change that fact)

Case closed.

Really no more to be said here. CIAO!!!!:D
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Dream on. I'm not running anywhere (least of all from you), just laughing at how you run away from the facts and try to keep twisting things around. Keep throwing your knives, now there's a good test for something that's supposed to cut...

I'm after the facts, not some blowhard trying to puff his chest out. What was that saying about pounding the table, I'm sure I read it somewhere....
 
Insipid Moniker said:
And how much force did it take to bend it? Bending doesn't prove a darn thing without numbers to back it up. Charpy testing gives you those numbers. So called "actual tool usage" gives you a bunch of bros hollering anecdotal evidence and no hard numbers. You're claiming superiority of a steel and throwing in a ton of variables that will badly throw off any testing done and decrying the very testing that removes those variables and gives us hard evidence.

Empirical data drives us forward, a bend test says something about, at best, that one, single knife. And when you don't measure the force involved to bend it it's essentially worthless because different steels and different knives will ha e varying degrees of rigidity. If I do the same test with a fillet knife it will perform much, much better, but won't require nearly the same force to bend. If your only criterion is how far it bends you're measuring the wrong thing.
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Sorry to ask again, but what does a charpy test reveal? Toughness? Edge holding? Lateral strength? I'll do a little reading but just curious.
This is what I couldn't find at its simplest explanation.
"The quantitative result of the impact tests the energy needed to fracture a material and can be used to measure the toughness of the material. "
So am I wrong to think that it only measures toughness of the blade but wouldn't give too much insight as to all of the other aspects such as as edge retention, wear resistance, corrosion resistance, hardness.?
 
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rcb2000 said:
Sorry to ask again, but what does a charpy test reveal? Toughness? Edge holding? Lateral strength? I'll do a little reading but just curious.
This is what I couldn't find at its simplest explanation.
"The quantitative result of the impact tests the energy needed to fracture a material and can be used to measure the toughness of the material. "
So am I wrong to think that it only measures toughness of the blade but wouldn't give too much insight as to all of the other aspects such as as edge retention etc.?
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It is a notched steel sample that is impacted. The impact energy required to break the sample is the toughness. Only toughness. So for example a Steel like S5 is the king of Toughness for the most part. But it's edge holding is no where near what other tough steels are. Neither is it's corrosion resistance.

oh and Sodak, anyone who reads the original exchange between you and me will not see it your way. Keep on runnin. You must live in Boulder. :D
 
So that's what 20 pages is all about?! Because there's not some lab test to prove that INFI is less likely to chip?? Holy crap what a waste of time, does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that in INFI does not excel at toughness???????
Wow,,,😆😆😆😆😆
Isn't that like saying that you don't believe a Lamborghini is fast because you haven't seen a video of it doing the quarter mile ??!! Ha!!
I'm going to bed,,, wow.... Toughness test!! Oh boy,,, that's funny
 
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rcb2000 said:
So that's what 20 pages is all about?! Because there's not some lab test to prove that INFI is less likely to chip?? Holy crap what a waste of time, does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that in INFI does not excel at toughness???????
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Isn't that like saying that you don't believe a Lamborghini is fast because you haven't seen a video of it doing the quarter mile ??!! Ha!!
I'm going to bed,,, wow.... Toughness test!! Oh boy,,, that's funny
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No, it's actually more like watching a Lamborghini run a quarter mile, then watching somebody tear ass down the Autobahn in it, next watching somebody win a bunch of races in it... and then a bunch of asshats yell from the stands "yeah, but sheeeit, you didn't even put it on a dyno!" "Until I see's numbers, I ain't believin' squat!" :rolleyes:
 
Guys, this is what Lynn Thompson has to say: "Cold Steel : World's Strongest Sharpest Knives". So ... this matter has been settled. The debate is over.

LOL!
 
