Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

[DngrRuss1]

You don't know me, so don't act like you do. I don't have any idea how many parking tickets any of my friends have.
I am just trying to figure out your unwavering bias for Cold Steel.
Here's some advice for you. Don't go down to your friend Lynn's level and resort to name calling just to pump your ego. That doesn't help out this thread or Lynn one bit.

I apologize for any slam you thought I heaped upon you. Your past posts re. me and my defense of CS may not have agreed with me, but you have been respectful and polite. If I erred, forgive me.

My post was not directed so much at you, as it was at the actually haters.

 

[georgegilstrap]

well i dont hate mick strider or lynn thompson but when mick strider lied he lost alot of respect that was given him and he earned this no one else but him and thats the real core trust he was taken on his word and i dont think he will be again but if he lied about this i wonder what else he has lied about i mean its his word that his knives are s30v but can we be shure after his other lies think about it if he lied about his back ground what else is he lying about.

 

[SIFU1A]

It makes me someone, unlike yourself and others here, who doesn't hide behind a screen name tossing crap at someone better than himself, about whom he knows nothing and to whom he is unwilling to make such an accusation in person. So what does that make you? I think it's obvious.

As for the retard who thinks Paul Bos does the stamp, if you knew squat about knifemaking you'd know better. I would suggest however that if you are in doubt on the subject, you call Paul Bos and ask him. Absent any proof to the contrary, relying solely on specultaion, you're worse than you acuse others of being.

Personally, I think you're all trying to compensate for your own shortcomings by trying to drag a better person down to your own miserable level of existence. If you firmly believe the trash you are throwing, state so in person at any of the public venues where Mick and others of us can be found.

And BTW, I compete with Strider, both with custom and factory made knives, so my personal gains in this discussion both in support of Mick and in confronting you are questonable at best

ya know jerry i have always liked your designs, after reading that i now know i would also like the man behind the designs, well said sir, hope to one day meet both you & mick & shake some hands,

 

[SIFU1A]

I'll be glad to. Everyone is entitled to their opinions of course and what matters, I believe, is how well a person can substantiate their own.

Notice what Mr. Hossom said:



According to Mr. Hossom having an opinion on a subject, makes a person a "weasel".

I found this ironic and brought it to his attention with my reply:

So your opinion that Strider is a great guy makes you what, exactly, Mr. Hossom?

That's not of course what Mr. Hossom meant. What he probably meant to say was, "anyone who has an opinion I disagree with is a weasel."

...but that's not what he said. I was just taking a shot at his sloppy logic. Instead of discussing the issue, he's trying to silence other views through outright viciousness. It's forum bullying at its finest

Because that's what it is on Mr. Hossom's part. Just look at his reply to me:



Mr. Hossom, what it makes you is a pushy, obnoxious jerk, a classic forum bully, with a bully's characterstic vindictive streak. If you believe having an opinion makes a person a "weasel", then you must be a weasel for having that opinion. You really didn't see that one coming.

Even so, there is absolutely cause for you to be calling people "weasels" and "retards" and "keyboard commandos" simply because you don't like what they say or because they keep reminding everyone of things you'd like the public to forget about your friend Mr. Strider. That kind of immaturity is a very poor and probably sadly accurate reflection of your character as a person.

Since you mentioned it, people like you are the reason people like me "hide behind a screen name". I've already seen how people like you act when you lose an argument and get shown up as the ignorant loud-mouths you invariably are.

Your behavior on this thread is a great reflection of that and I have little desire to have someone like you trying to up the ante in the physical world. You're not worth the thousands in legal bills your stupidity will ultimately cost me. Hopefully that will answers your question.

On a related issue, a number of people have mentioned how Lynn Thompson's lousy attitude and name-calling have made them boycott his products. Your name calling and lousy attitude just cost you my business, Mr. Hossom. It's a pity because I happen to like a number of your designs. You're a much better knifemaker than Mr. Strider. However, I'd rather not buy from someone like you.

Feel free to continue calling me and everyone else you dislike names. All you're doing is putting yourself in the same class as Lynn Thompson who does the same thing.

hey not a prob jerry, i'd love to have one of your knives, i'll take vaakos lol.

imho jerry hit a nerve with mr vaaako who loves to dish it out but obviously cant take it lol.

 

[georgegilstrap]

It makes me someone, unlike yourself and others here, who doesn't hide behind a screen name tossing crap at someone better than himself, about whom he knows nothing and to whom he is unwilling to make such an accusation in person. So what does that make you? I think it's obvious.

As for the retard who thinks Paul Bos does the stamp, if you knew squat about knifemaking you'd know better. I would suggest however that if you are in doubt on the subject, you call Paul Bos and ask him. Absent any proof to the contrary, relying solely on specultaion, you're worse than you acuse others of being.

Personally, I think you're all trying to compensate for your own shortcomings by trying to drag a better person down to your own miserable level of existence. If you firmly believe the trash you are throwing, state so in person at any of the public venues where Mick and others of us can be found.

