BRKT Boone II - Returned for Flaw

TwinBlade said:
Right on! Beautiful wood.

I will see you that burl handle and raise you one...

Here is the one I made at the BRKT Grind In a couple weeks back...notice the aweful blemish in the handle...smack dab in the middle of it too...repulsive I tell ya.
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None of the handles you just showed would be acceptable on custom knives, IMO....and I would pass those over for factory knives as well....for that reason I avoid CA buckeye burl, it is too inconsistent....I have exactly one piece in my collection.

While Mr. Halbie may be argumentative, and MAY have an agenda, the FLAW in the wood that he showed in his opening pic would bother me.

If a flawed piece of wood can be fixed via the crazy glue/sawdust method, that is fine...if it cannot and the flaw is still apparent, it is not acceptable.....I own 200+ custom knives and about 300+ factory knives...handled in afzelia lay, blackwood, canarywood.......micarta sometimes IS just the best option.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
STeven,

Some like the blemish as it's a natural part of the wood. Some don't.

Either way, the public outcry here was unecessary and THAT is what had the agenda, not his actual disssatisfaction. Note that he did not mention the seller's identity - just the brand. That alone tells me he is singling out the maker because of personal animosity, which is well-documented in public on other forums.
 
Brian Jones said:
STeven,

Either way, the public outcry here was unecessary and THAT is what had the agenda, not his actual disssatisfaction. Note that he did not mention the seller's identity - just the brand. That alone tells me he is singling out the maker because of personal animosity, which is well-documented in public on other forums.
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Brian,

Amigo, If a cutlery enthusiast is dragging venom from forum to forum for the sole purpose of slinging mud to a particular, and undeserving party....you know better than I that is a hanging offense.

I was just seeing the beginning of a ratpack for what I percieved an unjustified reason.....carry on with the hanging!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
i dont see a single thing wrong with that burl used. to me that mark adds character to the knife. i have some tiger maple with some blemish spots but i'm still going to use it for the same reason, it adds character.
 
My confusion comes from the fact that its wood... which by its nature is going to be un uniform. I have a lot of purdddy wood with all types of these 'blemishes'. Never thought much of it...

And things can be both common and unique: fingerprints, snowflakes, jerks, et cetera...
 
Whadda buncha crybabies! :D

No, what a bunch of psychoanalysts, second-guessing every motive. The man got a great knife but he also wanted a different grade of handle. Nothing wrong with the burl, but it's not on the level he'd hoped for. Dealing with an honest vendor, he was able to go for a replacement, no argument. That follows from what I know of Bark River and Mike Stewart and his dealers know he'll back them up.

So it could have ended there, as a notice that not every transaction is perfect but there is or should be recourse in case of dissatisfaction. That's something worth bringing up if only for the newbies, who may not know their rights. Who may not know how far a good dealer will go to make them happy.

By the way, given the contentiousness raised here, we do deserve to know who the dealer is. Not saying does make it look like a measure of vindictiveness could have informed the original post, -- which should not have been brought up by third parties, cross-forum.
 
Not good enough, send her back. Its a little odd though that it was aired in such a way.

Still, I find it interesting how you guys defend a product that is flawed saying it isnt. It should never have left the shop, or it should have been listed as a second. I know its a natural material, but this is why you pay more for it. I have seen perfect burls, why accept anything else?

The BRK&T fan club are as bad as the Strider boys sometimes.
 
Dinkum said:
Not good enough, send her back. Its a little odd though that it was aired in such a way.

Still, I find it interesting how you guys defend a product that is flawed saying it isnt. It should never have left the shop, or it should have been listed as a second. I know its a natural material, but this is why you pay more for it. I have seen perfect burls, why accept anything else?

The BRK&T fan club are as bad as the Strider boys sometimes.
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perhaps you and some other folks on here should read some of halbie's posts to Mike stewart on KF. Really? simply a matter of being upset. Doubt it.
 
Folks, lets try and keep this on topic.

Some of you may have issue with Halbie, but it is certainly his right to post here and express his disatisfaction with a knife he has purchased.

We only have seen pics of it, and have not seen it in person or held it like Halbie has. his judgement is the one that counts, since he is the one who paid for it.

Halbie, you should post who the dealer is, and if you are indeed dissatified, you should return it for a refund, or ask for another knife. Ideally this is done before posting in TGB&U, but ..........whatever.

Now, those of you who have personal issues with Halbie take it to the appropriate forum, and keep this on topic.
 
I have no issue with Halbie, had a few "interesting" conversations with him and walked away thinking his opinions to be "interesting" but to each their own.

But, I really hate the "I'm not happy with the situation even though the situation isn't yet resolved" threads.

Every company in history has made a questionable product at one point or another. Now, the quality of the Burl in question is subjective, I'd take it, but if Halbies not happy with it, thats his prerogative, but how thw company handles the situation is what's important.

Don't come on complaining about a product before customer service has a chance to make it right, especially in a situation where the QC issue is so subjective.
 
Is wood graded? I mean i keep hearing people say its bad its good its bad ad nausium, clearly with different products there are different expectations...

Are there any objective standards by which wood in the knifeworld is measured?

I mean im assuming you cant FEEL the blemmish and if there is a problem with the way the natural wood looks, shouldnt we be complaining to Mother Nature?

Or do they grade and does the knife manufacturer say youre only getting grades d-h?

Genuinely Curious,

Ahren
 
shotgunner11 said:
Don't come on complaining about a product before customer service has a chance to make it right, especially in a situation where the QC issue is so subjective.
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Exactly. Not happy? Contact the source, ask for satisfaction, THEN decide if you need to air it, now having all the facts and actions lined up.

sirahren said:
Are there any objective standards by which wood in the knifeworld is measured?
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Don't need objective standards unless you're buying a factory production line piece. Bark River makes a specialty, semi-custom line AND makes a point of tailoring its higher-end materials to the individual customer.

If somehow there's miscommunication as to what grade of material the customer expected, it's an easy trade or fix as far as BRK&T is concerned. If a customer is really tuned in to this, he can ask in advance for a particularly clean piece.
 
I am going to make one last point before I just watch and observe the last course this thread takes. There is 8,000 different ways a piece of burl can swirl...all within 1/4" of depth. You NEVER know what the burl will look like until it is in finished form. A supplier can say here is some green and gold maple burl. It may be so far from those colors after it is finished that you now have to add some creative color description to get it close to the way it looks. Now, for those that APPRECIATE the variations and swirls, the shading, the depth, the irregularities, the epoxy filled holes (hence stabilized...for strength) then it is simply a given that you accept the piece that comes in the box and go WOW, nice looking burl there. As for not getting the one in the picture, that is very very rare unless you are a 1 knife custom maker. A picture depicting how it MAY look is all you can do when you make 20 different "X" knife in Amboynia, maple, oak whatever. If you cannot resign yourself to the fact that you can open the box and appreciate a blemish given that burl is really a kind of warty, nasty, cancerous type of abnormality, then I say stick with Kraton, rubber or micarta. There will never be any pleasing in the long term.
 
TwinBlade said:
If you cannot resign yourself to the fact that you can open the box and appreciate a blemish given that burl is really a kind of warty, nasty, cancerous type of abnormality, then I say stick with Kraton, rubber or micarta. There will never be any pleasing in the long term.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I've got burl knives up the kazoo(maybe 50) and NONE of them have flaws as apparent as the pictures I saw posted here before.

Makers that work with me know I am willing to pay top dollar for the RIGHT stuff, and that includes spalted maple, BTW...but none with craters or cracks that are not pleasingly filled in.

Kraton sucks.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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