can someone explain to me why there is a maxpedition boycott?

RWS said:
Just so you people can see who your dealing with, here's a picture of me taken about three weeks ago.

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This is my last post in this thread. Adios, my fellow, and female type, knife collectors!

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You're a little better looking than I thought. :thumbup:
 
Firecap said:
roughedges, I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with that post. I couldn't have said it any better myself. Except for the part about not liking Strider knives. But to each his own. I can appreciate that!! :thumbup:
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oh, it wouldn't be fair of me to say I don't like strider knives- I've never used one to evaluate it. And besides, there are plenty of people here whose opinion I trust that say they are the baddest tactical knives around. I figure that has to count for a lot.

I just don't like the looks of most tactical knives these days. The "tactical look" I guess. It is just an aesthetic thing. I don't doubt the quality for a second and am sure I could even come to like the look after using one awhile.

I respect Mick Strider more for having his past (both honorable and otherwise)and doing what he has done with his life since then; Lord knows I have my own share of skeletons too. So, personally for me, McClung and et. al.'s attemted smear campaign has entirely backfired. I would sooner buy 100 pakistani knock offs then I would one MD. Heck, if I had the cash on hand I would already have a Strider knife on its way so that I could, in my own small way, "vote with my feet".
 
roughedges said:
I spent maybe 3 days browsing and watching at Tac forums. I have never in my life seen a moderator (and owner of the forum) start so much crap, do so much backpedalling, lock so many threads and edit so many posts all in the span of just a few days.
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It's amazing, isn't it?
That farce-of-a-forum is like his own personal soap-box.

I only went there after I asked myself why there's a Maxpedition boycott.
(To get both sides, you know.)

The experience made me appreciate Bladeforums even more.

Please don't assume that everyone who is sceptical about Strider is one of Mad Dog's poodles.
 
It would be nice to see some civility in the discussion , a few " elder statesmen have spoken " to the main points . I can understand the outpouring of support for Mick , and the justified anger . I have a hard time understanding the Vitrol from the other side .

As another poster said , there is a lot of money at stake in the arena . The time is long past when either Cold Steel or Mad Dog were considered desirable gear .

I hope McClungs claims about his CV are untrue , if true they would be a powerfull argument for cutting funding for some much needed CIA programs .

The info is on the table .make your own descisions , and let this thing die already .

Chris
 
nyeti said:
In the case of Mick, I knew he went to jail, and didn't feel it was neccesary to drag his name through the mud.
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I don't think it is necessary for people who have gone to prison to wear a big red sign on them for the rest of their life (you can make a case for repeats), however there is a fairly large difference between being in jail or serving overseas in special op's missions. That is a far bigger difference for example than McClung's 5 to 2 year period as a "professional soldier", did he ever specifically state it was combat related?

While much of what has been said about Strider is petty (the whole is not a Ranger arguement) there are a few valid points, the problem is McClung and company drown out their own facts and ignore anything which weakens the arguement such as Mick status among what they would consider actual Rangers which you would think would be kind of important, more so than the label applied by a complete outsider.

His own status or lack of, also isn't overly relevant and it doesn't make your arguement in general look better when you resort to the same thing that you are arguing against. Yeah McClung can spin some tales, but does that change the fact that Strider edited their website in responce to the "investigation" and in particular removed references to special ops labels. Where did the information that Buck uses to promote thier knives come from?

I have the sources available to check the stuff if you want to provide proof of any of the above claims.
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You have emails from McClung stating that the bio was a true account? You can find for example people who state similar about Mick, that he told them directly he was a sniper for example, see a recent thread in the custom forum.

McClung on the other hand does nothing but crap on everyone and has in print slammed the great forgers of the knife world, and criticized some of the foremost heat treaters.
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If you check around you can find lots of people who will make similar critisms, just not in public, so I think McClung deserves credit there. He also praises a lot of makers knives as well, including several forgers like Tai Goo. The way to deal with such statements would be to refute the logic and data he uses, critising him for making the statements only reinforces their substance.

-Cliff
 
I for one am amused to see how both sides more or less, are coming to an agreement over how wee-todd-did the tacforums are.


Oh considering the subjects at the center of arguement, I need to make a correction to prevent any and all misunderstandings about my record of service. Brandon made a comment refering to my combat service, which I have none. I don't have a CAR. Then again I don't have ribbons for alot of the stuff I did do, oh well I didn't join for shiney stuff. I am a veteran of the Clinton Military though :rolleyes: So I have guarded expensive stuff, stupid stuff, and even a blown up ship, all the while we weren't allowed to shoot back :mad: . About my pogue comment, well I just callem as I see'm. I hope he didn't experiance any negative heart problems over my glib remark.

***I believe his misstatement stemmed from me being activated late last year, but I never deployed due to my contract ending. I didn't have enough time left on the clock (ECC) to deploy again.

