Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

[OilMan]

Why am I disappointed without knowing the real truth yet? Because Michelle says Mick Strider never claimed to be a combat veteran - but there are hundreds of quotes that speak a different language.

So... combat or no?

Doh, typing at the same time as Doc with same question. Sorry for the double.

 

[Jerry Hossom]

Geesh, this thing will just never die.

Yeah, I'm a friend of Mick's, and am proud to be his friend. I have always been proud to be his friend, and I'm proud for a couple reasons. He's a VERY talented and creative knifemaker, witness the fact that so many intellectually and creatively bankrupt hack knifemakers copy the shape and essence of his designs. Secondly, he's absolutely one of the most honorable people I've ever met. Was he always so? Were you?

For the past three years I've attended the Best Ranger competiton at Ft Benning, GA. Mick has always been there (why I went in the first place) and during the couple days I'm at the competition we meet a LOT of U.S. Army Rangers. Now, here's something you don't do, not ever. You do not attend the U.S. Army Best Ranger Competition and tell a lot of U.S. Army Rangers you were a U.S. Army Ranger and not have been a U.S. Army Ranger. I've been there; I've witnessed the respect with which Mick is treated while there; I've had the priviledge of being given a tour of the entire Ranger facility by a Ranger First Sergeant because I was a friend of Mick's. You do NOT fool First Sergeants, about much of anything, but most certainly about your military career.

Now, all you hot shot keyboard commandoes (including Thompson and MadDog) who want to badmouth Mick for having done this or not having done that, the resolution of this issue is simple. The Best Ranger competition is open to the public; you are free to attend. I suggest you do that when it's held in a couple months. You can meet Mick, a lot of his friends, and a whole lot of Rangers and you can say what's on your mind. PLUS, you can also meet a couple Marine Scout Snipers, Maybe an Airforce Foreward Air Controller or two, and a few other high energy types who are so fond of hanging out with frauds.

Come to think of it, maybe that's why so many of Mick's detracters don't hang out there. I wonder how many who have written crap here have actually served in the military and are therefore entitled to offer an opinion on this subject. I'll bet it's far fewer than the number of military personnel who hang out at the Strider booth at any knifeshow. If any of you visit the Blade Show you should stop by and find out.

Honorable men have friends; weasels have opinions.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Jerry, Mick doesn't have to prove anything to the people that hang around this forum. He has already proved himself to the people that count.

 

[hardheart]

I was not aware that Blackwater, Titan, CACI, Global, etc. would hire individuals with felony convictions. How do they handle training w/weapons, esp. those with burst/auto capabilities. Must it be conducted wholly outside of the US?

 

[Vaako]

Why does Mick have so many military friends? Like, high level ones? Why can he count Green Beret Team Seargents and everyone inbetween as his Pals? Why is he invited to the Best of Ranger Competition every year? Why isnt he considered a leper by the Military factions? Have you ever wondered? Do you people really think you know more than our Military does about Mick Strider? And yet the NSNs keep accumulating... Hey! I know! Maybe, just perhaps maybe, do you think that there is something there that you just don't know about?

His knives look very "military" and he does give discounts to the military. If he gives freebies away as some have claimed here, so much the better. He definitely gave the military a very good deal on his folders because he is, by his own admission, pushing a portion off the price off onto his civilian customers. Generous people who have lots of cool looking toys to give away always have friends.

The military connection is easily overblown and makes very good hype for those who are impressed by such things. Blackhawk Products has dozens of NSNs for their products, including knives. Their CQD Mark 1 is military issue. Mission Knives has NSNs and have their products issued too.

By contrast, the late Bill Moran was never issued a military contract or an NSN in his entire career.

Honorable men have friends; weasels have opinions.

So your opinion that Strider is a great guy makes you what, exactly, Mr. Hossom?

 

[Walking Man]

Paul Bos doesn't stamp blades nor does he etch his logo on them. That's up to the knifemaker to do if he chooses to.

