Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

maybe they should stab CS knives through car doors from the inside on the Proof videos-to demonstrate their usefulness as car jacking deterrents. :p
 
STR is correct.

Regardless of who Strider got the design from, CS is trying to take cheap shots at Mic Strider. Regardless of Mics past history, Lyn Thomposn is certainly no prince, and has no room to talk.

Even so, Iv got to agree with this one. S30V cant compare to 1055 for toughness and ease of sharpening. Better edge retention sure, but thats not whats realy important with this kind of knife.

As much as i hate CS, these are a tremendous deal. I may have to pick up a few.
 
After all should a hunk of tough steel that a soldier is able to use as a rough tool and possible emergency weapon, with no regard to its well being cost 300 or 400 dollars? Do they really need more? Should it be easy to resharpen? One of my favorite blades to hack brush along trails is a Buck 119, because its cheap and easy to get a great edge back. I may buy more expensive knives but I really don't need them.
 
The fact that LT "designed" this knife (and some others in his new line) with a pad of tracing paper and a complete lack of ethics is what's objectionable.

He put in the jabs at Strider because he was personally involved in hiring a PI to dig up dirt on Strider to defame him. (as was flamed endlessly about in the past)

The fact remains that the knife is a cookie-cutter copy of someone else's design.

LT is also stealing designs for some of his new throwing knives. He is a scumbag.
 
Well Mick sold the knives almost 100% on his background, when it turns out to be completely false, it isn't that unreasonable to expect someone like Thompson to call him on it. Fact is that Mick did that publically on other people and was even called into court and had to retract his statements publically. Thompson also probably has a better knife.

-Cliff


Agreed on all counts. It's amazing to see how many egotistical jerks are at the helm of knife companies. Lynn and Mick certainly aren't alone in that regard.

Bill
 
when cold steel first started they had good knives some still are but lynns ego is way out of control. i think that he is upset that his company really isnt on top any more if it ever was. i would like to see his knife against strider. we all know that he would be cryin like the babby he is if he wants to put his money where his mouth is then make one in the usa from s30v stainless and sell it for 30 bucks.
 
This is the knife Strider should have made,(thicker than 4mm).Everytime I see a stainless "combat" blade I don`t know whether to cry or to laugh.
 
Posted by HoB
Berger is Mick Strider's alter ego. Strider's name used to be Berger, before he committed armed car jacking during which a weapon was discharged (read: aggravated armed robbery/serious felony) got caught and convicted and served time. After he got out of prison, he changed his name (supposedly inspired by Aragon's alter ego from Lord of the Rings...I think Tolkin would be deeply offended). His friend Duane's name is on the Strider company, because he, as a convicted felon is ineligeable to secure a military contract, of which he's got a few. It also seems that his claim to have served oversees as a Ranger (a claim which he has used extensively has advertisement for his goods) does not hold water either. Seems he had to wimp out during basic training and never achieved full Ranger status let alone being deployed oversees. (The above is btw. all matter of public record and not really subject to discussion as some will want to make you believe).

To me the moral and ethical basis of the Strider company is about as low as it gets, but that is no excuse for CS and Lynn Thomson to join Strider in the moral abyss or to enter a competition with them to see who can behave more despicably
------------Mick Striders Post from somewhere else in response to attacks-----------A couple of things...

First

Mr. Kevin,

I apologize for talking **** about your product.
I have always, and will continue to tell people the truth about your product.
Its incredibly well made.

My insult to your gear was uncalled for.

This of course doesn’t change the fact that you’re a low life scumbag.


Item two

Mr. Beau...

It took you three days to compose that?
Wow...


Anyway...
Thanks for your service.

When has it been Beau, that you have heard me talk about my military history?
Have we ever met?
Have you ever taken the time to actually talk to me? Or are all your opinions based on the word of guys that are my competition, or have had their feelings hurt?
Have you EVER taken the time to talk to anyone outside your circle about me, and actually listen?

I do not talk about my history...be it Military or otherwise.
I may speak through experience, but I do not tell stories.
If you knew me at all, you would feel like an idiot for what your doing.

The most I have told anyone, has been that I served in a Ranger Bn. YOU, having served in the Army understand that what has been posted, proves that I did so. No one goes to RIP and then NOT go to Bn. RIP isn’t fun enough to do for no reason. The rest of my 214 has no relevance to your attack. Nor am I applying for a job, so the fact that "ANY ALTERATIONS IN SHADED AREAS MAKE FORM VOID"...is a fairly obtuse point.

