Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

[robertmegar]

Therefore, I claim he was the first to do so, and it is his invention.

An invention is something new, like a new device or significant variation of one. A mere shape or grind doesn't change the fact that it is still a knife and while some may cut better than other there has to be a factor that makes it particular (and significant) to be an "invention". I guess he did more of a development or a contribution, same goes for all who used the Americ. tanto and tried to improved on the concept. He should have though, trademarked the blade shape.... 'cause I don't think he would've been granted a patent (not really an invention). So, EE is a great guy and all but no T. A. Edison is he.

 

[SIFU1A]

...and what does that mean pray tell, Mr. Mayo? Is that an implied death threat? Moderators? Is that acceptable forum behavior?

Does that mean I'm going to have an "accident", Mr. Mayo? That usually is the traditional way corrupt governments and their thugs silence people who are persistently right.

My, my, the Strider fans certainly have dragged this discussion down to their "miserable level of existence" as Mr. Hossom so eloquently put it.

Somehow it doesn't suprise me coming from Strider's two-faced flunkies. The level of hypocrisy on this thread is beyond belief, especially from people who claim such an affinity and close relationship with the elite and best of America's military.

All this "noble talk" about friendship and doing the right thing and hand shaking, etc. Then just the opposite happens when it comes time for the big men with the big mouths to live up to the "honor" they congratulate themselves for having.

Right about now there should be some more blather about what a great guy Mick is and how he's helping America's warriors defend our freedoms.

Except when someone excerises their freedom of speech just like (but nowhere as rudely as) the Strider crowd does, then it's time for fight talk about "face to face" and death threats!

The highest ideals of this country defended by America's elite warrior brotherhood and their Strider knives at its finest: Shut up or else.

Let's see if this sounds familiar:


Congratulations, Mr. Mayo. If a threat was implicit in your comment, you've just proven me right once again!


Don't flatter yourself, unless you're just trying to brown-nose a free knife out of him lol. A factual argument from Mr. Hossom would impress me. Childish tantrums by a grown man does not.

Say what you will about Cold Steel's business practices. For all his egotism and copying, Lynn Thompson hasn't stooped to making not-so-subtle death threats.

so now ya think tom mayo is gonna get ya 'cuz ya 'dissed mick?? a death threat no less.

thats sillier than the rest of your BS, my lord whats next.


talk about pass the popcorn lol.

i doubt tom or anyone else is out to get ya, for starters mick probably doesnt need anyone to fight his fights,

also all ya are doing is rehashing your old arguements, over and over again, imho if folks havent gotten your point they arent ever gonna.

 

[Vaako]

@SIFU1A

all ya are doing is rehashing your old arguements

Hardly. What I'm doing is something Strider fans dislike very much, namely pointing out that Strider is just as guilty when it comes to swiping other people's new ideas.

for starters mick probably doesnt need anyone to fight his fights

You'd never believe it reading this thread. Anything to drive the thread back into a flame war and away from any topic that might embarrass Strider. Cliff said it best lol.

@ Mr. Trooper
From the look of it, Strider put their handle/guard style on an Ernest Emerson blade. One look at it and it's clearly a CQC profile. Where's the noticeable or different improvement? I understand what you're driving at, but then doesn't that mean that Cold Steel's knife is different because the forward guards are radiused and it doesn't use the Strider signature cord wrap style?

@ robertmegar
The CQC profile seems to be a significant variation of the existing tanto pattern. The US patent office is the last word on what inventions are patent-worthy. I don't know if Ernest Emerson ever applied for a patent. I know for certain that fixed blade knife designs can be patented to keep them from being copied by everyone else. Jack Crain patented his "Battle Baton" dagger, "Phoenix" tomahawk, and his "Life Support System" knife (aka the Predator machete).

 

[3Guardsmen]

So, EE is a great guy and all but no T. A. Edison is he.

I don't know, Robert. I'd say that Ernie having invented (and patented) the "wave" feature puts him up there next to Edison, in my book at least.

Regards,
3G

 

[shipwreck]

If you read through this thread, as hard as it is to imagine, there actually seems to be more animosity for strider than for cold steel.

 

[DocArnie]

Tough shit, I am banned for asking a simple question. An email would've been nice.
I didn't visit the USN because of Strider and I don't care that some of the suspects are best friends with him. I never did. I couldn't have imagined this is of such importance, but here we are. Sorry, this isn't even worth my comment, I'm not gonna loose my dignity over this.

Can someone make photos when adult people start pushing around each other at Blade 07?