Many knifemakers put the Bos logo on their blades to let their customers know that it was heat treated by Bos, as his name is well known in the knife world.

How do I know this? Because Mr. Bos heat treats the knives that I make as well as most of the ones that my friends make.

Sorry, I just can't believe this. I've seen such crappy Stider stamps, and yet, somehow, the Bos stamp is always (as far as I've seen) nice and clean.

 

[j.h]

Some just don't get it, some just don't believe it, and it just appears that its just the argument that is being enjoyed.

Mr. Hossom is an honorable man too. Is that now being called into question? Vaako? Please explain. I don't much care for the inference.

When someone with first hand experience says something of which they know a fair amount, why do people keep asking the same questions over and over again. Hesuus chreestos........ where is the head banging into a brick wall icon when we need one.

 

[Michelle]

I was not aware that Blackwater, Titan, CACI, Global, etc. would hire individuals with felony convictions. How do they handle training w/weapons, esp. those with burst/auto capabilities. Must it be conducted wholly outside of the US?

Where did you get such a weird timeline? Of COURSE it wasn't after .......

Nevermind. Not worth the trouble.

I think Mr. Montgomery's post above sums it up pretty well.

m1 - out

 

[OilMan]

Not to be a jerk but does that mean we won't be getting the clarification of combat or not then? I ask because, as was pointed out, there seems to be a discrepancy between stories on that issue.

 

[georgegilstrap]

I am getting a bad feeling about this. Mick Strider's friends are neither falsifying his letter, nor confirming it. Their careful choice of words makes me wonder and still the versions of "the truth" still go from "medals, wounded in combat" over "he's been a ranger, but he never said he was in combat" to "he has never been an operator at all".

I'm disappointed. I'm not talking about the carjacking - that's Mick Strider's very own business. Hell, there are hundreds of knifemakers and I have no idea who was in prison and who wasn't - I don't ask and I don't care!
But there are many knifemakers who have to rely on their talent alone without telling false war-stories, pretending to be someone they are not.

Why am I disappointed without knowing the real truth yet? Because Michelle says Mick Strider never claimed to be a combat veteran - but there are hundreds of quotes that speak a different language. I'm in a loss of words. Disappointing is the only word that pops up in my mind right now.

I'm thinking about many of his fans who have been betrayed. They have a high moral standard, they worshiped Strider as a hero and whenever someone asked "Why Strider?" their answer was "Because the knife was made by an honorable man, who served his country while risking his life. He should know how a combat knife is supposed to be."

i too have a bad feeling but it comes down to clarrification i think hes just hoping it will die down and go awaythen he can still be as popular as he was but some have brought up blade steel i mean come on they still find swords made of carbon steel in rivers and they are 100s of years old my point that says a lot about steel.

 

[josh@STRIDERKNIVES]

Yes
Ken is right.
We stamped the BOS stamp on our knives

 

[Death's Head]

As I have stated before- I am a friend of LT and the crew at Cold Steel.

So that obviously do not have nearly the information that you internet CS Haters have.

You don't know me, so don't act like you do. I don't have any idea how many parking tickets any of my friends have.
I am just trying to figure out your unwavering bias for Cold Steel.
Here's some advice for you. Don't go down to your friend Lynn's level and resort to name calling just to pump your ego. That doesn't help out this thread or Lynn one bit.

 

[DocArnie]

I ask because, as was pointed out, there seems to be a discrepancy between stories on that issue.

But it's not like it does change a thing. It's a fact that Mick Strider has many military friends (including his very own partner) and he doesn't owe us to lay down his past. A very small part of his past has been made public against his will and normally, noone would have asked for these details to begin with!

In fact, I'm convinced that he's doing the right thing by not responding to this thread. It's a useless shitstorm and I think the only direction this thread would be going is straight down.

Josh's posts are very professional. Maybe this kind of professionalism (letting talkers just talk...) could have avoided the whole online-war in the first place.
Obvously it's something you can't ask from Cold Steel.


