Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

cold steel was an ass for advertising the way they did. and strider is an ass for making claims like he did they both are wrong but mick strider apperently changed his name then started strider knives he built his rep on his supposed military exploits that now seem to be bogus and for me i was a hospital corpsman marines and sailors exspected you to know you stuff and the corpsman that were shit got what they deserved the rest were trusted and i took that seriously every time i had to help some one. if you claim to be some thing then are found out to be shit you get what you deserve and in my book mick is getting his he can recover from this if he does it right. appologise in print to the guy he went after then all can be forgiven.
 
Vaako said:
Huh, indeed. Have you shown anything to the contrary? It's a pity you haven't weighed in on the most essential point of all. Maybe it's getting lost in the posts. Show me which makers before Ernest Emerson pioneered (much less popularized) the kiriha zukuri tanto combined with a straight clip back.
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How about Phil Hartsfield? Emerson got the call because Phil didn't want to make folders.

People make mistakes it is how they react to these mistakes which define them. Mick made a mistake and has turned his life around. Thompson steals makers ideas, gets caught, and continues to do it. he knows he is doing wrong yet continues to do it.

And think part of the Strider knife thing that is getting lost is not what the maker did before(ranger, sf, whatever) but the unwavering devotion to stand behind his product-100% lifetime warranty- on productions or CUSTOMS. this says alot about the company and knives and lends a great deal of confidence to a buyer. Further a warranty like this incurs extra costs to the manufacturer, sure you can put a warranty on the box and then deny claims as abuse , it'll save you money but it sure as hell isn't the right thing to do.

Mick andthe crew at Strider are all top-notch guys in my book.

Keith
aka Ltwtcmdr
 
adder said:
How about Phil Hartsfield? Emerson got the call because Phil didn't want to make folders.
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I'm not arguing who makes folders or not. Besides, Phil Hartsfield finally makes them too. That's not my point.

I'm asking if anyone can supply proof that a maker other than Ernest Emerson invented the blade profile of a kiriha zukuri tanto combined with a straight clip back. I contend it's an Emerson invention.

If it is, then Cold Steel is copying a Strider blade that is copy itself of an Emerson design. As such, Strider is hardly the long suffering victim of another company's predatory tactics and is, in fact, guilty of such "borrowing" itself.

If you or anyone else can show who the "real" inventor of the design was/is, please feel free to correct me by supplying the proof.
 
Wow, you guys kill me! I mean really you demand to know Mick Strider past, like it has relvance to this topic. I would love to know some of your dark secrets, the ones you would chnge if you could. I would like to post them on the internet for all to see. I see what your saying though, yeah the man can grind, but gee, he is so dang high on his prices! His military career? The man enlisted, went through RIP and was DX'd for an injury. Damn him! We should try to enlist more careful people. I say thank you Strider for giving it your best. I can't understand why the military would even speak to this Walter Mitty. So let me get this, Rangers still allow him to donate knives for The Best Ranger contests, when he alledges himself to be an ex-Ranger? They must really need the handouts? EOD memorial? I guess they will take whatever scraps are thrown thier way? Top qualifier at USMC Sniper school awarded a Strider upon graduation, Mick Strider has totally gotten over on these guys. I have seen Strider post "2nds" for free to folks in the military.
Lynn Thompson hell he must be a Saint. No speeding tickets huh? Test $1000s of dollars of merchandise a year (@$30 a pop, thats alot of testing). I wonder how much $$$ CS makes off of Military guys? How much do they give back?
So Striders knives look alot like Emersons Timberline? Like a Chevy truck looks like a Ford maybe. CS just pried the front emblem off and put his there.
It sickens me that CS blatantly steals his designs, but its cool as long as you saved a little dough.
Ready for a head to head? I will challenge the CS with my Strider BT any time. I am willing to send it off to a party I too believe to be independant of it all.

LFD972
 
lfd972 said:
The man enlisted, went through RIP and was DX'd for an injury. Damn him! We should try to enlist more careful people. I say thank you Strider for giving it your best. I can't understand why the military would even speak to this Walter Mitty.

So let me get this, Rangers still allow him to donate knives for The Best Ranger contests, when he alledges himself to be an ex-Ranger? They must really need the handouts? EOD memorial? I guess they will take whatever scraps are thrown thier way? Top qualifier at USMC Sniper school awarded a Strider upon graduation, Mick Strider has totally gotten over on these guys. I have seen Strider post "2nds" for free to folks in the military.
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Thanks for posting that, I have been saying that in my mind from things I have seen and heard here and there, but had no first hand knowledge with which to justify stating it.

