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You did watch that video I assume. Did you do same what Noss4 did at third video in about 8 minute?
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Chris Reeve Destrution Test On Youtube?
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You did watch that video I assume. Did you do same what Noss4 did at third video in about 8 minute?
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No I didn't watch the whole video. My time is too precious to waste.
I'm just telling you about my personal experience of batoning my knife through hard wood in order to make a camp fire, a task which it handled to my satisfaction.
I have therefore 'tested' the knife myself and it performed perfectly well. Of course, my test was done with the object of making a fire in mind, not to destroy the knife.
Whatever Noss does in his test (I have a pretty good idea of what is involved from reading these threads) has no relevance to my own personal requirements of the knife.
BTW here is the knife... you can see where the coating was removed as it went through the wood.
I'm just telling you about my personal experience of batoning my knife through hard wood in order to make a camp fire, a task which it handled to my satisfaction.
I have therefore 'tested' the knife myself and it performed perfectly well. Of course, my test was done with the object of making a fire in mind, not to destroy the knife.
Whatever Noss does in his test (I have a pretty good idea of what is involved from reading these threads) has no relevance to my own personal requirements of the knife.
BTW here is the knife... you can see where the coating was removed as it went through the wood.
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That's what Noss does. In case you missed it, in fact you did, as you say you don't watch the videos - Noss also batons with wood.
So I ask again, what are we doing with 1/4" thick knives for cutting. Thicker blade stock reduces cutting ability and increase material cost, shop time, and labor.
purposely tries to break the knife - these are destruction tests... it's kind of the point
:thumbup: Putting thick tactical knives like the CRK Project I into cutting tests against knives actually designed only for cutting is not going to look pretty. The thick tactical knives would be completely destroyed by knives costing only a fraction of their price. Here in Scandinavia you can buy a knife that outcuts such thick tactical knives easily for the price of a cup of coffee and a donut.
Fact remains: thick knives aren't designed only for cutting. If they were designed solely for cutting tasks, they would be thinner. Well, I'll soften my statement a little. It could be that even thick tactical knives are designed only for cutting. But if that is the case, then the designs are simply atrociously bad.
I do so wonder why some are working very hard not to answer this question about cutting performance and blade thickness and geometry in general.
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Well, the Project I is designed for cutting and chopping, and I would imagine that batoning is part of the chopping process and a thick spine is a definite benefit in this regard. It all depends what you are cutting. In the field, there are not so many delicate tasks, but I believe the P1 is adequate for MOST tasks. But I would battle to carve a spoon with it, for sure.
But even in the back country I would have a SAK on hand for that sort of task. And by the same token I wouldn't baton with a SAK (tried it once with a OHT, buggered up the lock tolerance). The right tool for the job...
But even in the back country I would have a SAK on hand for that sort of task. And by the same token I wouldn't baton with a SAK (tried it once with a OHT, buggered up the lock tolerance). The right tool for the job...
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This is rediqulos! I have no time to waste to read your posts - how about that?
If you join discussion about tests on video can you please at least check what are you talking about and watch this video. Especially if I point you at exatc point where it happen - third clip, 8 min you do not need to "waste" you valuable time.
You have time to dismiss this tests without even look at them.
You are wasting our time!
Thanks, Vassili.
P.S. I guess this is common here - people start yelling and crying about some fictional knife smasher based on just "Destruction test" name and no one ever see those videos!
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I found this quite interesting.
http://www.barkriverknives.com/docs/batoning.pdf
Yes, the article states that any knife can easily be broken with improper batoning technique. Theoretically, the CRK knives should do just fine if you always baton correctly.
The article mentions several knives made of A-2 (BRK) that broke easily while batoning (wood on wood). Many people have said that because Noss hit the knife with a hammer, it was destructive. According to this article, it doesn't matter what you baton with, if you do it improperly the knife will break.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Noss always batons improperly. Yes, it's possible that some knives go through the wood batoning part without being hit in the wrong way, but once you get to the cement the forces inflicted are much greater, and if the knife is going to snap by batoning it will.
http://www.barkriverknives.com/docs/batoning.pdf
Yes, the article states that any knife can easily be broken with improper batoning technique. Theoretically, the CRK knives should do just fine if you always baton correctly.
The article mentions several knives made of A-2 (BRK) that broke easily while batoning (wood on wood). Many people have said that because Noss hit the knife with a hammer, it was destructive. According to this article, it doesn't matter what you baton with, if you do it improperly the knife will break.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Noss always batons improperly. Yes, it's possible that some knives go through the wood batoning part without being hit in the wrong way, but once you get to the cement the forces inflicted are much greater, and if the knife is going to snap by batoning it will.
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Well if you read that article to see what is right way to baton and watch Noss4 video to check how he actually baton 2x4 - it is absolutely clear that he doing this right way - exactly as it is on page 5 of that article.
So you do not need to go limb - just compare this article with video - it is simple, even it take some effort it is minimal, I did it in few minutes.
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So, is it a "tactical" knife for "tactical" uses? Or is it a "cutting" tool for "cutting?"
Stop crying, the knife broke, 2 of them. So the question remains;
$10 = http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/LargeImage.aspx?sku=DBA-443
$300= http://knives.cx/store/images/CRK_PROJECT1.jpg:eek:
Just because you are stupid and selfish and a democrat, does not make you right. BUT, you are free to love any blade you wish! I love Helle knives, but I know and understand they are not "hard use" blades so they would not stand up to any serious abuse.
(( Insults like this are for trolling, not discussing. Don't do it. ))
Wait, they are not advertised as "rough use blades", so I guess I cant make that comparison.
