Bunny Knife 2022

r8shell said:
It would probably be for the best if this were handled behind the scenes, no publicly calling out posters that we don't think should qualify.
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I was thinking just about that. Maybe they should create a hidden thread for paid members only next time.

Quiet Quiet I get your point, all's fair. But let me put a remark about
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look just like you with an account with some age on it but like a couple hundred posts
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You say it like a couple hundred posts are just a couple posts. That's just the way I participate. Mostly read, only post when I actually have to say something and have a feeling that I should. I am not into photography, so not much pics posted, hence the inconspicuousness, I guess.

If a particular member don't come across another particular member's posts each and every day, that doesn't mean the latter is a stranger to the community. There is also no rule like "one should post every day to be considered a full-fledged member". Different people have different limits of time that they can spend online.

EDIT: And, I must say, different people feel differently about how big as a part of their lives BF (or any thing) is. Some people could even consider it a major one for their reasons (which I am aware of and perfectly understand). But what about others, like me, who like knives, love traditional knives, enjoy some forum time, but doesn't feel like sitting on BF all day long. Not an excuses, but explanations.

I actually thought to finally start taking pics to show in some threads, but now I guess I'll wait until the end of the annual knife event to not to be accused of posting only to increase my post rate.
 
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Alex.Y. said:
I was thinking just about that. Maybe they should create a hidden thread for paid members only next time.

Quiet Quiet I get your point, all's fair. But let me put a remark about

You say it like a couple hundred posts are just a couple posts. That's just the way I participate. Mostly read, only post when I actually have to say something and have a feeling that I should. I am not into photography, so not much pics posted, hence the inconspicuousness, I guess.

If a particular member don't come across another particular member's posts each and every day, that doesn't mean the latter is a stranger to the community. There is also no rule like "one should post every day to be considered a full-fledged member". Different people have different limits of time that they can spend online.

I actually thought to finally start taking pics to show in some threads, but now I guess I'll wait until the end of the annual knife event to not to be accused of posting only to increase my post rate.
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As I said, no offense meant, but a pattern does present itself. And when you go look at the post history of some of these guys, it's always just a bunch of posts in past years' Forum Knife discussion threads. There's nothing wrong with being a lurker, it only becomes an issue when lurkers attempt to portray themselves as participating members, which categorically they are not.

Also, I should point out, that it absolutely can mean that someone is a stranger to a community. While it's true that there are no rules about what constitutes becoming a full fledged member, I would argue that it's not difficult to come in for five, ten minutes a day, hell every other day even, and actually post up some commentary on a few threads on the Porch. See, that's the problem. It takes barely any time to become a member that others recognize, especially given how fast threads can move on the Porch (or any of several other sections). Many of us do it every day, and over time, have become known on this forum. So, arguments like yours tend not to hold water, and ultimately, they are the arguments we see made by people who don't visit Bladeforums until it's time to pretend you're a member in good standing so you can get in on that year's forum knife.

It's not hard nor time consuming to become part of a community. You just have to want to put in the effort. Many don't. They just want the benefits. 🤷

I would be the first to tell you that sharing pics of your knives would absolutely NOT be considered just posting to increase your rate, incidentally. If you've pics to share, I for one would love to see them.
 
No offense taken, just discussing.

You say
Quiet said:
lurkers attempt to portray themselves as participating members
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but you also say
Quiet said:
there are no rules about what constitutes becoming a full fledged member
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Exactly. So who is going to judge who is who? When I joined, nobody said "We expect this or that participation level from you". I (and everybody else, I guess) participate the way I see it.

So from all discussions I got that a member considered "participating" should have way more posts than me, way more years of membership, and a paid subscribtion as well. With all that I guess it is fairly easy to exclude the "wrong" people from the annual knife event by simply setting the higher eligibility conditions. And maybe a hidden thread. People seem (because we don't know the criteria yet) to handle it the same way they did last year and then wonder why they have the same problems of last year's event incoming.
 
Why is there a problem when it comes to being a paid member. Its a BLADEFORUMS knife. Its how this website stays up and running. If your willing to spend money on the forum knife but are unwilling to spend 10 dollars a year on supporting the forum with a basic membership, that raises an eyebrow. Just saying.
 
Alex.Y. said:
No offense taken, just discussing.

You say

but you also say

Exactly. So who is going to judge who is who? When I joined, nobody said "We expect this or that participation level from you". I (and everybody else, I guess) participate the way I see it.

So from all discussions I got that a member considered "participating" should have way more posts than me, way more years of membership, and a paid subscribtion as well. With all that I guess it is fairly easy to exclude the "wrong" people from the annual knife event by simply setting the higher eligibility conditions. And maybe a hidden thread. People seem (because we don't know the criteria yet) to handle it the same way they did last year and then wonder why they have the same problems of last year's event incoming.
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Honestly, it's just one of those things. I know that you are frustrated that the unspoken understanding of what constitutes a contributing member and what doesn't seem unclear. I get it. All I can tell you is this: don't worry about it. Stick around, jump into a discussion or two (or three!) and talk about knives with folks here on Bladeforums. Share some pics of your knives with us! Share your pride of ownership in them!

Then, at some point, you'll pass through the curtain, so to speak, and be one of us, and it will have happened organically.
 
ferider said:
I actually really like Plan B. Just saying.
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Quiet said:
Sign me up, I'd be first in line.
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The best think about them is we can all just order our own from the local Vic stockist! :D The 'engraving' is inexpensive, sometimes 'free'. No flippers because the knives won't appreciate in value ;) :thumbsup:
 
Jakeywax31 said:
Why is there a problem when it comes to being a paid member. Its a BLADEFORUMS knife. Its how this website stays up and running. If your willing to spend money on the forum knife but are unwilling to spend 10 dollars a year on supporting the forum with a basic membership, that raises an eyebrow. Just saying.
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As I said earlier, I would love to. But I can't pay via PP. I have a proxy who can though. If there is a possibility to get some kind of invoice from PP for paying for the membership so I can send it to my proxy, I would appreciate the info on how to get it. Or maybe I can pay an admin on his PP, and he will adjust my level accordingly? Sorry for the off topic, but as long as I was questioned that, could someone please guide me where I can get answers?
 
