Brownie Popping a Knife?

Originally posted by brownie0486
It's not inertial. That would require movement on an arc.

I suppose it all depends on how you define it. It is inertial in the sense that it relies on the inertia of the blade rather than applying direct force against the blade.

Maybe we should refer to the traditional arc-swing method as centripetal instead of inertial?

--Bob Q
 
I've only been experimenting with the Brownie Pop for a few days, but I can certainly attest that it is a useful technique. It snaps the big blade on my Camillus CUDA Maxx Bowie open far faster than I can manage with the flipper. And I doubt the pounding will hurt it much, given the strength of the bladestops.

I also gave it a try with one of my Sifus. Wow! They were designed to open with this technique.

Smaller blades are definitely harder to pop, but I'm getting better. :)

--Bob Q
 
Originally posted by brownie0486
JamesA:

Once introduced to never never land of interspace it can be sent around the world in a few minutes, from there it can be diceminated to other less savory types in days.

No go. I'm ex LE and will continue to protect them against running into this when possible.

Brownie

While I understand the concern and I sympathize, I do not see this as more than a symbolic reason to not post the technique here. Kinda reminds me of the argument that the Brady law has "stopped thousands of felons from purchasing handguns." Well, NO, actually, it's just stopped them from purchasing handguns *at a dealer*. Those who are declined just go and get them elsewhere.

Along those lines, who is to say whether anyone here, to whom you *will* email the technique, is not a BG? Some among us may know each other in person (I'm confident of that), but if one person does this at a gun/knife show and a BG lurking at the show sees it done, the secret is no less out of the bag than if you had posted here. Plus, I really doubt that BGs are scouring this forum hoping to once in a great while learn anything that has a remote effect on their ability to perpetrate bad acts. It's just hardly likely, that's all. Most of this forum is just about knives, so a post about presenting a knife more quickly is like a needle in a haystack, and hardly worth their time trying to locate. Besides, if a BG needs a knife at the ready so quickly, he may just opt for a *fixed blade* in the first place. No issue there about quick opening.

And I sent an emailed request, because this has me wondering what you could possibly be talking about. And I offer my earnest word that I am NOT a "BG." :p

---Jeffrey
 
Originally posted by brownie0486
AlphalphaPB:

Shoot me an email

sph3ric pyramid: It's not inertial. That would require movement on an arc. The afck is a fast knife with the pop and no wrist flicking is involved. It works quite well with lockbacks as well but the linerlocks are easier as a rule as you stated.
Brownie

I can't wait to see this technique, because if it's not a force put on the blade (hole/stud/disc/whatever) and it's not inertial (flick with wrist or arm) then I find it hard to imagine WHAT it is... Willpower??

So far it sounds as though the knife just drops open when it clears one's pocket.

Is this technique specifically better for tip up or down? You mentioned the knife being naturally in the hand, and for that I tend to think of tip UP more than tip down. To me, tip down will always imply a repositioning of the knife once the hand has drawn it from the pocket.

---Jeffrey
 
peacefuljeffrey:

It's not something that will be picked up by anyone watching it done from the pocket. Others who have found their way with this would probably concur.

I just deleted four paragraphs relative your questions relative posting it here. Decided I need not explain it again to save bandwidth.

Brownie
 
Along those lines, who is to say whether anyone here, to whom you *will* email the technique,

Between the requests Brownie and I have received for his technique there have been a few that have not been "qualified" to receive it and therefore have not. The way Brownie has chosen to disseminate his information does eliminate at least some of the people he feels should not have this knowledge.


then I find it hard to imagine WHAT it is... Willpower??

It is called "the force". May the force be with you...(Sorry, I watched Star Wars with the kids last night!)
 
IMO, this technique (shaving milliseconds) wouldn't make any difference in the Vast Majority of LEO/BG edged weapons encounters.

If there IS such a technique that would make THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE in officer safety, it should not be disseminated to the general public to begin with. OR, only be shown/taught to someone IN PERSON after establishing good character.
 
Hi Brownie,

Does it make a difference when doing the Brownie Pop if you are using an AFCK axis lock vs. an AFCK with a liner lock?

Thanks,
Rich
 
Thanks to Brownie for the explanatory email. I have been practicing this opening and it is fast, definitely faster with blade-heavy knives (my MOD Hornet is wicked fast & fluid compared to my battered mini AFCK, and my Gerber AFF is simply insanely fast). It also feels slightly safer than a wave, in that there is no time at which the blade is open without the point being directed away from the body. However the instructions seem to indicate that, once out of the pocket, movement is required in only one direction in order to open the knife. I find that I must move the knife in two directions, forward then reverse. It's fast, but a single motion would be faster. Without discussing it in too much detail, is anyone here having successful unidirectional openings? Thanks - FF
 
I find that I must move the knife in two directions, forward then reverse.

Keep practicing fishface5, once you get used to it the blade will open with the knife moving in just one direction, toward the target.
 
If this technique is so close hold that it can never see the light of day, then I must say I will do without it.

I guess everyone who has contributed to improvised weapon threads, threads on consealed carry, draw stroke, edged weapon tatics for defense, discussion of close quarters combatives and any information that deals with defensive use of any tool had contributed to the criminal element's attacks on police officers.

I for one and saddened that you believe that sharing information publicly will result in a greater risk to police officers.