Thx for gettin my back Brandon! You make all the gurls jealous, the way you look out for your b!tches! :D


Frank-H... Don't sweat James, hes just making light of a situation that many are sick of. Unlike others, he gets amusement out of making jokes, not pissing people off like some do.
 
Hey Cliff, nice to have a rational discussion. Thank you for the points.

First, on Mick, he has been very quiet over the years on almost anything background related. I can guarantee that the guy talking about Mick being a sniper had him and Duane confussed. I have attended more than my share of shows with the Strider guys and can generally be found at the Strider or Emerson booth at most of them. I have never heard MIck ever say a thing about being a sniper to anyone. Duane has, and I believe Duane's background is factual. Both Mick and Duane are very knowledgeable on a lot of subjects related to the field, and I am sure they got that knowledge somewhere. I will stand by my comments on Duane. In regards to Mick, I was given third party info a long time ago about Mick that I took to be true. It was also related to a time prior to Mick going to prison. Part of the problem with a lot of this is that Mick and Duane are two seperate folks who often get lunked together as one entity. Keep in mind that this whole character assasination thing started with Duane first and it backfired on the person who started it. Same arguments, Duane wasn't a Marine, Duane wasn't a sniper, Duane was a convicted felon, it isn't Duane's real name......blah, blah. If you know anything about dealing with folks who walk in the circle of people I do, you don't ask for specific details. It is just the way it is, and the "tell me about what kind of stuff you did" pegs the pogue meter in that world.

It is kind of like the "have you ever shot anybody" question I field all the time in my line of work. It is not something you really want to talk about unless it is to discussing training or some other relevent factor.

Most folks who have done positive things in the real world also don't like any discussion on details like when or where. I learned long ago from one of my best friends that those kind of discussions can bring old enemies home (this is the reason a bunch of people I know have more than one name, and why it is a faux pax to mention that kind of thing on the internet along with posting their family's address).

I don't care if Kevin is critical of other peoples work, my point was that the knife community I love has generally been much more cordial and not mean spirited, of course that was prior to the internet forums.
 
nyeti said:
Mick, he has been very quiet over the years on almost anything background related.
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Yeah, that would fit well with his general personality on the forums. The most I recall is him noting he had been in firefights in the context of choosing ammunition, and noting similar in regards to edged weapons confrontations.

Keep in mind that this whole character assasination thing ...
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McClung makes the arguement this is for the good of mankind, but if this were really the case I think more effort would have been put into the research by contacting the magazines, manufacturers, and as well Strider (both guys), and get their perspective, as well as the people in the military who they served with to get their viewpoint on the whole ranger / not ranger aspect.

I would assume if someone was about to put out a similar campain against McClung (which would not be difficult) he would appreciate the ability to respond to it and clarify/correct before it was made public, plus as well appreciate the discussion in a forum where those attacking him didn't aggressively mod it. McClung however rarely moves off his forums for fairly obvious reasons.

-Cliff
 
borebrush said:
About my pogue comment, well I just callem as I see'm. I hope he didn't experiance any negative heart problems over my glib remark.
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And now with this crap again. What exactly did you see to justify that remark? If Gig chooses to, he can expand on this, if not....I'll leave it at he is the LAST person around that could ever be called a pogue.
*Just doing my part to make sure no unwarranted internet smear campaigns happen to my friends. :rolleyes:
 
At the risk of seeming like an idiot, what the heck is a pogue. I can't find the word in any dictionary and all I know is the band.
 
Keith- "Pogue", at least to me, is one of the worst things you can call a soldier. The "Rated PG" explanation is someone who shirks his job, lives in the rear and is basicly a fat slob who can't hack. Also see "REMF". Not a nice thing to say to a field troop and will get the fists swinging quicker than just about anything else (at least in my unit, unless it is good natured joking).
HTH.
 
m1marty said:
And now with this crap again. What exactly did you see to justify that remark? If Gig chooses to, he can expand on this, if not....I'll leave it at he is the LAST person around that could ever be called a pogue.
*Just doing my part to make sure no unwarranted internet smear campaigns happen to my friends. :rolleyes:
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Please allow me to squash this. When I posted that response it was after I was gone for a day (sicker than a dog). I was not trying to rehash or stir it back up. Let me expound on what I meant when I first dropped the P-bomb. I was referring to his perceived attitude and an arrogant air to his posts. When POGUE or Pog (personel other than grunt) is used its is more commonly referring to an attitude or MO. It's not uncommon to hear one grunt refer to another as one when they are at odds or disagree. For the record he wasn't being exactly polite with myself, or others he was in disagreement with. Ew! big deal I called him the p-word... :eek:

Out of respect for him and his service, I don't want to him to feel like he has to defend his record of service. No Veteran who served Honorably should have to. I called him a pogue when he was getting on my nerves. I wasn't questioning his MOS, just saying he was sounding like one. I apologize for that, especially if he was/is combat arms.

