BRKT Boone II - Returned for Flaw

Maybe you could take another picture that shows a little better what's so bad about that spot. That's the character of the burl, not a "defect" as I look at it. http://knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/829008/

Maybe, you could show me some burl from the BRKT site that has a flaw in it like this one.

BTW, I collect briar wood pipes (briar is another type of burl). You will find in most burls small imperfections, lines, eyes, even small dimples. A flaw like this would be considered not only cosmetically unacceptable, but most likely a fatal flaw if on the bowl. Flaws like it elsewhere usually result in some sort of rustication to cover them up.

Maybe, it just came from a particularly bad billet of burl wood.
 
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That kind of mark is common on any burl. It isnt a defect, its just a unique mark. Par for the course.
 
That kind of mark is common on any burl. It isnt a defect, its just a unique mark. Par for the course.

I'm not sure how a mark can be both common and unique at the same time, but...

It's not just a mark or discoloration. It's actually a quite long, dry, and rough area (with some internal cracking BTW) that apparently could not take the manufacturer's oil and wax - just as knots (which are known as flaws in wood) absorb polishes. In fact, it most closely resembles a string of knots. It may have even been filled in a bit; hard to tell. However, they're flaws and another word for "flaw" is "defect". Some flaws are small enough to be acceptable on a piece this size; others are not.
 
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Maybe, you could show me some burl from the BRKT site that has a flaw in it like this one.

Sorry, I just didn't see that much bad in the pix, so I was curious if you had any more with better angles. Don't sweat it. Oddly enough I went by the other forum and they had a thread going on barkie woods. Yeah, you probably have a point. Some of those woods are remarkable.

http://knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/829746/
 
Yeah, none of those have anything like what is in the OP.

I sent a pic to my ex with a description of how the problem area felt and she said it could be a few things, including a series of knots they sanded into and then tried to touch up, gum pockets, part of a bark inclusion. But, it's not an "eye", which might even be desirable if it looked good. You see these types of flaws (including pits) mostly on rustic or distressed vases and the like. But, you know that's what you're getting.

The fact that its dry, rough, and slightly flattened means that it's a flaw that cannot be properly finished. It may continue to open up, dry and crack. Again, that might be OK on the rustic vase you bought at the local furniture store that's going to sit on a side table somewhere. For something that is going to be used, pick up oils, get wet, sit in the sun - potentially bad news. This is not a safe queen, obviously.

So, to be fair, I can understand how some people might actually like these kinds of flaws if they're spread more uniformly through the wood, on a larger piece, and don't detract from the overall finish and design. In her words, "It would be kind of cool, if it were smaller and there were several of them spread out over the sample."

BTW, her husband is a home builder and got a real chuckle out of the comments about wanting flawed marble counter tops at full price, though. "Where are all those customers, when you need 'em?"
 
Sorry, I just didn't see that much bad in the pix, so I was curious if you had any more with better angles. Don't sweat it. Oddly enough I went by the other forum and they had a thread going on barkie woods. Yeah, you probably have a point. Some of those woods are remarkable.

http://knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/829746/

Yeah, I just looked that over. There's even one with a nice "eye" in it. The amboyna appears to be one of the tightest and most consistent burls there.
 
Okay, at this point, I've got to assume that you are just wanting to gripe. It's been over 12 hours since you've started to raise a stink about some of the best folks in knifedom. I'll admit that you're other posts have been attention-getting in my book, too, so this doesn't surprise me. If I had a knife I wasn't happy with, I'd contact the maker and get it right. Then, you'd find out what great folks they are. You obviously would prefer to whine.

Since you won't let BRKT know about it, guess I'll shoot Mike a PT and let him know that you are over here airing it out. No company is perfect, and some things are obviously more acceptable in the realm of burls. You don't seem to get that, no matter how many people tell you, but that is your prerogative. Get yourself a new knife, by all means. But don't handle it like a child.
 