 

[automated ugug]

Tough shit, I am banned for asking a simple question. An email would've been nice.
I didn't visit the USN because of Strider and I don't care that some of the suspects are best friends with him. I never did. I couldn't have imagined this is of such importance, but here we are. Sorry, this isn't even worth my comment, I'm not gonna loose my dignity over this.

Can someone make photos when adult people start pushing around each other at Blade 07?

did your original question ever get answered Doc?

 

[DocArnie]

did your original question ever get answered Doc?

Nope, but that was the answer. I got some PMs that it's forbitten for me as a USN-member to ask these questions and I got the "order" to leave it alone. Go figure...

 

[Danno4017]

Deleted. Reconsidered adding to this thread of egos

 

[3Guardsmen]

It is a very sad state of affairs we have going in the knife industry these days!

If you read through this thread, as hard as it is to imagine, there actually seems to be more animosity for strider than for cold steel.

First off, as a knife buyer, I really don't care about Mick Strider's past criminal history, unless of course it involved defrauding his customers. Period. However, I, as do several others who have posted in this thread, really want clarification about some conflicting information regarding the veracity of Mick Strider's public claims of having been a "combat vet". If it turns out he was not actually the "combat vet" he purported himself to be, including here on these very forums, I would say he deserves some of the negative attention this thread has generated, as this thread pertains also to the claims Cold Steel made, that people have interpreted to be an attack on Strider.

I dislike Cold Steel very much for the disrespect I feel they have shown to their peers. Nothing will ever change my feelings about that! It seems to me that, along with the people who keep defending Strider, the people who keep defending Cold Steel do not succeed at doing much more than muddying up the water. DngrRuss1, whether he chooses to believe it or not, has done nothing more in this thread than to help convince me, and I'm sure several other people, that Cold Steel WAS in fact directing their comments (in the G.I. Tanto add copy) at Strider, and played an integral part in the public "smearing" of Mick Strider to begin with.

Call LT and ask him about this. He will tell you the same thing that he told me. He was contacted by the PI. He did not give any monies to said PI, but was curious of the outcome. When the outcome came to his desk, he took the ball and ran.

You wonder why LT reminds folks of these facts? Let's see. How many times do you haters throw out the "thief", "snake-oil salesman", "liar", etc. Then we see statements like, "I wouldn't buy from someone like LT, he has no credibility. I would rather buy from Strider". Really? If that is how one defines credibility, then I am at a loss.

LT has:
no criminal record- not even a traffic ticket

no outstanding debt- and has never declared bankruptcy and left folks in the lurch by not paying them

never claimed to be anything other than exactly what he is


Why shouldn't he call a spade a spade. You haters like to call him names and blast him online (big talk from desktop warriors) and expect him to shut up and take it. Why shouldn't he fire back. Hel, why shouldn't he take the first shot from time to time?


Thus endeth the lessen.

The Strider faithful, including some people who admit they are very close to the owners, have not managed to convince me, or several others of the veracity of the "combat vet" claims made by Mick Strider. If anything, all they've managed to do, in my opinion, is further confuse the issue and add more speculation to it.

HEY PAL-MICK STRIDER SERVED IN THE ARMY RANGER UNIT, WAS WOUNDED IN COMBAT AND GOT A BUNCH OF MEDALS- DUANE SERVED IN THE MARINES FOR A LONG TIME AND HAS A PILE OF CREDENTIALS.

I've known Mick for several years and he has never told me or anyone else I know of that he was in a combat or dangerous situation with the US Army or Rangers, or that he was wounded in that employment/capacity. I don't know of any combat related medals he has gotten. I love Tom, but I wonder if he is thinking of Duane in that regard.

Doooooc.... and others. Go read my sentance again. Come on guys. You are thinking narrow. You have all heard of privatised companies... Blackwater is well known... there are a zillion others out there that aren't well known.... there is an estimated 20,000 private contractors working the GWOT right now.

Why does Mick have so many military friends? Like, high level ones? Why can he count Green Beret Team Seargents and everyone inbetween as his Pals? Why is he invited to the Best of Ranger Competition every year? Why isnt he considered a leper by the Military factions? Have you ever wondered? Do you people really think you know more than our Military does about Mick Strider? And yet the NSNs keep accumulating... Hey! I know! Maybe, just perhaps maybe, do you think that there is something there that you just don't know about?

I have talked to Mick extensively about what he did when he was in the Army........He is the real deal.

Some of the other, more vocal Strider fans, including some very well respected knifemakers, have managed to do little more than call names and insult people in their defense of Strider.

I don't know you at all, so I can call you a bloated asshat and that should be okay huh? I'm not trying to tell anybody what to do and I thought I was being civil, but I can play too fucktard!!!!!!!!

