Bad Caution dealing with member Knives&More

[SpyderPhreak]

Everyone member on Bladeforums matters here. They are all important as they help Bladeforums and the health of the knife community. I have been an avid outdoorsman from the beginning so I care just as much. That comment of yours shows ignorance. The only thing you are achieving is discrediting yourself.

Let me clarify that; if a member doesn't care about the community, I would posit that they don't matter. I do not believe that all BF members matter, as there are more than a few who are here for no other reason than to scam, cheat, and lie. You're telling me those BF members matter? (That's rhetorical, surely you don't think so.)

 

[McFeeli]

"Or did you actually USE the knife, and had to disassemble it to clean it and hide that fact too? Have you done this on all the knives you've sold here? Serious question..."

That's speculation. The very definition of speculation, actually. I have no skin in the game, but you are trashing the kid pretty bad. Yes, I agree he should have disclosed he disassembled the knife, that's been established. And I'm not defending him either, I just think it looks like it's gone far enough, your thread, your decision. But since I'm a member I have the privilege to post on it.

I also consider that last comment about the "ones who matter" a pretty terrible thing to say about a forum that's supposed to be a open place for people who love knives to converse with others who share their enthusiasm for the hobby. I'm relatively new still, especially compared to some of the other members here, so does that mean you have more right to this site than I do? I'm a nonpaying member, though I try my best to contribute to the betterment of the forum, but maybe that's not even enough to "matter".

Again, he did something wrong, you called him out on it. Now he knows, yet you just keep poking, and poking because he "may"(speculation again) have stretched the truth on a detail on his profile. Obviously I'm a moonwalking cowboy, and there's a million and one other Ranger's and Samurai's on this forum, maybe they just matter more..

 

[SpyderPhreak]

Thank you! I will ensure to mark it as such from now on. However, it was not made clear to me. The knife was never used to cut anything, never ever carried. I do have a question though. Why is taking off the scales and cleaning inside any different than actually using/carrying the knife? Thanks!

The difference is that when you take the scales off more often then not you just voided the warranty. Carrying it or cutting with it still keeps the warranty intact.

Good catch! I obviously missed his stealth edit earlier. Thanks for pointing that out (I had stated the same thing earlier, but he obviously missed it).

 

[craytab]

The difference is that when you take the scales off more often then not you just voided the warranty. Carrying it or cutting with it still keeps the warranty intact.

For the knife in question this is not true.

Warranty only applies to the original owner anyways. So when you sell it to anyone, it is automatically not under warranty.

And neither is this.

Benchmade will warranty a knife that has been disassembled correctly, even by the non-original owner.

Please don't spread missinformation.

 

[NCCNC]

Warranty only applies to the original owner anyways. So when you sell it to anyone, it is automatically not under warranty.

Benchmade has always honored their warrany, even on knives I have purchased secondhand for regular wear issues like omega springs. However, I sent a knife in that I jacked up the blade tang on while I had it disassembled, and they referred to this portion of their warranty

"DISASSEMBLY OF THE KNIFE BY ANYONE OTHER THAN BENCHMADE'S OWN WARRANTY DEPARTMENT WILL VOID WARRANTY. NO EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE."

I paid for a new blade but they still helped me.

So....the buyer would have been able to use benchmades warranty IF it hadn't been taken apart, which it was......even though it was listed as LNIB.

 

[Stutary12]

"Or did you actually USE the knife, and had to disassemble it to clean it and hide that fact too? Have you done this on all the knives you've sold here? Serious question..."

That's speculation. The very definition of speculation, actually. I have no skin in the game, but you are trashing the kid pretty bad. Yes, I agree he should have disclosed he disassembled the knife, that's been established. And I'm not defending him either, I just think it looks like it's gone far enough, your thread, your decision. But since I'm a member I have the privilege to post on it.

I also consider that last comment about the "ones who matter" a pretty terrible thing to say about a forum that's supposed to be a open place for people who love knives to converse with others who share their enthusiasm for the hobby. I'm relatively new still, especially compared to some of the other members here, so does that mean you have more right to this site than I do? I'm a nonpaying member, though I try my best to contribute to the betterment of the forum, but maybe that's not even enough to "matter".