Not likely that a "poser" would be good friends with the guys if they did not respect him. Flocking enough with the military history already. If hes good enough for the actual operators, put the military history thing to bed. Who the hell are the majority of us to ask the question.

Back to the original post.... nobody but an ass would use such low handed text in trying to push their product... in my opinion.
 
Michelle said:
I've known Mick for several years and he has never told me or anyone else I know of that he was in a combat or dangerous situation with the US Army or Rangers, or that he was wounded in that employment/capacity. I don't know of any combat related medals he has gotten. I love Tom, but I wonder if he is thinking of Duane in that regard.

All the info is out there if people want to bother looking. But I guess it's easier to just reference one "source" and consider it gospel. I can tell you right now that if you are going to pick a singular source, TF is not the way to go.


m1
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Thanks for the reply post, Michelle. I found these comments, posted by Mick Strider, previously, and was wondering if other people thought that they gave the impression that he was in fact a "combat veteran"? They certainly gave me that impression.

From: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1233848&postcount=16

Mick Strider:

"I have charged a gunman with a knife.

Not from behind! Not a drop of sneakiness.

And in the service of the US gov."

From: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1231694&postcount=27

Mick Strider:

"Okay now lets just get this over with...Both myself and my partner Duane, are combat vets. REAL combat vets. Whatever that may mean, I guarantee we qualify. Nearly every male I know, is involved in what people like to call Spec-Ops. We have thousands of knives in the hands of operators all over the world. That feedback, along with law enforcement feedback, is what drives our company."

Regards,
3G
 
DocArnie said:
If McClung is lying about Mick Strider's military career, I think this is the right time to say so, before it spreads.
Right now I'm not sure who to trust. Has he earned medals and was wounded in combat, or was he never in combat at all? The first would make him a hero, the second, well, would speak for itself...
Someone is obviously lying to me (and everyone else) and I'd really like to know who the liar is.


I was unable to do my military service because I had cancer at that time and the german armed forces sent me a letter that I'm out forever. I have pretty strong emotions about this and would rather kill myself than pretending to be a ex- (SF)soldier. I just have too much respect for those who actually walk the walk! If I did pretend to be one of them, it would feel to me like disrespecting them big time.
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Go to the Badlands Forum.....Mick has it all laid out in black and white!
 
thats right truth seekers cold steel add is a cheap shot. but mick strider started this whole thing when he attacked a real deal operator with the credentials to back it up. as it turned out mick strider was proven to be a liar and thats the whole thing he built his rep on being an operator and now has been proven to be a liar if he started out telling the truth there wouldnt be any thing to discuss but he lied and know has to deal with it and the concequences that come with it .
 
Vaako said:
I have factual support for my position which is something you do not, an accusation of "clueless" makes you look very foolish in light of that.



Oh, I know. :D :D It's amazing how easily Strider gets people to part with their cash. Knife makers have been selling sandblasted, cordwrapped knives for nearly 20 years, but Strider has convinced a certain segment of the knife market that his sandblasted, cordwrapped knives are worth the prices he charges. :D :D



No, it indicates that one knife has undergone additional finishing steps and the other has not. When the less finished, less complicated knife costs more and has no marked advantages over its competitor, then it most definitely is overpriced.



It's not my "opinion" and typing it IN ALL CAPS doesn't change that. The Strider Mark 1 has a rougher finish than the Reeves Project One. That's a fact. The Strider Mark 1 is a flat bar of steel, with some string for a handle. That's a fact. The Reeves Project One has an incredibly complicated to machine handle. That's a fact. The Reeves Project One has a crisper grinds on its blade. That's a fact. The Reeves Project One has a leather sheath, the Strider Mark 1 does not. That's a fact. For all that, the Strider Mark 1 costs more. That's also a fact.

Those are facts, none of which you are disputing, none of which you can dispute and I dare you to try.

Therefore, whether you like it or not, whether certain Strider enthusiasts like it or not, it's overpriced in comparison to a Chris Reeves Project One.
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i prefer striders to reeves and it matters not one iota to me if ya like it or not, i decide what i buy not you, if ya like reeves better fine but thats your opinion, thats not fact.

when did this become a reevs vs strider thing anyway, i musta missed something i suppose lol.

anyway value is a very subjective thing, i drive a corvette but some folks think corvettes are a waist of money, same thing with rolex, just depends on what ya want, whatcha need and whatcha can afford.

personally, i dont particularly care for reeves, and yes i have a seb lol, just not my cup of tea, if i had never even heard of strider i still wouldnt be collecting reeves stuff, so does that make reeves stuff overpriced/not a good value?? no, it makes reeves stuff not desirable to me because i dont care for them, generally. my son likes 'em a lot, but i just dont really care for them, not that they are bad.

the old saying "opinions are like (fill in the blank) everyone has one" comes to mind.
 
his knives are not the question here his character is you like strider i like reeves another some other maker. but when you build your rep saying you were in the special forces you had damn shure better be able to back it up and not by flappin gums.
 
or what??

ya have a shitstorm on the internet??

do you really think any of the folks involved in this care??

as i stated before, only one way to settle this.