I've collected knives for about 35 years, studied metallurgy in college and make a few knives here and there...what are your credentials mr. keyboard commando??

Now, all you hot shot keyboard commandoes (including Thompson and MadDog) who want to badmouth Mick for having done this or not having done that, the resolution of this issue is simple.

I wonder how many who have written crap here have actually served in the military and are therefore entitled to offer an opinion on this subject.

Honorable men have friends; weasels have opinions.

As for the retard who thinks Paul Bos does the stamp, if you knew squat about knifemaking you'd know better.

Personally, I think you're all trying to compensate for your own shortcomings by trying to drag a better person down to your own miserable level of existence. If you firmly believe the trash you are throwing, state so in person at any of the public venues where Mick and others of us can be found.

Ok, you are a MORON, bet you didn't see that one coming.

Id buy a combat knife from a hardcore felon. They are more likely to know what works than some armchair commando.

Hope you dont get struck by lightning................

I have to admit, one of the people who posted in this thread, who I happen to think may have hit the nail on the head, only has 5 posts on these forums, and was able to do so in real short order.

It's real. It's also a matter of public record.

A) Yes, Strider is a felon and never came close to performing anything remotely close to what he claimed in his military career. That, is what has most peoples goat.
B) Yes, he grinds a decent knife.
C) Lynn Thompson is a fruitcake IMO and Cold Steel lost my business long ago.

To focus on the original post, LT acting like a child. Nothing new.

Another post that I feel is quite true, and sums up this thread quite nicely is the following one.

Dont you all just have to admire the sheer sociopathic genius of LT, putting that line in about Strider, knowing all the publicity it would get for his knives on this forum and others?

I mean if he is going to be the leper of the knife world why not go all the way, he knows that no matter how much people talk down about him, you are spreading the word about his new products , posting links and giving him free advertising.

People , if exposed to his products will like what he has, the new stuff is really cheap, and that fits right into the market he is targeting and this thread is delivering to.

What a genius!

And there you have it, my condensed, one post update/take on this thread.

Regards,
3G

 

[automated ugug]

Nope, but that was the answer. I got some PMs that it's forbitten for me as a USN-member to ask these questions and I got the "order" to leave it alone. Go figure...

as you say Doc, the answer is self evident if one considers the nature of the responses..

and i'll reiterate .. this doesn't excuse what Lynn Thompson did either ....

 

[DXC]

This thread reminds me of a football bat.

 

[SIFU1A]

@SIFU1A
Hardly. What I'm doing is something Strider fans dislike very much, namely pointing out that Strider is just as guilty when it comes to swiping other people's new ideas. You'd never believe it reading this thread. Anything to drive the thread back into a flame war and away from any topic that might embarrass Strider. Cliff said it best lol.

@ Mr. Trooper
From the look of it, Strider put their handle/guard style on an Ernest Emerson blade. One look at it and it's clearly a CQC profile. Where's the noticeable or different improvement? I understand what you're driving at, but then doesn't that mean that Cold Steel's knife is different because the forward guards are radiused and it doesn't use the Strider signature cord wrap style?

@ robertmegar
The CQC profile seems to be a significant variation of the existing tanto pattern. The US patent office is the last word on what inventions are patent-worthy. I don't know if Ernest Emerson ever applied for a patent. I know for certain that fixed blade knife designs can be patented to keep them from being copied by everyone else. Jack Crain patented his "Battle Baton" dagger, "Phoenix" tomahawk, and his "Life Support System" knife (aka the Predator machete).

FWIW what you or cliff have to say about stider matters to me not one iota i am not sorry to say, lol.

its always amazed me that some brands seem to inspire either deep devotion or extreme bitterness, could ya imagine folks argueing about cammilus like this lol?? emerson and strider are alike in that regard.

do i know mick lied about his military service?? sure, i've known that since '02. if the rangers he hangs with dont care, i dont either.

as far as prison/etc, the story behind all that isnt really as cut and dried as some might think IIRC, some folks seem to think he just randomly picked someone and carjakked 'em, not the case, but thats for him to explain.

as far as prison time, he did the crime/served the time, over with as far as i am concerned, do ya think he still owes society something?? if only more felons would turn there life around and enoy some of the success mick has this country would be a better place imho. if some folks dont wanna deal with felons, well dont buy strider stuff, simple as that.

do i think the new cold steal knife is a strider clone?? yes. anyone who doesnt must not believe his lying eyes. anything i can do about it?? nope, i have not wanted anything cold steal has made in several yrs now, so i already dont do 'biz with them.

did mick steal emersons design for a tanto?? i dont know that ernie designed that, and if mick did steal it ernie doesnt seem to mind, why would you care, doesnt seem like ya have an iron in that fire to me. if it dont bother ernie it dont bother me.