Again, he did something wrong, you called him out on it. Now he knows, yet you just keep poking, and poking because he "may"(speculation again) have stretched the truth on a detail on his profile. Obviously I'm a moonwalking cowboy, and there's a million and one other Ranger's and Samurai's on this forum, maybe they just matter more..

I couldn't agree more. McFeeli (love the name) has it spot on.

 

[craytab]

"Or did you actually USE the knife, and had to disassemble it to clean it and hide that fact too? Have you done this on all the knives you've sold here? Serious question..."

That's speculation. The very definition of speculation, actually. I have no skin in the game, but you are trashing the kid pretty bad. Yes, I agree he should have disclosed he disassembled the knife, that's been established. And I'm not defending him either, I just think it looks like it's gone far enough, your thread, your decision. But since I'm a member I have the privilege to post on it.

I also consider that last comment about the "ones who matter" a pretty terrible thing to say about a forum that's supposed to be a open place for people who love knives to converse with others who share their enthusiasm for the hobby. I'm relatively new still, especially compared to some of the other members here, so does that mean you have more right to this site than I do? I'm a nonpaying member, though I try my best to contribute to the betterment of the forum, but maybe that's not even enough to "matter".

Again, he did something wrong, you called him out on it. Now he knows, yet you just keep poking, and poking because he "may"(speculation again) have stretched the truth on a detail on his profile. Obviously I'm a moonwalking cowboy, and there's a million and one other Ranger's and Samurai's on this forum, maybe they just matter more..

Nope. Spyder is right. This new guy made the ridiculous statement that all bf members matter. That is just not true at all. Why do you think folks get banned? The are unwanted here.

Tons of missinformation being spread tonight.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

"Or did you actually USE the knife, and had to disassemble it to clean it and hide that fact too? Have you done this on all the knives you've sold here? Serious question..."

That's speculation. The very definition of speculation, actually. I have no skin in the game, but you are trashing the kid pretty bad. Yes, I agree he should have disclosed he disassembled the knife, that's been established. And I'm not defending him either, I just think it looks like it's gone far enough, your thread, your decision. But since I'm a member I have the privilege to post on it.

It's not, actually. It's a very direct question. If I had stated, "I think you actually USED the knife, and then had to disassemble it to clean it and are trying to hide that fact." That would be speculation.

I also consider that last comment about the "ones who matter" a pretty terrible thing to say about a forum that's supposed to be a open place for people who love knives to converse with others who share their enthusiasm for the hobby. I'm relatively new still, especially compared to some of the other members here, so does that mean you have more right to this site than I do? I'm a nonpaying member, though I try my best to contribute to the betterment of the forum, but maybe that's not even enough to "matter".

You're reading it wrong, see my clarification directly above your response.

Again, he did something wrong, you called him out on it. Now he knows, yet you just keep poking, and poking because he "may"(speculation again) have stretched the truth on a detail on his profile. Obviously I'm a moonwalking cowboy, and there's a million and one other Ranger's and Samurai's on this forum, maybe they just matter more..

Stretching the truth is lying, plain and simple. He also stated that he's in law enforcement. I don't know what to believe, and if he's lying about one of those items, than I would speculate it would not be a stretch that he might have lied about other things. THAT matters!

 

[NCCNC]

It's not, actually. It's a very direct question. If I had stated, "I think you actually USED the knife, and then had to disassemble it to clean it and are trying to hide that fact." That would be speculation.



You're reading it wrong, see my clarification directly above your response.



Stretching the truth is lying, plain and simple. He also stated that he's in law enforcement. I don't know what to believe, and if he's lying about one of those items, than I would speculate it would not be a stretch that he might have lied about other things. THAT matters!

I doubt he will be back to clear up that LEO remark.

 

[Stutary12]

I have to agree with McFeeli. Also you would likely be able to see if the knife was used, I tend to agree that it was a mistake. He handled it by removing the post and responding to your post that he disassembled it and would upload new pics.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

I doubt he will be back to clear up that LEO remark.

I doubt it as well.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

I have to agree with McFeeli. Also you would likely be able to see if the knife was used, I tend to agree that it was a mistake. He handled it by removing the post and responding to your post that he disassembled it and would upload new pics.