What has all this to do with stamps and blade finish BTW?

 

[Ken Brock]

Sorry, I just can't believe this. I've seen such crappy Stider stamps, and yet, somehow, the Bos stamp is always (as far as I've seen) nice and clean.

Ok, so now I'm a liar too? Well hell, you think Mick's a liar so I'm in good company.


How many knives have you sent to Paul to have heat treated?

How many have you made that would give you such vast experience with this?

Yeah, that's what I thought


Edited to add that I just saw Josh confirm what I posted originally. But maybe we're all just liars and only YOU know the truth

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

this is the point of this thread:

 

[JimConvex]

I guess I just can't understand why any of you think Mr. Strider owes any of you an explanation for anything.

I don't know him and have never met him but from the kind of Friends he has I think I will be making it my Business to attend the Blade Show and meet him.

I would just like to shake his hand.

He owes none of you anything.

I appears that Mr. Strider makes products that seem to be very well accepted and have a very big following.

Some very well respected and very visible folks have stood for him here.

I believe them. These folks would not do that unless they really believed in Mr. Strider.

It is very childish to think that this thread will do anything to damage this man's Reputation or Business.

You are just making Fools out of Yourselves.

You are trying to drag up something that was , obviously, settled in 2002.

I have never heard or seen anything that indicates that Mr. Strider attacked Mr. Thompson.

As I said above.

You are helping Mr. Thompson Accomplish is Mission.

You have played right into his hands.

I'll bet he is having a very Good laugh at all of this.

I'm sure he is laughing most, at you.

Jim

 

[OilMan]

But it's not like it does change a thing. It's a fact that Mick Strider has many military friends (including his very own partner) and he doesn't owe us to lay down his past. A very small part of his past has been made public against his will and normally, noone would have asked for these details to begin with!

I would agree for the most part but when you sell a product, in part, because of a reputation it would be nice as the consumer to know, as much as anyone can "know", if it's the truth or just hype. With LT it's fairly obvious and he doesn't seem to care who knows he's a POS.

 

[Jerry Hossom]

So your opinion that Strider is a great guy makes you what, exactly, Mr. Hossom?

It makes me someone, unlike yourself and others here, who doesn't hide behind a screen name tossing crap at someone better than himself, about whom he knows nothing and to whom he is unwilling to make such an accusation in person. So what does that make you? I think it's obvious.

As for the retard who thinks Paul Bos does the stamp, if you knew squat about knifemaking you'd know better. I would suggest however that if you are in doubt on the subject, you call Paul Bos and ask him. Absent any proof to the contrary, relying solely on specultaion, you're worse than you acuse others of being.

Personally, I think you're all trying to compensate for your own shortcomings by trying to drag a better person down to your own miserable level of existence. If you firmly believe the trash you are throwing, state so in person at any of the public venues where Mick and others of us can be found.

And BTW, I compete with Strider, both with custom and factory made knives, so my personal gains in this discussion both in support of Mick and in confronting you are questonable at best

 

[georgegilstrap]

this is the point of this thread:

this is only part of it the rest is mick striders lies and falsehoods for customers in a certain area and lynn thompsons shitty advertizing practises for customers. mick is getting what he deserves and lynn thompson will get his.every time seal is mentioned with a knife it sells like hot cakes mick made claims and now it turns out that they were lies he decided to attack a seal and that was his mistake and he did it for buissiness gain thats all they both are wrong thats the point. friends will defend friends thats normal.:jerkit: :jerkit:

 

[Jdunks]

this is the point of this thread:

Bingo!!! Boy did this get out of hand..Seriously, all biases aside..Regardless if you like Mick, hate em etc..If you can look at this picture and not agree that this is a blatant rip-off then there is definitely something wrong. Nevermind the fact that it's a tanto and its cord-wrapped, we all know there is no monopoly on that, look at the profile of the blade, the guard, handle shape..I don't know, mayby it;s me