You spent $300+ on a VERY nice looking knife that is good for cutting, and light baton work. That is fine. Good job. I personally like the knives, a lot. BUT when I hit the back country and I can not bring, axes, saws, small blades, medium blades, large blades, chainsaw, ice auger, sledgehammer, I will bring a Busse.
Stop crying, the knife broke, 2 of them. So the question remains;
$10 = http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/LargeImage.aspx?sku=DBA-443
$300= http://knives.cx/store/images/CRK_PROJECT1.jpg:eek:
(( Insults like this are for trolling, not discussing. Don't do it. ))
Wait, they are not advertised as "rough use blades", so I guess I cant make that comparison.
You spent $300+ on a VERY nice looking knife that is good for cutting, and light baton work. That is fine. Good job. I personally like the knives, a lot. BUT when I hit the back country and I can not bring, axes, saws, small blades, medium blades, large blades, chainsaw, ice auger, sledgehammer, I will bring a Busse.
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with hammering a knife you can show tough it is,not easy to break,but is it handy knife?is it as effective as an axe? take a CRKT hissatsu for example.if you hammer that knife it will certainly break quite easy.but when it comes to stabbing someones ass with a knife I would take the hissatsu over the so much admired busse anytime.handspeed,MUCH more agility with it.
that busse is built like an axe,as heavy as one.without the wood hacking effectivity of an axe.it hasn'tgot the leverage.an axe is an axe a chisel is a chisel and a knife is a knife.the Kabar for example isn't chosen only because of its price.it is functional.lightweight,and quite tough.
that busse is built like an axe,as heavy as one.without the wood hacking effectivity of an axe.it hasn'tgot the leverage.an axe is an axe a chisel is a chisel and a knife is a knife.the Kabar for example isn't chosen only because of its price.it is functional.lightweight,and quite tough.
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you cannot bring axes, saws, small blades, medium blades, large blades, chainsaw, ice auger, sledgehammer but you can bring a Busse?what kind of arguing is that?
doesn't sound very intelligent does it?
why not bring a barbell with you or dumbbells?
if you like to carry metal around anyway..:jerkit:
look at what mess your party made,with Bush.
financial crisis due to your beloved republicans.
go for another war.
that's what you love don't you?
you probably claim that your Christian too dont you?
(( Ridiculous thread, ridiculous rhetoric, this part of this post isn't even vaguely related to the topic, just ignorant and unacceptable personal insults. Chill out, all of you. -- And no, I do not claim that I am a Christian, like that has anything to do with knife choices.
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A Busse PD will easily penetrate.
I would rather have a Gladius than a Busse.
Busse is an ugly fat heavy knife.way overrated.the thicker the knife the worse it is at cutting and slicing.
why do you think butchers knives are so thin?
it is all a false sense of security carrying such a heavy clumsy blade around.it is a knife for people who wear a belt and braces at the same time.
for close combat there are MUCH better options.light weight blades are the way to go.
Once again, Noss is primarily trying to find out how tough a knife is. Even if the model you love broke on the first test, if it does what you want it to then that is the knife for you.
I use a Benchmade Nimravus for work. It probably wouldn't even last a few minutes in the test, but I like the knife a lot for what it does (good edge retention and cutting ability). I don't need that knife to be "tough". If I were looking for a "tough" knife, then I would greatly appreciate if it were a model that had been tested by Noss, because then I would have a better idea of what I could expect it to do without breaking.
Noss is not trying to tell you which knives suit your needs best, or how to use them. He is trying to show you what a knife can take before breaking.
Hey, notice that? The important part is not that the knife breaks, it's all the stuff that happens before the knife breaks.
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Esav.
On my opinion - once we finally get close to what is really those tests and that CR fail in not too harsh condition - no abuse, no intentional destruction. Here we have this thread turned into ridiculous rhetoric.
As a moderator you may be should look at this carefully. IMHO some just trashing valuable and resonable test, simple because their favorite manufacturer does not looks good.
Please, see my transcript of this video and video themselfs.
Do not get into this fiction of intentional knife destruction - please, watch videos - 3rd clip 8th minute
Thanks, Vassili.
On my opinion - once we finally get close to what is really those tests and that CR fail in not too harsh condition - no abuse, no intentional destruction. Here we have this thread turned into ridiculous rhetoric.
As a moderator you may be should look at this carefully. IMHO some just trashing valuable and resonable test, simple because their favorite manufacturer does not looks good.
Please, see my transcript of this video and video themselfs.
Do not get into this fiction of intentional knife destruction - please, watch videos - 3rd clip 8th minute
Thanks, Vassili.
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Right here with transcript.
Thanks, Vassili.
Oh, 2 and 3 link is not working:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ2fT6pL4xQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VmWJOAJB5I
If It is rediculous rhetoric, all who posted here,myself included, were involved in that rediculous rhetoric and yes that includes you and stage2. Opinions differ about these tests and as i've stated before all the browbeating in the world will not change them.
When Noss4 posts his videos, maybe they should just be watched only, as it just starts controversy,possibly their intended purpose and IMHO isn't doing anybody here any good. Forum members, prospective buyers noone.
When you guys come here and trash a very well respected and great knifemakers entire line on the basis of controversial tests, testing a miniscule amount of his product, what do you expect? Do you think anyone will respect you or the tests because of it? If it was done in a respectful manner in the first place,maybe there would've been discussion.nozh2002 said:
To tear down anothers notoriety and integrity to gain your own is very wrong, and i hate to see people hurt in such a way.
How about letting this die, as the battle is far from won on either side....but has been clearly over for some time.
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