Alex.Y. said:
As I said earlier, I would love to. But I can't pay via PP. I have a proxy who can though. If there is a possibility to get some kind of invoice from PP for paying for the membership so I can send it to my proxy, I would appreciate the info on how to get it. Or maybe I can pay an admin on his PP, and he will adjust my level accordingly? Sorry for the off topic, but as long as I was questioned that, could someone please guide me where I can get answers?
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I don't think you need a PayPal account to pay for the membership. Scroll down and you can check out as a guest with "Pay with Debit or Credit Card" option.
 
Alex.Y. said:
As I said earlier, I would love to. But I can't pay via PP. I have a proxy who can though. If there is a possibility to get some kind of invoice from PP for paying for the membership so I can send it to my proxy, I would appreciate the info on how to get it. Or maybe I can pay an admin on his PP, and he will adjust my level accordingly? Sorry for the off topic, but as long as I was questioned that, could someone please guide me where I can get answers?
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Know what? Stand by.
 
Maybe: Pull the plug on this (Plan A). It’s tearing us apart! Oh, the humanity! Obviously, we can’t have nice things without bickering like children.

😫😩😢😭😖😡
 
jmgruber said:
I don't think you need a PayPal account to pay for the membership. Scroll down and you can check out as a guest with "Pay with Debit or Credit Card" option.
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Tried that, it doesn't work. Still asks me to create a PP account.
 
from what we’ve seen last year, most of the newcomers wouldn’t even be seen/heard if it was Plan B (and not a GEC), they wouldn’t sign up for sure.

but, it’s that time of the year for the porch‘s regular members. this is the process where regular members (paying or not) shouldn’t be elbowed out, imo. thanks
 
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Alex.Y. said:
You say it like a couple hundred posts are just a couple posts. That's just the way I participate. Mostly read, only post when I actually have to say something and have a feeling that I should. I am not into photography, so not much pics posted, hence the inconspicuousness, I guess.

If a particular member don't come across another particular member's posts each and every day, that doesn't mean the latter is a stranger to the community.
There is also no rule like "one should post every day to be considered a full-fledged member". Different people have different limits of time that they can spend online.
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Yep! This is the gatekeeping that seems to sit the most poorly with some folks cause they participate but just transparently at a (perceived) lower rate, and obviously way less than folks on here wracking up tens of thousands of posts in a few years, and I totally get it.

Every BF Knife thread should begin with:
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” -Abraham Lincoln
 
I had suggested forum knives be offered up to all members without all the stipulations, whoever wants one, claims one and pre-pays for the knife. Once the order is locked in, that’s it, one per customer. Whoever chooses to flip theirs, there will likely be less demand since it wasn’t limited to only select buyers. If that means it’s a run of 800 knives, we just need to give GEC a little more time to produce them. With more of them going around, it should help to drive down the secondary market.

Only other way to discourage or offset the flipping is to have another company other than GEC produce them.
 
I dont know if GEC would be up for it but wouldn't some sort of serial number be a good way of making sure this knife wasn't scalped freely?
If there was a way to track back to who the original owner was I think it would greatly dissuade any potential flipper.
 
coolhand68 said:
I had suggested forum knives be offered up to all members without all the stipulations, whoever wants one, claims one and pre-pays for the knife. Once the order is locked in, that’s it, one per customer. Whoever chooses to flip theirs, there will likely be less demand since it wasn’t limited to only select buyers. If that means it’s a run of 800 knives, we just need to give GEC a little more time to produce them. With more of them going around, it should help to drive down the secondary market.

Only other way to discourage or offset the flipping is to have another company other than GEC produce them.
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The issue with this plan is that there are only so many that GEC will commit to make for us. If they said "Hey man, we're good with making 2,500 Bladeforums Knives!" this wouldn't be an issue. In fact, that would actually hurt the flippers because then their resale value would be about as poor as the resale value on other large past runs (this would be great!). As an example of how large runs tanked the secondary price, you aren't going to be able to get $500 for one of the 2019 #97 knives, because they made something like 5,000 of those across a large number of different cover materials. Even the rare variants don't pull much on secondary. Those Remington Bullet knives they did a short while ago, where they made like 1,500 or more of those? When you see those for sale, the seller is usually asking what they went for new (which is fair, considering they finally all sold after several weeks, in a time when most GEC drops usually last seconds).

Contrast that with the Bladeforums 2019 #86 Rope Knife, where those get posted up (and SELL!!) for obscene money. I've seen them sell for $850+....with like 90 bids on Ebay. There were only like 350 of those.

OH! Forgot to add. Speaking of those #97s? It took GEC months to make all those knives, and their guys got burnt out on them according to Bill, and they made it clear that they weren't interested in doing runs that large again if they could help it.

So yeah, the idea that they'd make that many knives for us is a nonstarter. Incidentally, this tracks because most of their SFO/Club Knife orders tend to be much smaller. As an example, last year's run of 2021 Barlow #86 knives for us was a run of like 500. Contrast that with the 2021 SFO they did for AllAboutPocketKnives (another #86 pattern that shared the fluted bolsters ours hard, but the rest of the knife was different), there were only 100 of those made.
 
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