And BTW, I compete with Strider, both with custom and factory made knives, so my personal gains in this discussion both in support of Mick and in confronting you are questonable at best

Mr.Hossom have you ever made claims that were a lie to sell knives from your post it does not sound like it and thats the core here mick attacked a seal for nothing more than buisness gain then when his back ground was found out turns out that he lied for buisness gain a good buisness man doesnt do that there are a lot of realy good makers out there all mick strider and lynn thompson has done is give this industry a black eye and cause a lot of us to question who we do buisness with. and who we will do buiness with in the future i dont care who made the knife if it save my life but when you do what mick and lynn have done you are going to give account one way or another.

 

[SIFU1A]

mick attacked a seal?? now i am pissed, we outta all report him to greenpeace or the SPCA lol.

 

[georgegilstrap]

yes he attacked a seal read doc arnies post some pages back he has the link.

 

[english mark]

It wasn't a seal, it was a walrus.......I read it on the internet......it must be true!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vaako]

Hope you dont get struck by lightning................

...and what does that mean pray tell, Mr. Mayo? Is that an implied death threat? Moderators? Is that acceptable forum behavior?

Does that mean I'm going to have an "accident", Mr. Mayo? That usually is the traditional way corrupt governments and their thugs silence people who are persistently right.

My, my, the Strider fans certainly have dragged this discussion down to their "miserable level of existence" as Mr. Hossom so eloquently put it.

Somehow it doesn't suprise me coming from Strider's two-faced flunkies. The level of hypocrisy on this thread is beyond belief, especially from people who claim such an affinity and close relationship with the elite and best of America's military.

All this "noble talk" about friendship and doing the right thing and hand shaking, etc. Then just the opposite happens when it comes time for the big men with the big mouths to live up to the "honor" they congratulate themselves for having.

Right about now there should be some more blather about what a great guy Mick is and how he's helping America's warriors defend our freedoms.

Except when someone excerises their freedom of speech just like (but nowhere as rudely as) the Strider crowd does, then it's time for fight talk about "face to face" and death threats!

The highest ideals of this country defended by America's elite warrior brotherhood and their Strider knives at its finest: Shut up or else.

Let's see if this sounds familiar:

Since you mentioned it, people like you are the reason people like me "hide behind a screen name". I've already seen how people like you act when you lose an argument and get shown up as the ignorant loud-mouths you invariably are.

Your behavior on this thread is a great reflection of that and I have little desire to have someone like you trying to up the ante in the physical world. You're not worth the thousands in legal bills your stupidity will ultimately cost me.

Congratulations, Mr. Mayo. If a threat was implicit in your comment, you've just proven me right once again!

imho jerry hit a nerve with mr vaaako who loves to dish it out but obviously cant take it lol.

Don't flatter yourself, unless you're just trying to brown-nose a free knife out of him lol. A factual argument from Mr. Hossom would impress me. Childish tantrums by a grown man does not.

Say what you will about Cold Steel's business practices. For all his egotism and copying, Lynn Thompson hasn't stooped to making not-so-subtle death threats.

 

[english mark]

Say what you will about Cold Steel's business practices. For all his egotism and copying, Lynn Thompson hasn't stooped to making not-so-subtle death threats.

No he just hires private investigators to try and ruin people.

 

[georgegilstrap]

well mick strider did this to him self hes gettin what he deserves and thompson hell get his dont worry what go around comes around.

 

[Maqua]

Mr.Hossom have you ever made claims that were a lie to sell knives from your post it does not sound like it and thats the core here mick attacked a seal for nothing more than buisness gain then when his back ground was found out turns out that he lied for buisness gain a good buisness man doesnt do that there are a lot of realy good makers out there all mick strider and lynn thompson has done is give this industry a black eye and cause a lot of us to question who we do buisness with. and who we will do buiness with in the future i dont care who made the knife if it save my life but when you do what mick and lynn have done you are going to give account one way or another.

Damn, dude. How about a period every now and then.

 

[Jerry Hossom]

Vaako, you've completely slipped off the edge. Where do you read a "death threat". You (and others) seem to want to defend your own set of beliefs and ignore my suggestions as to how you can confirm or refute those beliefs.

As for your business, I'd rather quit knifemaking than sell you a knife. As I expressed very clearly above, this isn't about my business. This is about what I know and have learned from an assemblage of facts - not hearsay.

 

[automated ugug]

mick attacked a seal?? now i am pissed, we outta all report him to greenpeace or the SPCA lol.

It wasn't a seal, it was a walrus.......I read it on the internet......it must be true!!!!!!!!!!

app. there was a court case where Mick Strider libelled Chris Osman from TAG gear .. said he hadn't been in the military and worse.. as i understand it as part of this case Chris Osman's military career was verified but Mick Strider had to put out a publin notice saying he had never been a SOCOM or an operateor.. i think it's in DOC Arnie's original post . and its a queston which no one has actually answered

but none of that detracts from the fact that Lynn Thompson has done really bad, devious and underhanded things..

