can someone explain to me why there is a maxpedition boycott?

[Cliff Stamp]

Thompson has gone so far as to use his catalog to try to discredit Strider Knives IIRC.

Specifically by name? Can you see this online or is it just in print?

-Cliff

 

[jstandridge]

Cold Steel article

http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/csstoreonline/Karambit.pdf



-john out

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Thanks, I didn't see Strider mentioned there by name, and it didn't turn up in a search. Strider isn't the only maker offering that design, and people have had severe adverse opinions on it long before Strider was making knives.

Way back on Knifeforms for example, before Bladeforums, USN, etc., McClung would tear into that design for similar reasons as Thompson uses. So this isn't about Strider, they just don't like that design.

There are lots of people of course who do like the design, Chas Clements for one advocates it fairly positively.

-Cliff

 

[Thomas Linton]

If you refer to the bit denouncing "high speed operators" with "fearsome logos" and a "couple" of knives on their table, I cannot see how that would apply to Strider. You tell us.

 

[BrandonLeeMcKinley]

Thanks, I didn't see Strider mentioned there by name, and it didn't turn up in a search. Strider isn't the only maker offering that design, and people have had severe adverse opinions on it long before Strider was making knives.

Way back on Knifeforms for example, before Bladeforums, USN, etc., McClung would tear into that design for similar reasons as Thompson uses. So this isn't about Strider, they just don't like that design.

There are lots of people of course who do like the design, Chas Clements for one advocates it fairly positively.

-Cliff

Cliff you missed the Low Points quotes..... not by name but..... you can see what he was talking about...

 

[Cliff Stamp]

That isn't just a restriction to Strider, that kind of contention has always existed, there are those that will radically hype any military connection either in their own background, designers, or just users, and those that feel very strongly against doing so, not just Thompson.

Now you can argue that it is jealosy on the part of the detractors, however this really doesn't hold. There are likely more Cold Steel blades in military use than high end customs simply considering the price point, and the really low end Ka-Bars even more so.

I do feel though if you are going to make such statement you should name the people, and I don't pay attention to anyone being so vague.

-Cliff

 

[GigOne]

Out of respect for him and his service, I don't want to him to feel like he has to defend his record of service. No Veteran who served Honorably should have to. I called him a pogue when he was getting on my nerves. I wasn't questioning his MOS, just saying he was sounding like one. I apologize for that, especially if he was/is combat arms.

Nor will I defend the time that I served and what I did when I served. Clearly, this is a knife forum and not a place to whip out our masculinity so that others can make a size comparison. Of course, those rules don’t apply to W&C.

For those that aren’t familiar with the term pogue it’s the same thing as a REMF (rear echelon MF’ers). It’s a very derogatory phrase that some apply to our service brothers and sisters that aren’t within several feet of gunfire. Yet, there are many, who served in “combat” AFSC’s, MOS’s, and Ratings that were never within a thousand miles of gunfire. Go figure.

But let’s look at the word pogue. The definition above doesn’t quite describe or do justice as to what a pogue really is.

It may come as a surprise to some, but only a relatively small percentage of my brothers in arms, serving in any conflict are/were actually “in-theater" serving in “combat” occupations.

However, in any form of conflict, it doesn’t really matter what your job is or your rank, anybody can die or be put in a position where they have to kill. A case in point is Iraq. Quite a few support personnel, such as truck drivers, mechanics, etc. have been killed and are actually throwing lead down range at bad guys.

Much of the public, and many “veterans” as well, grossly underestimate the scope and importance of the contributions made by the so-called "pogue." As they said, they’re only " in the rear with the gear." But, no war can ever be waged without the vast support machinery of supply, ordinance, vehicle and aircraft maintenance, construction, engineering, transportation, medical and intelligence personnel - all of the men and women who were "stuck in the rear - with the gear." And it’s also a fact, many of these so called “pogues,” like so many of our brothers under direct fire, made that ultimate sacrifice in service of our nation, even in those supposedly "safe" rear positions.

What many fail to appreciate, regardless of degree of personal risk involved, the conflicts that we’ve been involved in have had a tremendous impact and took a great emotional toll on ALL who served in it.

Here are borebrush's “pogues.”

They are men and women. They are pilots, truck drivers, aircraft mechanics, engineers, radar technicians, and aircraft armament specialists. They are supply clerks and weather forecasters. They are doctors, nurses, and medics. They are communications personnel, interpreters, and intelligence analysts. Christ, and many other occupations too numerous to list.

They are members of all services, proud swabbies, zoomies, grunts, and jarheads. Some repair and arm the planes that fly interdiction missions, or bombing missions or the combat support missions over hundreds of remote places. Some serve on the ships, manning the radar or launching the planes against enemy targets. Some fly humanitarian missions to drop supplies to indigenous peoples.