I would like to believe I have made some contributions in the tatical fourm and that I may have given some solid advice on at least something, and now, you have me thinking that should a thug read anything I have written, I have somehow contributed to injuring a police officer or possibly making his wife a widow.

If thats the case, we should close that tatical fourm, or couch all our advice their in the stupidest terms possible, or maybe let the uneducated trolls have that fourm to themselves.

I guess the PSP's and discussions on weapon access on Selfdefensefourms.com must give you the hives, because they are exactly the dangerous sorts of ideas that you are so greatly disturbed by when you think of them in the unregulated public's hands.

I do not see things the way you do. I see it as the criminals already know how to hide stuff, and present it in very fast and vicious ways. Its the good people here who do not routinely hurt or kill others that lack the pratical hands on experience that would benifit from information like you claim to offer being in public view.

By all means, hide your information from me. I don't want it. I would likley tell others on this and other fourms, and further endanger people who have given their service and lives to protect the public.

I don't think I could live with the results of diseminating such tightly held info if thats the effect.
 
Brownie:

Thanks for the email.

I was curious if you have any photos or other media of a brownie-pop (kinda story board or otherwise)?

While I've got a rough idea, I'm the kind of guy that had to be shown how to flip a ballisong, and anything to help me along would be apprecaited :D

Cheers
 
Mindz_I: Only a small segment of footage that was taken at a RI class in the recent past. I don't allow filming in the classes as a rule but he wanted the double pop for his website. I'm linked there for defensive knife training so I allowed the pop short clip. Not sure if he put it up on the website yet or not.

memnoch: The technique has seen the light of day for years, but not on an open board. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, and please keep in mind I did not at anytime ask people to request this. They read some of the threads and heard about the pop through the website knife testing where it was mentioned.

To my thinking, it is something I developed years ago for my own use. I can choose to share this with others or not. It's not something you can catch watching it being performed, much too fast for the eyes to see what the hands are doing. As I have disseminated this to others here, as well as students in the classes over the years, I believe I'm furthering the cause toward enlightenment of others including the actual defensive techniques which have brought novices to a level of acceptable proficiency where defense with a knife is concerned.

I have no control over information disseminated by others on open forums, nor do I care whether others post information that perhaps should not be released for various reasons.

Is it not my choice to whom I let this out to? I'm not sure it's anyones choice but mine concerning the dissemination of the technique.
It may be argued, as you have, that the BG's get enough of whats out there to not worry about something like this falling into the wrong hands. I can certainly relate to that and agree to some extent with that observation. In those instances, I am not the one disseminating the material. In this instance I am, and there is the difference. I could have chose to keep this from others completely and refused requests for an explanation entirely. I have not done that here. I have furthered others blade knowledge.

The criminals do not know how to perform this now and it is the goal to not let them in the future. Having been LE for 9 years I would not want the bangers to have this out on the streets enmasse as it then increases the threats to officers. I know this because I have worked the streets and there are enough threats out there now to officers without giving the BG's more advantage by my hands. Let me ask you this sir, do you work the streets day in and day out, facing the dangers from bangers on every corner? Do you face potential injuries and death at the hands of the sh%theads in inner cities routinely? Have you ever watched the prisoners practice knife/shiv in prisons?
I have, and I can tell you that this will not be in their bag of tricks through my doing.

fishface5: Keep practicing.

Rich357: I have no exsperience with the axis locks and so can not answer your question. The AFCK linerlock is extremely fast with this however.

Samuel: The life you save may be your own. Having worked the streets for years, I had this in my bag of tricks and counted on it's speed of deployment to save my butt. I could access the knives much faster than the carry firearm. If attacked by knife, my unarmed and knife skills would have been used until I created the time and distance needed to safely draw the firearm. So yes, the technique is something to be afraid of in the hands of a BG who would do you harm in lieu of arrest.

Do you practice presentation of your firearms so that you can draw and fire in shorter times when under threat? You may not but others certainly practice diligently at presentation times for a reason. Defensive presentation speed under attack not important? I know guys who practice with their gun of choice religiously to gain .20 seconds on their presentation of the weapon, they feel it is VERY important to be able to get their weapon of choice into play as soon as they recognize a threat. No different with the knives here.

As you state, it should not be disseminated to the general public. Others here feel it should be brought out to everyone. Somewhere in the middle is where I sit on this. Is that a bad thing?

Instead of people offering their opinions relative my not putting this out on the open forums, they could just not ask to know the technique and let others do as they wish as well. Many have responded with positive results at the increase of speed in presentation with their folders using the pop. Not everyone has been successful at this but then I did not expect that to be the case as the students have difficulty at times as well.

I'm sure the ones who have increased their presentation speed with this have appreciated learning something they did not have in their bag of tricks previously. I've taken my skills through years of training and practice and offered up a valid technique most have not seen or heard before. I have therefore increased their chances of survival if they ever need to get that blade into play to save their bacon. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so, and I don't think they would disagree with me.

Everyone have a good week.

Brownie
 
Brownie:

Cheers for the prompt reply :)

Do you have the segment of the video yourself (in digital etc) ? If so is their any chance of obtaining it ?

Sorry to pester you :)
 
Mindz_I:

I asked him for a copy of the segment on vhs but he does not have the correct equipment to convert it from the format he was using which was something I had not heard of before.

He was going to check and see if it could be converted and send it but I have not heard from him on this. It would not be something you could learn from as I was just popping them open and puttting them away one handed over and over while he rolled film.

Brownie
 
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