Okay, at this point, I've got to assume that you are just wanting to gripe. It's been over 12 hours since you've started to raise a stink about some of the best folks in knifedom. I'll admit that you're other posts have been attention-getting in my book, too, so this doesn't surprise me. If I had a knife I wasn't happy with, I'd contact the maker and get it right. Then, you'd find out what great folks they are. You obviously would prefer to whine.

Since you won't let BRKT know about it, guess I'll shoot Mike a PT and let him know that you are over here airing it out. No company is perfect, and some things are obviously more acceptable in the realm of burls. You don't seem to get that, no matter how many people tell you, but that is your prerogative. Get yourself a new knife, by all means. But don't handle it like a child.

At this point, I'm just responding to posts like yours. You just don't seem to get that some flaws are much worse than others; some are acceptable and some aren't. That's what is being discussed, at this point - not the company. However, it sounds like you choose to represent BRKT rather than discuss the actual quality and acceptability of the wood. It seems that many are saying it's not acceptable; one noted it should not have even left the factory like that. Maybe, they're just whining, too.

If you don't like that the thread continues, then why do you continue it? Of course, now you're attempting to personalize the issue and have even begun to throw out insults. Talk about acting like a child!

The knife goes back to the vendor, who didn't think it was acceptable, either; it's now between him and the manufacturer.
 
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Agreed.

That is Common on Natural Burls.

You probably should order Micarta.

Jim

Agreed. I have some weird stuff going on in burls that are absolutely gorgeous. It didn't make it "past" QC, it was sent out that way.

Micarta may be a safer bet.
 
Agreed. I have some weird stuff going on in burls that are absolutely gorgeous. It didn't make it "past" QC, it was sent out that way.

Micarta may be a safer bet.

Unfortunately, this is not gorgeous.

BTW, do you work there? If not, how would you know if something did or did not make it past QC?
 
I may be new here, but it seems arguing with you is like mud wrestling a pig. The more you do it, the more you enjoy it. Forget I said anything.
 
I may be new here, but it seems arguing with you is like mud wrestling a pig. The more you do it, the more you enjoy it. Forget I said anything.

I'm sure it must be difficult to argue with pictures. They speak for themselves.
 
So for example, there are HUGE flaws clearly visable in this handle, and it should have never made it past QA?QC?


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Clearly then this one is only good for firewood rather then a knife handle:

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That reminds me of a rifle stock I made.When I got close to finish dimensions a hole appeared ! I wasn't about to toss the stock but the hole had to be fixed.I used the old woodworkers method of taking sawdust from that stock , mixing it with Elmer's and filling the hole.Now it just looks like a natural defect , which it is, without the hole !
Highly figured wood such as burl can have various defects .Whether they are acceptable, can be repaired , or should be disguarded I guess is up to the maker and buyer.
 
Right on! Beautiful wood.

I will see you that burl handle and raise you one...

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Here is the one I made at the BRKT Grind In a couple weeks back...notice the aweful blemish in the handle...smack dab in the middle of it too...repulsive I tell ya.

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I may be new here, but it seems arguing with you is like mud wrestling a pig. The more you do it, the more you enjoy it. Forget I said anything.

nope, you're right on the button. He's aways right....:rolleyes:

It's better to just leave it alone and let him bitch.
 
Some people should stick to buying at knife shows, so that they can see what they're buying. That being said...

Halbie, I'm not representing BRKT, but it truly does seem that you'd rather complain to people that can't fix the problem.

Yes, I can see the crease in your burl. It is a matter of opinion whether that is a defect or a character mark. I'll admit that if I had gotten that particular handle, I might have been a bit put off at first as I can be a bit of a perfectionist myself. However, I wouldn't be complaining because I understand the nature of working with natural materials. And if it really put me off, I'd contact the maker to see if I could get something more to my liking instead of whining that it wasn't up to my expectations. Seriously, why haven't you taken up your complain with the man who can get you something more to your liking?

That's why I said what I said. Am I loyal to BRKT? Sure, but I have been on their forum for 2 years now and witnessed their excellent customer service skills. You aren't giving them the fair shake that they would gladly give to you. It's a courtesy thing, I guess. They really try to be courteous in a world that has forgotten how.
 
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