Some spend endless days in mind-numbing toil, tending, and performing triage on the stream of wounded and maimed, returning from fields of battle. Some sit in a windowless box in a remote radio compound in the boonies, surrounded by chain link and razor wire, or in an orbiting cargo aircraft over some God forsaken country. They spend their shifts tuning a radio dial, headphones clamped on, secretly eavesdropping on enemy communications - ever vigilant, always hoping to intercept that one piece of intelligence that could make the difference in a battle or in the war and perhaps help to save lives. And yes, some spend their days in an office fighting the unrelenting boredom, pounding on a typewriter, performing a job that was very unglamorous, but very necessary.

Every conflict touches each of its participants in profound ways, whether they were "in the sh*t" or relegated to the "rear." They are ALL part of those conflicts, and will always be an indelible part of each person. Ask any man or woman who has been there, in whatever capacity, and they will tell you they will remember the events that took place in their tours to the day they die. And it mattered not what roles they played. Simply, those times have left its mark on each person.

Even the service of the so-called “pogue” requires a commitment to duty, dedication to country, and a degree of self-sacrifice that many are unwilling to make.

When it comes down to the final straw, all of us simply went where we were told, and we carried out a myriad of disparate duties with dedication and professionalism. In one way or another, all of them were of vital importance to the effort. If it were not so, we would not have been there.

May God bless every single one who was/is a part of that brave majority (the so-called "pogues") and those in the minority (the "non-pogues")! They have earned and rightfully deserve all the honor and appreciation we can possibly bestow on them. "Pogue and non-pouge" - many of them made the ultimate sacrifice for our country.


I will tell you that I possessed a combat AFSC and deployed more times than I would have liked to. I also have a sh*t load of decorations, plaques, certificates, etc., to hang on a wall, yet they reside in boxes in the attic. I’ve deployed to over 100 countries, some of those actions were highly published and many you’ll never – ever know about. What does that mean? Not a God dayum thing.

Even though I held a combat AFSC, I sometimes sat behind a desk writing performance reports, decorations, and disciplinary action. I compiled budgets, counseled troops and their wives, and performed a myriad of administrative duties that was or wasn’t associated with my “combat AFSC.”

So I guess you could say I was a part-time pogue.

I enlisted to serve my country. Not to wear it as a badge of courage as if it were a chip on my shoulder. I didn’t enlist to garner pats on the back or to use it as bragging rights. . .as some do.

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I wasn't questioning his MOS, just saying he was sounding like one.

Quite the turn from claiming that I’m a “fukking wannabe smartass,” or “Yeah they tend to get butthurt when you call them by their given names.."


Interesting. I guess that it depends on what forum face one has on. Are you a Native American ? I’ve never seen someone shift shape so much !



Oh, I’m sure that those that have and are serving greatly appreciate your characterization of them.

 

[BrandonLeeMcKinley]

Interesting. I guess that it depends on what forum face one has on. Are you a Native American ? I’ve never seen someone shift shape so much !



Oh, I’m sure that those that have and are serving greatly appreciate your characterization of them.

As I am only part Native American I am wondering what you mean by the above question?

 

[m1marty]

.....followed with "So put that in your pipe and smoke it"
LMAO! The only exception I take to your well thought out post is the lumping of "Engineers" into the pouge category. This may be true for the 99% of Engineers out there, but the Combat Engineer is a whole 'nuther animal.
J/K bud and thanks for what you did.

 

[BrandonLeeMcKinley]

Besides you Native American question, I thought your post was very topic specific; even if there was a little condescending tone to it. I wonder if you were an officer..... not that it matters we all have our stories to tell whether we do it here, there, or elsewhere. W&C seems to disappear from my browser so I may see ya there or I may not..... this was fun all the same. Well sad, disgusting, and funny maybe, but I guess fun would be in the eye of the beholder.

 

[nyeti]

For what its worth, I have nothing but the highest respect for ANYONE who served in the military. As Gig so eloquently pointed out that it takes a team to run a war. From a personal stand point, I only take issue with those who talk a whole bunch of junk about subjects they know nothing about. It is what I have to deal with regularly in my work environment, as well as on many of the forums related to weapons of any kind, as these are a magnet for the dorks.

 

[Tony C2]

If you refer to the bit denouncing "high speed operators" with "fearsome logos" and a "couple" of knives on their table, I cannot see how that would apply to Strider. You tell us.

How about striped blades and paracord wrapped handles? Does that sound like Strider to you?

Somebody tell me again what is this thread accomplishing?

 

[Thomas Linton]

How about striped blades and paracord wrapped handles? Does that sound like Strider to you?

Remember I asked for insight.

