Bad Caution dealing with member Knives&More

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Well in any case Spyderphreak, it looks like you dodged a bullet. There are a few guys seeing "his side," but obviously he doesn't want to chime in to dispel any question about his honesty or credibility, which speaks in itself. Hopefully future prospective buyers will see this.
 
Stutary12 said:
I am referring to the fact this was a mistake. You'd be able to tell if he was using the knife by the blade, whether it was Benchmades factory edge, if it had signs of wear, etc. If 8 people gave positive feedback, it is highly unlikely he is doing anything to them.
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8 is really not that much. We've seen before where people with good trade ratings all of a sudden just take a U-turn in the honesty lane.

And there are lots of folks that like to say they are "in law-enforcement" when in fact they work somewhere as a lab assistant or clerk or dude answering the phone. I knew one guy who told everyone he was in the FBI and wore the hat around so he could hit on women, but in reality he was a contractor doing some minor accounting. Needless to say that got shut down real quick
 
Lapedog said:
LNIB is a vague term. However as vague as it is disassembling the knife is clearly not LNIB.

I understand the temptation. People are worried that if they say they took the knife apart the buyer will assume the worst and that a ham fisted job was done. If the buyer starts asking for a huge discount because it was disassembled just tell them that the knife received no damage from disassembly. Nk screws were stripped etc. (If that’s the case)

If the buyer has an issue with that then move on to another buyer.
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It's funny, you want to know the real irony here? Had he stated something to that effect in the initial post, I probably would have made the purchase, as his price was pretty good! Frankly, I don't worry too much about warranties as the only reason I'd really need it would be if the Omega spring broke, but even then, I can make my own. This could have gone SO differently...

NCCNC said:
Well in any case Spyderphreak, it looks like you dodged a bullet. There are a few guys seeing "his side," but obviously he doesn't want to chime in to dispel any question about his honesty or credibility, which speaks in itself. Hopefully future prospective buyers will see this.
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Which is the exact reason I started the thread! :thumbsup:
 
Guy tries to sell knife as "LNIB" that is actually MISSING SCREWS...

Then edits out the part saying that he had to clean said "LNIB" knife...

Then claims he's in "law enforcement", yet won't respond to multiple requests for clarification vis á vis his apparent age?

Another new guy strolls in, and begins defending him vehemently?

You both smell like rotten fish from the same IP...
 
Man is it snowing here in July. When did your occupation become something that you have to prove to random internet folks of bladeforums or any forum. Benchmade doesn't care if you dissasemble knives i have sent in with custom scales ect. For the record, i dont care for either party here. Dude made a mistake and gave a smart ass reply so you come on here and start a 5 page thread of nothing but smart ass righteous indignation thread. Who cares. Dude made a mistake and you have really ran it into the ground. 20180715_001334.png
 
Stutary12 said:
This will not continue!
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....this is about the funniest thing I have read on this forum in years... sorry....but you nor I nor 99.99% of the membership of this forum dictates what will or will not continue. Has this rolled along too long....yeah pretty much but only the Admin/Mod Staff here get to rule on will or not go on. I would argue however that sometimes such threads a GREAT learning tools (beyond the initial issue) of who and who not to enter into business with.
 
Andy the Aussie said:
....this is about the funniest thing I have read on this forum in years... sorry....but you nor I nor 99.99% of the membership of this forum dictates what will or will not continue. Has this rolled along too long....yeah pretty much but only the Admin/Mod Staff here get to rule on will or not go on. I would argue however that sometimes such threads a GREAT learning tools (beyond the initial issue) of who and who not to enter into business with.
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Don't forget me! :p I can lock this whenever I please. ;)
 
Andy the Aussie said:
....this is about the funniest thing I have read on this forum in years... sorry....but you nor I nor 99.99% of the membership of this forum dictates what will or will not continue. Has this rolled along too long....yeah pretty much but only the Admin/Mod Staff here get to rule on will or not go on. I would argue however that sometimes such threads a GREAT learning tools (beyond the initial issue) of who and who not to enter into business with.
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Agreed......but I do get a major kick out of ‘hall monitor’ members trying to restore order to a bunch of big meanies.
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This will not continue!!! STFU.
 
I think one point missing here is that if Spyderphreak didn't pint this out to Knives&more then someone would have received a LNIB knife with half its screws missing. THIS is why disassembling a knife makes it used. Stuff happens in disassembly (stripped screws, broken loctite, crossthreadung, wrong torque, missing screws, etc).
 
mattmanyam said:
Another new guy strolls in, and begins defending him vehemently?

You both smell like rotten fish from the same IP...
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bingo

Goose 7279 said:
Man is it snowing here in July. When did your occupation become something that you have to prove to random internet folks of bladeforums or any forum. Benchmade doesn't care if you dissasemble knives i have sent in with custom scales ect. For the record, i dont care for either party here. Dude made a mistake and gave a smart ass reply so you come on here and start a 5 page thread of nothing but smart ass righteous indignation thread. Who cares. Dude made a mistake and you have really ran it into the ground. View attachment 946093
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Careful who you defend and who you go after. Things aren't always what they seem. And you must see the irony in going after another member for going after another member, who actually did something wrong, with an insulting meme.