smear campaign? puhhhleeeeze... I fling poo, I don't waste time smearing it :D
 
BB- whatever works for you. Like I said in my first two posts on the subject, I'm just defending a friend. Kinda like some folks going ballistic with the rest of this thread. "Ew! I called him the p-word"......something like "Ew! I called him the convicted F-word" Six in one hand, half dozen the other. I don't have a dog in the whole Strider deal, but my sticking up for a friend is the same as y'all. For the record, I like Strider knives. ;)
 
Other uses of pogue are to describe admin folks who talk a big game about what a bad ass they are, but in truth push a desk. It is also commonly used around the show circuit to describe someone posing as a knowledgeable individual with a bunch of b.s. stories. Picture the guy in the full camo gear who is in no way associated with any organization that would wear BDU's, and then asks a lot of inappropriate questions or fiegns knowledge based on stuff learned on the internet or from books and magazines.

I actually was accused of being an "admin pogue" once on the internet. It was truely funny. You can call me a lot of things, but "admin" doesn't fit.

I have decided how to solve this whole thing. I recant my article from years ago. Mick and Duane were never in the military, never involved in martial arts, and know nothing about any military type activites. See, everything is all good and nothing has changed about their abilities to make knives and run a successful business. :)
 
Okay. So I have formulated no less than 8 responses here.... all of which I have hit the delete button on becuase I promised I would not take up any more bandwidth here and have asked people that are CONCERNED about this matter to email me directly.

To date?

No emails.

What does that tell you?

People here don't give a rats ass about the truth.

They don't want to take it "behind the scenes" and find out what might be what.... they just want a moment in the public spot-light to spew.

Spew on. Motiviation here becomes transperant quickly. You all don't want to KNOW what the truth is. You just want the momentary spotlight of this imaginary 20/20.

It's a faulty 20/20 to say the least. EVERYONE here has come clean except the accusor.

What a damn joke.

Thank you to BF for letting this play out as long as it has. I feel bad for all the resources it has taken up. But that was your call.

m1
 
It seems to me that there hasn't been a lot of people smearing Mick Strider here. A couple maybe, but most of the smearing was done elsewhere or on Mad Dog's forum. I doubt very many people with any experience in the knife world take much said on that forum very seriously. KM's reputation precedes him.

The biggest back and forth here on this thread seems to have to do with some people having a bigger problem with Mr. Strider's criminal history. Does this surprise anyone? Mick Strider will have to deal with that for the rest of his life and is probably used to it by now. Strider's friends have come on here and defended him, which is admirable Since when has that changed anybody else's opinion in cases like this though?

Some people see Mick Strider as a felon and always will.

Some people see Mick Strider as a stand up guy and a friend.

People from both sides admire his knives. Other people on both sides don't care for them perhaps.

For the Friends of Mick- good on you for standing up for your buddy. I would do the same for my friends. Don't expect everyone to be as forgiving as you are.

For the Felons are alwasy Felons group- I can see where you are coming from, but obviously (from this thread) not everyone operates on the same model.

Not everyone uses the same criteria for judging others, but we all judge people in our own way. It is IMPOSSIBLE for human beings to not make some sort of judgement, minor or major, in regards to other people.

I'm very surprised though at how little heat Lynn Thompson is receiving here. Thompson has gone so far as to use his catalog to try to discredit Strider Knives IIRC. After 19 pages of this I still don't know what Maxpedition has to do with this or why they got involved. I guess it just depends on who you are friends with. Maybe it has something to do with SOE and Strider sharing space once upon a time.

To recap:

1. It was wrong for Mick Strider to carjack somebody years ago. Nobody is denying that. Some people care more than others.
2. It was wrong for Thompson, McClung et al to try to smear their competitor in this way. Their motivations are obviously self serving. Why else would they do it? Patriotism? Honesty? People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
3. It is right for people to defend their friends.
4. Not everyone feels felons should be forgiven, and some people disagree with that.
5. I can't say that it was right or wrong for Mick Strider to not disclose his past. I can't say that I would have, and I find it hard to believe that anybody else would either. It's not like he was pedalling his biography. Ahem.
 
Nobody mentions lynn thompson because he doesnt matter in the serious world of knives. He and cold steel knives are just that punch line in a few jokes.
maxpedition was one of a group of at least 4 that hired someone to gather information on Mick and Duane.

To me, the real issue is WHY they gathered and sent out and released this information.
It wasnt to warn people that Mick is a bad person.
It wasnt to let people know they should lock their car doors.
It wasnt for any good reason.
It wasnt for the public good.

It was strictly done by a few people jealous of the success of Strider knives, jealous that almost every month Strider knives are on at least one magazine cover, and envious of how much money they perceive that Strider makes.

They thought it would be the downfall of Strider knives.
They were wrong.
 
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