 

[Cliff Stamp]

... its a queston which no one has actually answered

That is typical, ignore the actual facts, insult, and attempt to drive the thread away from the fact that Mick Strider lied about himself, and is still lying to promote his knives. Even went so far as to lie about someone with actual experience, was taken to court on it and filed a formal retraction where he admitted he had no combat experience at all. What is worse is that a RUMOR is spun about Thompson and those involved keep propogating it while complaining when Thompson actually cites FACTS they don't wish to hear.

-Cliff

 

[DaveH]

I think it comes down to this some people care when people lie, some people don't. In certain situations, such as this one, they fundamentally will not be able to reach consensus.

Neither side will be able to convince the other, because the basis on which the center their belief is fundamentally different.

The facts are out there, each person can choose to spend/not spend, argue or not argue.

 

[Vaako]

I think you're very close to the truth, Dave. I think it's more fundamental, namely some people define right and wrong in terms of whether they personally like the person who is telling the lies or doing the stealing.

Vaako, you've completely slipped off the edge. Where do you read a "death threat".

Very simple, Mr. Hossom. From the following post by Tom Mayo.

I see no other interpretation of his "hopes" that I don't get hit by a bolt of lighting.

3Guardsmen found it inappropriate as well. It will be interesting to see what the moderators think of it.

This is about what I know and have learned from an assemblage of facts - not hearsay.

Umm, not to point out the obvious, but if all you've done is talk to people and listened to what they say, then that's exactly what you've assembled and nothing more: hearsay, i.e. gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth.

You (and others) seem to want to defend your own set of beliefs and ignore my suggestions as to how you can confirm or refute those beliefs.

Your "suggestions" as to how I can confirm or refute my beliefs generally consists of talking to your friends.

How will that confirm or refute the issues I've raised? All it will accomplish is the physical equivalent of what's happening here, except for the fact I probably would get hit by one Mr. Mayo's "lighting bolts".

Mick Strider's friends will all loudly tell me that he's "the real deal", probably just as rudely as you have, if not moreso. Good for him, good for them. However, I'm not really concerned about his "real deal". I'm interested in seeing credit (and any blame) given where it's due. That hasn't changed since my very first post on this long and now very ugly thread.

It's amazing, this board has thousands of members, has representatives from nearly all the major firms in the industry, many of the big makers post here, and not one of you, any of you, has been able to refute or correct my assertion that the blade profile (and much of the same general grind lines) used on the Cold Steel G.I. Tanto and on several of Strider's knives like Models BN, BT, and WB was an Ernest Emerson innovation. Specifically, that Ernest Emerson designed (and if he didn't, he certainly popularized) a hybrid of the kiriha zukuri tanto and the bowie. This blade combined a tanto with its point in the center of the blade and a straight clip back.

The reason I keep carping on this issue is because everyone keeps claiming Cold Steel is copying a "Strider" design. I contend the blade is actually an Ernest Emerson design. In spite of 15 pages of Strider character testimonials, name calling, and arguing not one person has come up with the goods proving otherwise.

If I'm correct and the blade is originally an Emerson design, then Cold Steel and Strider are both equally guilty of copying Mr. Emerson's blade shape as their own. Many other companies and makers have too, which is just my point.

If you're all so outraged at Cold Steel "ripping off" a Strider design, why aren't you equally outraged that Strider also "ripped off" Ernest Emerson as well? Why does Cold Steel get condemned and Strider gets a free pass?

That's hypocritical and grotesquely unfair, especially since the real victim of unfair copying is Mr. Emerson and everyone universally agrees he's a great guy.

 

[Michelle]

I guess I just can't understand why any of you think Mr. Strider owes any of you an explanation for anything.

I don't know him and have never met him but from the kind of Friends he has I think I will be making it my Business to attend the Blade Show and meet him.

I would just like to shake his hand.

Hey Mr. Jim, I hope you DO make it to Atlanta this year... I would like to shake YOUR hand. I would tell you to stop by Badlands but I don't know if that would be considered "spamming" here.... so I wont.

Does that mean I'm going to have an "accident", Mr. Mayo? That usually is the traditional way corrupt governments and their thugs silence people who are persistently right.

My, my, the Strider fans certainly have dragged this discussion down to their "miserable level of existence" as Mr. Hossom so eloquently put it.

Somehow it doesn't suprise me coming from Strider's two-faced flunkies.

I guess you don't know who Mr. Mayo is?

He's not a "Strider fan".... he's a very fine knifemaker.... that makes him in competition with Strider... just like Mr. Hossom is.

As for the two-faced flunkies remark... why is it that when others use "name calling" in their post they are rude, arrogant, forum bullies, etc., but it's quite okay for you and those who share your POV?

I'm not sure if the last 3 pages of this thread displays more hypocracy or ignorance. Some of it has been downright funny though (i.e. the whole Bos stamp issue).

m1

 

[Siggyhk]

It seems to me the point is more so that cs took the whole knife design as thier own. The blade, or tip design, that is said to be emerson's, is a natural progression of the tanto to me. Too natural to be kept by one company, in my opinion.

 

[DXC]

If you think Tom Mayo controls lightning you really have slipped off the edge. BTW, he said he hoped that you didn't get struck by lightning. He is looking out for your well being.