$20 on mick lol.
 
SIFU1A said:
when did this become a reevs vs strider thing anyway, i musta missed something i suppose lol.
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I was discussing whether a Strider was a "rip off" for the money back on page 2. Someone argued they weren't so I provided an example of a "cheaper" knife that's better made. lol.

i prefer striders to reeves and it matters not one iota to me if ya like it or not, i decide what i buy not you, if ya like reeves better fine but thats your opinion, thats not fact.
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Our respective buying preferences have no bearing on which knife is demonstrably more expensive, which knife is more technically complex to make, or which knife is more finely finished. These are objective qualities. As such, they are either facts or they are not.

Either one knife takes more steps to make or it doesn't. That's a fact.

One knife has a rough finish or it doesn't.
The other knife has a smoother finish or it doesn't. That's a fact.

A smoother finish and subsequent coating takes more steps to apply. That's a fact.

Either one knife costs more or it doesn't. That's a fact.

If one knife is substantially easier to make, rougher finished, and costs more then it is over-priced in relation to the knife that is harder to make, better finished, and costs less.

It's not a matter of "opinion". A number of people seem to be having a serious problem with this concept and little wonder a company like Strider is able to take advantage of them.

All Chris Reeves needs to do is slap a lot of camo on his website, give his business and himself a quasi-military "spec ops" affectation, hand out plenty of freebies to the right people, pass the cost of those freebies on to his civilian buyers (the real reason Striders cost the way they do), and he'd eclipse Strider in a year.
 
georgegilstrap said:
thats right truth seekers cold steel add is a cheap shot. but mick strider started this whole thing when he attacked a real deal operator with the credentials to back it up. as it turned out mick strider was proven to be a liar and thats the whole thing he built his rep on being an operator and now has been proven to be a liar if he started out telling the truth there wouldnt be any thing to discuss but he lied and know has to deal with it and the concequences that come with it .
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We aren't in disagreement, George. This whole fiasco has proven to me that I am well advised to stick to the manufacturers I have always leaned towards, Spyderco, Kershaw, CRK, and Emerson.

I know that, to a lot of people on this forum, the honesty and integrity of the manufacturer/knifemaker doesn't necessarily outweigh how their product performs. To me it does! My grandfather was the one who got me interested in knives, when I was very young boy. He believed very strongly in honesty and integrity, as did most of his generation and his fellow WWII Vets. To me, those characteristics (honesty and integrity) go hand in hand with my hobby.

Regards,
3G
 
3Guardsmen said:
Thanks for the reply post, Michelle. I found these comments, posted by Mick Strider, previously, and was wondering if other people thought that they gave the impression that he was in fact a "combat veteran"? They certainly gave me that impression.
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There is a whole thread at the USN full with Mick Strider quotes, about knifefighting, Mogadishu, his .45 and his Sig he carried both in combat, his experience with .223 and .308, how weapons have to be a "chunk of death" to be good for combat and so on and so on... Lots of tough talk.
In a magazine (american handgunner) there was an article about Strider, saying he was in combat recently and his customers couldn't be sure if he ever came back.

OK, so the medals aren't true. But what McClung says isn't real either... Wow, now I'm as dumb as before.

I've known Mick for several years and he has never told me or anyone else I know of that he was in a combat or dangerous situation with the US Army or Rangers, or that he was wounded in that employment/capacity.
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But it can be found on several homepages - excluding tacticalforums.com.


Just calling the other side liars doesn't do it for me. I know Mick is your friend, you've said that many times. I can imagine that he must be a really nice guy to have friends like that, friends that stand by him no matter what. But it doesn't help me.
Is the letter to Osman real or not?
All you did was calling McClung a bad source and telling what Mick has told you as his friend. I thank you for you afford but I don't feel like my question has been answered.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Gee, you mean that you never were able to come up with evidence to the contrary, after so many months?
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He doesn't need to provide evidence he wasn't involved. Can you provide evidence you never killed anyone - no. If I made the assertion that you had the burden of proof is on me to support it, not to simply make such a statement and then sit back and demand you disprove it.

-Cliff
 
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