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The "Sebenza" and hollow handles are more likely.
The interesting thing is say I am a CS Fan and I am by the way.
Why am I not surprised?
You can't be serious.
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Why am I not surprised?
You can't be serious.
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Hey CS makes some tough knives, I buy what I can use and not have to worry about it.
They are better than most people think they are, too much politics about hating LCT makes for missing out on some really good blades. CS says their knives are tough, they back it up on VIDEO and LIVE, they stand behind their products. CS Really does test their knives and they test them hard.Oh yeah I am serious, but no I don't do it every day and I don't beat hard on the spines, it's more tapping than anything. It doesn't really take much to drive a blade through wood most of the time.
Heck when I was in the USMC back in the early 80's we used to use pipes or what ever we could find to beat our K-Bars though wood for making fires in the field. It really isn't that big a deal.
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Because it's a destruction test.
If I would have seen this thread earlier I could have saved 7 pages of discussion. haha
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Because it's a destruction test.
They didn't make to the destruction part because they failed before they could do anything really tough.
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Let's take the other side of the coin following your common sense. Those that didn't break failed. Like so many wall hangers they were not hard enough to do a decent day's work in the field without constant sharpening. Mallet testing will fracture a good blade so all else are junkers.
Its all really simple, the test hold NO validity as the GB and P1 are knives and are ment to cut not be pounded on by some goon.
You have you opinions and we have ours, the only difference is that one is formed out of ignorance and spite, the other from intelligence and education!
You have you opinions and we have ours, the only difference is that one is formed out of ignorance and spite, the other from intelligence and education!
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You think?
I guess you haven't used many knives then because most of the ones that did go farther than the 2 that broke do hold an edge very well in the field.
Face it..... THEY BROKE....... GET OVER IT.
They are marketed as COMBAT knives and at that task when compared to other COMBAT knives they failed..... LOL
You guys really need to get over it.
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I like his tests. Some of what he does is silly, but it's at least entertaining. I did learn something from his videos though...don't beat the hell (or tap what ever you call it) my Chris Reeve $300 fixed blade knife with a 3lb sledge
...grab the cheap $15 knife to perform that task
...holy crap
...I already knew that...:thumbup:
Jim
...grab the cheap $15 knife to perform that task...holy crap...I already knew that...:thumbup:Jim
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what about the Crowell/Barker competition cutter? it was made to cut, and survived past these other two. Or the RAT RC-4? Are Reggie Barker, Jim Crowell, Mike Perrin, and Jeff Randall all ignorant because their knives didn't break on the wood/hammer baton test? Do they not know how to make knives that cut? Are their knives incapable of making it through a day's work?
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I think we are talking to a brick wall, these guys are never going to get it. LOL
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.
I guess the Busses failed too then, better call Jerry. LOL :jerkit:
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I personally think it's extremely funny and I get a kick out of it every time I read the threads. I just can't stop laughing every time I read them, it's better than Comedy Central. :thumbup:
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there has to be a balance struck in the properties of the knife, toughness, edge retention, point penetration, lateral strength, cutting efficiency, what have you. CRK makes knives to exacting standards of precision in measure of physical dimensions. My question is why those dimensions prescribe this stock thickness, this type of primary grind, this style of serration, this point of balance, this overall weight. The knives don't chop well, don't cut well, don't handle impact well in comparison to others. These knives were not made to cut exceptionally well with thick stock and low grinds, and they were not made to be beat on with high alloyed stainless or A2 heat treated to a trough in toughness (it would actually be tougher if it were harder, as well as more wear resistant).
Umm...but if the Green Beret was only meant for cutting why does Chris Reeve then advertise the knife as tough on their website??
"Efficient - Tough - Exceptional
Words that describe the men of the U.S. Army Special Forces
Words that describe the knife designed specifically for these men"
That' s what is says for the Green Beret. So the knife is clearly not meant only for cutting. No offense meant as i really don' t want to get all this started again but isn' t that the proof that the knives clearly failed at something they were designed to do? And if they were only meant for cutting why the exagerated (spelling?) finger gaurd, the thick blades etc. ?
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I think we are talking to a brick wall, these guys are never going to get it. LOL
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.
I guess the Busses failed too then, better call Jerry. LOL :jerkit:
Here we go again with pseudo science, the science of hearsay. Fine in the field. My little mora of 12c27 does fine in the field. For what it is designed for. Or should we ignore the field experience of experts over the swinging Scientist?
Relevance of it breaking, you still havent answered that issue?
-Could it be that it is designed harder for edge retention?
-Could it be that the handle material is harder?
-Could it be that Nozz is swinging differently?
-Could it be the point of aim?
-Could it be that the vice is too tight?
-Could it be that there is a bias in the tests?
-Could it be poor quality control?
You stand in judgment blaming the last possibility displaying a blindness to a host of very, very likely alternatives. It, however, highlights your lack of understanding of steels, knives and their uses.
In your infinite wisdom please explain the likely hood of a Special forces doing that to a knife in the field? No, not really cuz he hasnt got a hockey mask!
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It was very possible and very likely, well at least when I was in anyway (82-86), not sure about today.
I fixed a lot of edges on knives that some of the Force Recon guys I knew damaged, I never asked how they got that way.
As for the rest of your post.......
Well like I posted before......
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I haven't got a Reeves, a Strider or a Busse. Break either of the last two there would be a hoo ha and it is a matter of how hard one strikes and how hard the vice is before they break ( I don't imagine these bending softly).
However I do care about a daft dude swinging away at any blade and learning next to nothing and a host of people downing something on that basis. Illuminating your ignorance like the Statue of liberty in pink. (pastal)
However I do care about a daft dude swinging away at any blade and learning next to nothing and a host of people downing something on that basis. Illuminating your ignorance like the Statue of liberty in pink. (pastal)
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It was very possible and very likely, well at least when I was in anyway (82-86), not sure about today.
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Dang, you Americans are tough on your knives. In the field of duty having time to place a knife in a tight vice and swing at it with a large hammer. Hooooohaa, I smell BS.
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Noss tested 3 Busses and one Strider and none of them broke on that said questioned test.
I am not downing anything, I am just stating that those CR blades are marketed as COMBAT knives and it stated how tough they are on the website.
They are not as tough as MOST of the other knives that are marketed the same way. That was proven because they passed the said test and went well beyond to other tests. The proof is in the numbers alone. If Noss only tested 2 knives and they both broke like that we wouldn't have anything to compare it to. Noss tested a bunch of blades using the same methods so that alone is good enough to compare them on a fair basis. What's fair to one blade is fair to all of them IMO.
We don't need a lab for that.
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It was very possible and very likely, well at least when I was in anyway (82-86), not sure about today.
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Dang, you Americans are tough on your knives. In the field of duty having time to place a knife in a tight vice and swing at it with a large hammer. Hooooohaa, I smell BS.
No, not quite. LOL
I was talking about pounding them through wood. LOL
If you don't believe me go into the Busse forum here on BF and ask how Busse Combat tests their knives.