He handled it fine, initially. But then he responded like this to my simple advice that he should disclose that the knife had been disassembled:

I opened the Bugout only to better clean inside the knife and oil the pivot well as it wasn't as smooth as I'd like. I forgot to put two screws back in for the picture. You are acting like I am trying to trying to screw someone over. I have 8 positive reviews for a reason and use Paypal G&S so buyers are protected. In addition, I would take back any knife if at any point someone was unhappy. I would never misrepresent a knife. Should I report to you everytime I touched the knife too haha. All the knives were appropriately labeled. According to your definitions of NIB and LNIB, none of those exist on this site as people have tweaked pivots, stropped blades, custom pocket clips, and ultimately handled the knife for a picture. It sounds like you just like to complain about everything.

That's where I started to take issue. I never accused him of that, he brought it up first. Getting defensive like that made him look guilty of exactly that claim.

 

[NCCNC]

I have to agree with McFeeli. Also you would likely be able to see if the knife was used, I tend to agree that it was a mistake. He handled it by removing the post and responding to your post that he disassembled it and would upload new pics.

I know you haven't been here very long, but the longer you stick around, the more you will be able to see that you many times, will not be able to "see" that a knife has been used, and are relying heavily on the honesty of the seller. I have several blades that have been used many times to scale and gut fish, but clean up to look just like new.

 

[Vaporstang]

I have to agree with McFeeli. Also you would likely be able to see if the knife was used, I tend to agree that it was a mistake. He handled it by removing the post and responding to your post that he disassembled it and would upload new pics.

Not necessarily. I don't understand why you would say that. Many times yes, many times no.

 

[Stutary12]

Not necessarily. I don't understand why you would say that. Many times yes, many times no.

I am referring to the fact this was a mistake. You'd be able to tell if he was using the knife by the blade, whether it was Benchmades factory edge, if it had signs of wear, etc. If 8 people gave positive feedback, it is highly unlikely he is doing anything to them.

 

[McFeeli]

I didn't see the clarification until after I posted, though I will say it sure seems to me like you slammed into reverse to reiterate what you actually "meant"(speculation, I know).

Going off the context from the post in question did not read like that all. I saw issue with it so I spoke my piece. I'm not trying to argue with either of you, and I'm not going to. That's how I read it. So I'll leave it at that. I'm not saying I'm right, as I could very well be wrong. Who knows maybe my reading comprehension went the way of the Dodo.

 

[Stutary12]

I didn't see the clarification until after I posted, though I will say it sure seems to me like you slammed into reverse to reiterate what you actually "meant"(speculation, I know).

Going off the context from the post in question did not read like that all. I saw issue with it so I spoke my piece. I'm not trying to argue with either of you, and I'm not going to. That's how I read it. So I'll leave it at that. I'm not saying I'm right, as I could very well be wrong. Who knows maybe my reading comprehension went the way of the Dodo.

I read it the same way as you. It didn't come off very well.

 

[Lapedog]

I agree with the term being over used but who are we to say how something is defined. We should all give better descriptions but to open a can of worms in the thread isn't something I agree with.

LNIB is a vague term. However as vague as it is disassembling the knife is clearly not LNIB.

I understand the temptation. People are worried that if they say they took the knife apart the buyer will assume the worst and that a ham fisted job was done. If the buyer starts asking for a huge discount because it was disassembled just tell them that the knife received no damage from disassembly. Nk screws were stripped etc. (If that’s the case)

If the buyer has an issue with that then move on to another buyer.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

I didn't see the clarification until after I posted, though I will say it sure seems to me like you slammed into reverse to reiterate what you actually "meant"(speculation, I know).

Going off the context from the post in question did not read like that all. I saw issue with it so I spoke my piece. I'm not trying to argue with either of you, and I'm not going to. That's how I read it. So I'll leave it at that. I'm not saying I'm right, as I could very well be wrong. Who knows maybe my reading comprehension went the way of the Dodo.

I read it the same way as you. It didn't come off very well.

I see how it could be interpreted that way. Those that know me here would back me up that I did not mean it that way at all.

 

[Vaporstang]

I am referring to the fact this was a mistake. You'd be able to tell if he was using the knife by the blade, whether it was Benchmades factory edge, if it had signs of wear, etc. If 8 people gave positive feedback, it is highly unlikely he is doing anything to them.

And I am saying you might not be able to tell that there were signs of wear on a factory edge, Benchmade or other. Also, there have been people with much more than 8 positive feedback that have had issues here.