does mick make a decent knife?? at a decent price?? i would say yes on both but its a subjective thing, to some folks $400 is a lot of money for a knife, for others not so much.

so, i will contimue to buy and use what i want to irregardless of 'net gossip and what you or cliff have to say about anything concerning anything with an edge on it.

been there/done that/heard this/heard that/ really all old news and folks rehashing old stuff.

i dont see why if someone has a beef with mick they couldnt email him or go to a knife show and talk it out, or whatever, get it over with rather thsan dwell on it and worry about it forever.

i admit mick can come off like a jerk, i've seen it myself lol, but he's like most folks, some good, some bad, and a lot in between, but he's not all bad imho, and does grind some good stuff.

 

[SIFU1A]

If you read through this thread, as hard as it is to imagine, there actually seems to be more animosity for strider than for cold steel.

only from a vocal minority lol.

does give a lot of folks something to do though.

 

[Jim G.]

I for one am actually glad this came up. I have not bought from CS, havn't seen anything I really liked. I have considered Striders but hadn't gotten around to it. Now I won't be buying their knives either. It has nothing to do with him being an ex-con. He served his time and paid his dues.

The military stuff on the other hand I can't forgive. Being a vet myself and preferring to do bussiness with vets, I can't forgive someone for making his money by lying about his service in order to make money from the ones really serving or who have served. So no strider for me.:thumbdn:

do i know mick lied about his military service?? sure, i've known that since '02. if the rangers he hangs with dont care, i dont either.]

 

[SIFU1A]

and i can perfectly understand that................he was wrong to have said that he did anything he didnt imho.

 

[lifter4Him]

Actually the owner of Strider knives is Duane Dwyer as the inquisition with the PI led by lynn thompson and friends found out and Duane is indeed a Marine Corps vet in good standing and a member of the USMC Sniper Assn.

Since I know for a fact that Mick is invited every year to the Ranger reunion, I guess they have no problems with him either.

If you knew Tom Mayo in person, you would know how rediculous it is to suppose he was threatening anyone's life,LOL.

Same goes for Jerry Hossom, met him a few times and know him to stick to his principles, whether it's popular or not.

To see these knifemakers along with Ken Brock and others, who sell knives to the same market as Strider Knives, speak up in defense of them, speaks volumes.

Ernest Emerson and his family are friends of mine that I hold in the highest regard. I have never heard him claim to have been the first to use the Americanized tanto blade style and I am pretty sure he wasnt. Perhaps you've never heard of Bob Lum, Kit Carson, Phill Hartsfeld, or Bob Terzuola. Each of them made tantos before 1990, though not many because it wasnt a popular blade style back then. Ernie is responsible IMO for popularizing it with the development of the CQC6, no doubt about that.

To go back to the original topic, whether anything or any of what has been posted in this thread is true or not true, it was purely low class of cold steel to take a shot at another company. They dont really sell to the same market, I dont think people who buy $30 knives are the same people buying $400 knives usually, so how would it help thompsons business? Mostly by threads like these because for bottom feeders like him, any publicity is good publicity. He doesnt believe the stuff he writes or has written in his catalogs. If he did he wouldnt have printed one year about what a silly and useless knife the kerambit is and then when he saw they were good sellers, be selling them in his catalog the next year.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread after this, tear me up or not, geez folks, calm down, it's only the internet.
Never type anything online you arent willing to say to someone face to face, it's a good practice I try to follow faithfully.

 

[3Guardsmen]

any publicity is good publicity.

I couldn't have said it better myself! I suspect that, with the recent loss of their super-steel, and any chance of American manufacture of their products, they're not doing too good anymore, and are trying to stay afloat by whatever means possible. If he decides to get out of the knife business, I have a feeling the WWE (formerly the WWF) will find room for him, along with the plastic bat.......look for "the Mean-faced Meat-stabber" as a new wrestler!

I probably shouldn't have mentioned the plastic bat and the WWE in the same sentence. I might have given them the idea to try and market Tactical Folding Chairs, made of Fiberglass Reinforced Nylon, specifically to the WWE.

Regards,
3G

 

[Danno4017]

After seeing the debacle on here I will never buy either companys product again

 

[j.h]

Its hard to argue with someone like Lifter who actually knows most of these makers, in person. None of this he said/she said stuff. He is giving it to you first hand.

For those of you who have served and are turned off by comments made about Strider's past here in cyber world and whatnot:

1) thanks for your service,

2) it keeps being stated over and over by people who have seen it with their own eyes...if the Rangers accept him, thats good enough for me. That says all I need to know right there.