But since you ask, no, that 2003 statement by Thompson does not sound like Strider, the person or the company. MANY makers are turning out knives that, to be kind, are "in the style of" Strider fixed-blades - paracord, stripes, and all. Does Strider show up at a show with only a "couple" of blades? You tell me. Furthermore, Strider did serve in a Ranger unit, so the description of a wannabe does not fit. Nor is the Strider logo "fearsome" -- no screaming skulls or blood-dripping blades -- actually pretty dignified, wouldn't you say? Furthermore, the blast at wannabe commandos was made in 2003. Looking at TF, that seems to be pre-war. But hey, context is all -- or you're working too hard to be offended.

Somebody tell me again what is this thread accomplishing?

No knockout, but Strider seems to have won every round on points by a clear margin.

 

[Tony C2]

I here what you are saying but when you look at all the background info and know some other stuff that went on it becomes clear what Crudsteel was trying to do.

This thread isn't accomplishing anything but division. Should have been locked a long time ago. Too much drama :barf:

Mick Strider was a winner long before this thread started. All of this crap is just more cross forum bashing.

 

[GigOne]

As I am only part Native American I am wondering what you mean by the above question?

Induldge me. What part would that be? Leg? Arm? Shoulders? Most describe their ancestry by percentage. For example, I’m ¼ (that’s 25%) Cherokee.

That question wasn’t directed toward you. Unless you’re also borebrush.

But, considering that you’re “part Native American,” then you should understand what I mean by “shift shape.” It’s also called, “shape shifting.”

. . . .I thought your post was very topic specific. . . .

It was meant that way. And your point?

. . .even if there was a little condescending tone to it.

LMAO


You didn’t get it, did you?

I wonder if you were an officer..... not that it matters. . . .

If it doesn’t matter, why ask?


To satisfy your curiosity. . . . .no.

W&C seems to disappear from my browser so I may see ya there or I may not..... this was fun all the same.

Contrary to what you and the “Aug 05 crews” believe, that forum isn’t locked down to anyone.

 

[m1marty]

Gig- here I am trying to help you out and you get into the "phraisioligy" and fancy werd kick again. Didn't you know this will distance you from any and all likeness of borebrush?

 

[atlasfields]

This thread has got to be headed into the record books. And to think, the question was answered at least five or six pages ago.

 

[BrandonLeeMcKinley]

Induldge me. What part would that be? Leg? Arm? Shoulders? Most describe their ancestry by percentage. For example, I’m ¼ (that’s 25%) Cherokee.
That question wasn’t directed toward you. Unless you’re also borebrush.
But, considering that you’re “part Native American,” then you should understand what I mean by “shift shape.” It’s also called, “shape shifting.”
It was meant that way. And your point?
LMAO
You didn’t get it, did you?
If it doesn’t matter, why ask?
To satisfy your curiosity. . . . .no.
Contrary to what you and the “Aug 05 crews” believe, that forum isn’t locked down to anyone.

Eyes actually... hopefully you are indulged.

I too am a 1/4 Cherokee.... Again no I am not borebrush.... nor his girlfriend. I grasp your meaning of shape shift..... My point was that it was nicely written and it was unfortunate that it had to be condescending... and yes I got it.

As for the "Aug 05 Crew" if you go back to some my earlier posts here in this megalosaurian thread you will see that I said I have been here for quite some time and you can see how long that is by doing a search for "Brandon McKinley" Same person and I have been here for awhile. Just can't seem to remember that password and it is linked to an e-mail I don't have anymore.....

It may have been a browser issue as I am on a Macintosh running Safari 2.0 but yesterday it was not there for me in the pull down.

I am also glad you signed up over at The Badlands.... this makes you a part of the family..... Disagreeable and surly..... but apart of our dysfunctional family all the same so while I have yet to see you post over there; or maybe you "shape-shifted", which ever, on the outside chance that I missed saying this to you..... Welcome to The Badlands..... Enjoy.

 

[GigOne]

As for the "Aug 05 Crew" if you go back to some my earlier posts here in this megalosaurian thread you will see that I said I have been here for quite some time and you can see how long that is by doing a search for "Brandon McKinley" Same person and I have been here for awhile. Just can't seem to remember that password and it is linked to an e-mail I don't have anymore.....

I know that you've been here for awhile. That's why I stated, ". . . .you and the Aug 05" crew."

I am also glad you signed up over at The Badlands.... this makes you a part of the family..... Disagreeable and surly..... but apart of our dysfunctional family all the same so while I have yet to see you post over there; or maybe you "shape-shifted", which ever, on the outside chance that I missed saying this to you..... Welcome to The Badlands..... Enjoy.

I signed up some time ago looking for specific knives to covet. Unfortunately, priorities in life don't allow me very many luxuries (i.e., frequenting and posting on all of the forums that I'm registered at).

Disagreeable and surly ? I'm a pretty nice guy, sometimes. Just don't ask anyone here for verification. All the bastid's here. . . .lie about me.

 

[BrandonLeeMcKinley]

Kinda like me being an A$$Hat sometime we all gotta wear our individual BS wear....