Macchina said:
I think one point missing here is that if Spyderphreak didn't pint this out to Knives&more then someone would have received a LNIB knife with half its screws missing. THIS is why disassembling a knife makes it used. Stuff happens in disassembly (stripped screws, broken loctite, crossthreadung, wrong torque, missing screws, etc).
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Exactly. If he didn't notice to put the screws in after disassembly, what are the chances he would have remembered before shipping it off. This is besides the whole nondisclosure thing.
 
Stutary12 said:
Warranty only applies to the original owner anyways. So when you sell it to anyone, it is automatically not under warranty.
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I'm on page 3. Calling it now, @Stutary12 is in some way related to @Knives&More

I think the whole thing is pretty ridiculous. Generally, if a knife was taken apart you should say so. I'd assume it was not taken apart if advertised as LNiB. That said, I have been sold knives that had been taken apart as LNiB and it's turned out fine.

Just describe your knife fully if you're selling it.
 
The guy said he took them out prior to pictures. They doesn’t mean he would receive what’s in the pictures and is most likely why he took them down. But that’s not why it’s in GBU.

They disaggreed about their perspective of LNIB and that’s the only discussion here. Everyone has different views of LNIB so as a caution you should always ask what the knife has been through and see if it fits your standards of LNIB.

If it’s been disassembled I think it depends on the brand. I’m not sure about benchmade but Spyderco has a warranty that says if it’s been disassembled and reassembled properly the knife is still in good enough condition to have a warranty. Does that mean LNIB? Depends on your standards but anytime someone posts LNIB you should ask about it’s history.
 
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JackTheKnifeGuy said:
His standards of LNIB are fine with me and are probably fine with lots of people. Maybe not all, but lots.
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LNIB is a vague term, but should come with full disclosure as to disassembly or anything else. I have used the term before, but that is the beginning of a description not the end. The use of the term argument is over (IMO) when screws are missing . I can't see anyone properly referring to that as LNIB. I would also be concerned about the proper assembly if the person forgot or loss screws. That is beyond stretch and in the class of NIB stuck in a tree. In both cases you have passed any proper use of the terms.
 
You can definitely tell who the seasoned members are in this thread. For anyone thinking SpyderPhreak SpyderPhreak was jumping the gun, go read the stickies in this forum and the content. It all starts out in an innocent manner.
The feedback IMO, now-a-days isn't as important as being a contributing member with participation in other forums besides B/S/T.
Sometimes, how a person responds to feedback defines their colors. People are ignored because what should have been a simple solution turns into a 4 page needless thread.
 
McFeeli said:
"Or did you actually USE the knife, and had to disassemble it to clean it and hide that fact too? :eek: Have you done this on all the knives you've sold here? Serious question..."

That's speculation. The very definition of speculation, actually. I have no skin in the game, but you are trashing the kid pretty bad. Yes, I agree he should have disclosed he disassembled the knife, that's been established. And I'm not defending him either, I just think it looks like it's gone far enough, your thread, your decision. But since I'm a member I have the privilege to post on it.

I also consider that last comment about the "ones who matter" a pretty terrible thing to say about a forum that's supposed to be a open place for people who love knives to converse with others who share their enthusiasm for the hobby. I'm relatively new still, especially compared to some of the other members here, so does that mean you have more right to this site than I do? I'm a nonpaying member, though I try my best to contribute to the betterment of the forum, but maybe that's not even enough to "matter".

Again, he did something wrong, you called him out on it. Now he knows, yet you just keep poking, and poking because he "may"(speculation again) have stretched the truth on a detail on his profile. Obviously I'm a moonwalking cowboy, and there's a million and one other Ranger's and Samurai's on this forum, maybe they just matter more..
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Goose 7279 said:
Man is it snowing here in July. When did your occupation become something that you have to prove to random internet folks of bladeforums or any forum. Benchmade doesn't care if you dissasemble knives i have sent in with custom scales ect. For the record, i dont care for either party here. Dude made a mistake and gave a smart ass reply so you come on here and start a 5 page thread of nothing but smart ass righteous indignation thread. Who cares. Dude made a mistake and you have really ran it into the ground. View attachment 946093
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Contrary to what you two believe, these kind of threads in GBU are actually good for sorting the wheat from the chaff.

8 transactions are not a whole lot. We've seen scammers in for the long con with way more positive feedback.

Sometimes there is stuff going on below the surface and people can be more devious, than you give them credit for....or not.

Wouldnt you guys wake up with eggs on your faces, if there was more to this, than what is apparent from just a glance.

LNIB with missing screws and needing to be cleaned. A 18 yrs old LEO.
Really.
 
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