Button lock wear?

[Kmikaz3]

Don’t worry about retribution...you had a legitimate concern and just asked what other knife collectors and users thought. I never took your original post as anything but an honest question.
JH should get his own membership here. My thoughts only.

Thanks for your kind words! He should yes support BF too and reply here instead of sending passive aggressive email.

 

[Sharp & Fiery]

I know the « Titanium being stronger that Stainless Steel is false » but i was clueless and having to point that out in the email was kinda uncalled for and unnecessary imo.

I would say pointing it out is fine. It’s the WAY he pointed it out that rubs me the wrong way.
Don’t overthink it man. You’re all good in my books.

 

[evilgreg]

That email wouldn't make me want to keep the knife, or buy any others from that maker either. It's your money, of course, but if I were in your shoes I'd return it.

I have a pile of button lock knives with nary a scratch on their button locks, a bunch of them hard firing autos.

There are plenty of fish in the sea, as they say.

 

[Kmikaz3]

That email wouldn't make me want to keep the knife, or buy any others from that maker either. It's your money, of course, but if I were in your shoes I'd return it.

I have a pile of button lock knives with nary a scratch on their button locks, a bunch of them hard firing autos.

There are plenty of fish in the sea, as they say.

I already packed up ready to send it back.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I appreciate OP starting this thread, Hoback's email makes it a very easy call to avoid any of his products in the future.

 

[RealVendetta]

I appreciate OP starting this thread, Hoback's email makes it a very easy call to avoid any of his products in the future.

This is very much how I feel too.

 

[Sharp & Fiery]

I appreciate OP starting this thread, Hoback's email makes it a very easy call to avoid any of his products in the future.

This is very much how I feel too.

Unfortunately, I have this same feeling.

 

[Kmikaz3]

He wanted me to post the email... for « good » press

 

[The_Knife_Man]

 

[brownshoe]

Wow a knifemaker who doesn't know how to join a forum.

Wow a maker who would authorize posting a private email in a dispute about quality.

The knife works. I'd use it until it doesn't work anymore. Then I wouldn't worry, I'd send it in to be fixed. If customs takes it you learned a lesson about being Canadian. It's just a knife and you certainly have more.

 

[Kmikaz3]

Wow a knifemaker who doesn't know how to join a forum.

Wow a maker who would authorize posting a private email in a dispute about quality.

The knife works. I'd use it until it doesn't work anymore. Then I wouldn't worry, I'd send it in to be fixed. If customs takes it you learned a lesson about being Canadian. It's just a knife and you certainly have more.

Ill avoid the hassle while i can from customs stealing my knife by sending this back while the return window is still open.

sorry for being canadian... eh?

 

[000Robert]

Wow a knifemaker who doesn't know how to join a forum.

Wow a maker who would authorize posting a private email in a dispute about quality.

The knife works. I'd use it until it doesn't work anymore. Then I wouldn't worry, I'd send it in to be fixed. If customs takes it you learned a lesson about being Canadian. It's just a knife and you certainly have more.

According to the poll it's a $550 knife. Must be nice to be able to throw $550 away.

 

[The_Knife_Man]

sorry for being canadian... eh?

Lmfao

I know it's sarcasm. But only a Canadian would apologize for their citizenship.

 

[unwisefool]

If customs takes it you learned a lesson about being Canadian. It's just a knife and you certainly have more.

A) I hope you are joking about the Canadian part.
B) do you have $500 to throw away on a knife that might get seized?

 

[Sanchez]

FYI its not the “perfect” button!
It’s a bad choice to go with 17-4ph. Even more of a bad choice to call out h1100 heat treat. He could have chosen h900 and gotten up to 40Rc but thats still too soft imo. It should be somewhere between 45-51Rc. 416 or 420ss would be a much better choice! It helps to remember that the Rockwell hardness scale is exponential, not linear, so going from 34rc to 35rc is no where near going from 54 to 55

 

[brownshoe]

A) I hope you are joking about the Canadian part.
B) do you have $500 to throw away on a knife that might get seized?

A) Sorry, what i mean is that most Canadians know the rules w/o needing to be taught them by Customs. B) If I lived in Canada I'd buy $450 knives made in Canada or knives I know can cross the border for repair.

Right now the knife is fully functional. No need to cross a border.

Plus it's not rational for anyone in the 21st century to not be able to join BF. It's not rational for a businessman to give permission for emails to be published by a complaintant. Smells like fish bait...

 

[MarkN86]

I see what he is saying, but something is out of spec, whether or not it inhibits function. I can almost guarantee that over time that will cause problems, if just opening and closing does that I would hate to see what using it does.

A knife of this price should be dang near perfect. People have gotten too comfortable shelling out $500+ for a knife and just dealing with whatever issues they have. We should demand problems be made right.

 

[soc_monki]

I may not be a knife maker, but I agree that the button is too soft. If a material is too hard and the lock slips because of it then redesign the interface so it doesn't slip. Using a soft part to counteract slippage seems like a recipe for a part that will fail prematurely, even under very little stress. Seems like it would cause lockup issues, blade play, etc.

I do agree that titanium would be a bad choice for that part, but I think even titanium is higher hrc than the part as it is so would hold up better. Might cause lock stick though, like the titanium stop pin I put in my Para 3. Never again! Bad choice for that part. As is the titanium axis bar on the Bugout...

Oh well. Use it and abuse it and see what happens, or send it back and get an Anthem that doesn't seem to have these troubles. I'd go Anthem.

 

[Kmikaz3]

A) Sorry, what i mean is that most Canadians know the rules w/o needing to be taught them by Customs. B) If I lived in Canada I'd buy $450 knives made in Canada or knives I know can cross the border for repair.

Right now the knife is fully functional. No need to cross a border.

Plus it's not rational for anyone in the 21st century to not be able to join BF. It's not rational for a businessman to give permission for emails to be published by a complaintant. Smells like fish bait...

A) Sorry, what i mean is that most Canadians know the rules w/o needing to be taught them by Customs. B) If I lived in Canada I'd buy $450 knives made in Canada or knives I know can cross the border for repair.

Right now the knife is fully functional. No need to cross a border.

Plus it's not rational for anyone in the 21st century to not be able to join BF. It's not rational for a businessman to give permission for emails to be published by a complaintant. Smells like fish bait...

Im sorry that you thought this was illegitimate. But here the screenshots... Secondly, this knife was bought inland from a canadian dealer. Thirdly, when i shelled out $550 usd which was roughly $700+ CAD, i would expected to be near perfection... even though if Jake says it perfectly fine to use, my other button locks doesn’t exhibit this kind of behaviour which make me really uncomfortable to use..





If you still thought that this is dubious, i don’t know what to say. Im not that kind of guy that seeks attention or want to be in the spotlight, im mostly to enjoy my knife and folks here. But if the maker want this to be posted, ill be inclined and do as he wish. But anyway, if i don’t he will try to login and post it on his own account anyway, or so it’s what he say

edit: edited some typos

 

[spoonrobot]

So I would say you should get between 20,000-50,000 locking cycles.

This seems really low?