AntDog said:
No, it's actually more like watching a Lamborghini run a quarter mile, then watching somebody tear ass down the Autobahn in it, next watching somebody win a bunch of races in it... and then a bunch of asshats yell from the stands "yeah, but sheeeit, you didn't even put it on a dyno!" "Until I see's numbers, I ain't believin' squat!" :rolleyes:
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It's more like people are saying it has the most horsepower, gets the best gas mileage, and tows the most weight. Then people back that up with quarter mile times, autobahn top speed and "I towed a bunch of crap with it a few times". Then the bystanders ask for dyno, fuel economy, and towing ratings numbers, and they get the same responses over again of "its fast, goes forever on a tank, and tows this here trailer".

(and yes, I realize that Lamborghinis wouldn't be used to tow anything, but I worked with the analogy that was already in use)

Charpy and catra tests are the industry standard for knife steels for a reason. A specific test for toughness, another specific test for edge retention, for the steels themselves. The other live tests mentioned a lot in this thread give some idea, but are somewhat more specific to a certain knife, as geometry, size, etc all can change how it performs.

And again, no one is claiming busse knives are bad. No one is claiming these live tests didn't happen, no one is claiming infi is bad. They're just curious if there are any "dyno" numbers behind the claims of "most horsepower", etc.

However, at this point it seems that if Jerry or another representative hasn't stepped in with results, he either doesn't have them, or doesn't want to share them (which is fine, its his prerogative if its a custom proprietary steel like it seems to be). I'd personally be inclined to believe the latter, and would also guess that at least part of the reason is that he likes the mystique / marketing around the steel.
 
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ocnLogan said:
It's more like people are saying it has the most horsepower, gets the best gas mileage, and tows the most weight. Then people back that up with quarter mile times, autobahn top speed and "I towed a bunch of crap with it a few times". Then the bystanders ask for dyno, fuel economy, and towing ratings numbers, and they get the same responses over again of "its fast, goes forever on a tank, and tows this here trailer".

(and yes, I realize that Lamborghinis wouldn't be used to tow anything, but I worked with the analogy that was already in use)

Charpy and catra tests are the industry standard for knife steels for a reason. A specific test for toughness, another specific test for edge retention, for the steels themselves. The other live tests mentioned a lot in this thread give some idea, but are somewhat more specific to a certain knife, as geometry, size, etc all can change how it performs.

And again, no one is claiming busse knives are bad. No one is claiming these live tests didn't happen, no one is claiming infi is bad. They're just curious if there are any "dyno" numbers behind the claims of "most horsepower", etc.

However, at this point it seems that if Jerry or another representative hasn't stepped in with results, he either doesn't have them, or doesn't want to share them (which is fine, its his prerogative if its a custom proprietary steel like it seems to be). I'd personally be inclined to believe the latter, and would also guess that at least part of the reason is that he likes the mystique / marketing around the steel.
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ok , go and sent a email to Jerry asking what you are interested in.

we can not answer your Q about INFI ,sorry. if you seeking to buy a high quality knife , i think i would Recommend a BUSSE knife to you :D
 
rcb2000 said:
So that's what 20 pages is all about?! Because there's not some lab test to prove that INFI is less likely to chip?? Holy crap what a waste of time, does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that in INFI does not excel at toughness???????
Wow,,,😆😆😆😆😆
Isn't that like saying that you don't believe a Lamborghini is fast because you haven't seen a video of it doing the quarter mile ??!! Ha!!
I'm going to bed,,, wow.... Toughness test!! Oh boy,,, that's funny
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If you claim you car has the most horsepower but won't tell anyone how much and won't let anyone test it I'm not going to take your word for it. Okay, INFI is tough. I want to know how tough. Not your stories about how tough, actual, hard numbers so I can compare it to every other steel in existence. Some like the air of mystery Busse cultivates. Me? I want all available data and I get suspicious when that data is withheld or obfuscated.

I'm not claiming the superiority of 3V or any other steel, the fans and the company are making that claim and, much as y'all love to wave around videos of people hitting cars and bending knives, you simply can't back any claims about the steel with any hard numbers. In short, I believe the knives are fantastic, I don't believe anything about the steel because there's no real information.
 
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