If you believe that the Ranger Regiment is not a "[high-speed] SOCOM organization", im not going to argue with you, ill leave that to more qualified folks.
That was nearly twenty years ago, and I was DX’d for an injury after all….
Like you said...im not high speed, those hard fuckers broke me like a size XSmall condom.


quote:
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Your DD214 also indicates that you served in the Army from 1984 to 1986, and of course this is insufficient time in which to serve as an Operator with a [high-speed] SOCOM organization, and not enough time to train or learn the skills necessary to be a Ranger (Ranger School alone requires a time commitment in excess of two years time left in service).
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Really? i didn’t know that!


As a time frame reference only, i’de like to point out that American Hero, Pat Tillman was in the Army from July of 2002 until April 22nd, 2004.


Was Pat Tillman a Ranger Beau?

If i had died instead of crushing my spine would i have been a Ranger?


i have never claimed to have been any kind of super hero. Only someone who knows a thing or two about knives.

i have ALWYAYS made it VERY clear that i left the Army early due to an injury.
im sorry i wasn’t in long enough to impress you.
im sorry that giving until my body broke wasn’t enough for you to believe im an adequate knife maker/human being.

i note that you served as an 11B. Not even a 1P on there? So then in the 4 years YOU served you didn’t excel as much as i did in the tiny little two items ive shown on my 214?

And your questioning my service?

Maybe you should stand down and let other Rangers judge me. leg...

In your attack against me, you folks claim that i never served in the Army, having been hurt in basic training. That is false. The portions of my 214 that are shown more than prove i was in fact in the US Army and that i was given an Honorable discharge.
However...had i only gone so far as to be hurt in basic training, and then discharged. Would you not honor someone who gave their body to their country? That’s not service to you?

Who are you?
Why are you doing this again?

im uncertain as to why you choose to continuously attack me. The little stories told on this forum...the way you continuously choose to disrespect any one but your small group of insiders is disgusting, dishonorable and LOW.

You feel as if i need to be "Outed"?! Dude... get a damn life...you may want to try masturbation.

im a knife maker!
i make knives!
im not a teacher, or even a cab driver.

i make knives.


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The “Report of Investigation” dated June 1, 2005 also states that in 1992 you changed your last name from “Burger” to “Strider” because your ex-wife Chelsea was a vegetarian and disliked the reference to meat that Burger connoted. Is this true or did you do it for covert reasons? Can you provide proof that this is a legal name change rather than an assumed alias?
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And this is your business why?
And why again is it that you continue to post a name that i clearly changed for a reason? That i have asked you to stop flapping about? Is it to again “OUT” me? Because i changed my name? And in a way that YOU don’t approve of?

Who are you again?
And why are you doing this again?

Your story as to why i changed my name is as accurate as your story about my military history.

The name Strider is on my drivers license and passport.
As well as the court documents you have bronzed on your nightstand.
The USA thinks my name is okay…..

Who are you again?
Why are you doing this again?



quote:
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Since you served your Federal Prison time from March 1994 to October of 1998 how did you manage to start your company (since you would presumably be in jail), as reported in the 2002 Tactical Annual American Handgunner online article? http://www.badlandsforums.com/faq/Images/AmericanHandgunner_2002TacticalAnnual_StriderKnives.pdf
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i actually started it much earlier….That is when Duane and i became partners...he came on to finish a contract with the Navy...sorry Kevin, that’s gotta hurt a little...and kept the shop going while i was away. It was at this time that our partnership was borne, and why we use it as our start date. What does this have to do with me being a Ranger again? Don’t forget your only agenda is to "Out" my false service.

Who are you again?
Why are you doing this again?


quote:
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My concern is your representation of yourself as an Army Ranger
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We covered this one.

quote:
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who has been in Harm's Way
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Does injury count as "harm"...probably not...you guys have tough rules...

i have never spoken of any incident where I was in harms way in the service of the United States. But boy howdy have i been in harms way.


quote:-------
and served his Country in a noble------

i truly believe that the only noble thing i have done in my life, aside from run that ******* hill, is to point out to everyone who reads this, what lowlifes you people are.


quote:
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if covert, fashion
--------

You don’t know do you...?

Who are you again?
Why are you doing this again?


quote:
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The incriminating documents regarding your conviction, including addresses, etc. that were e-mailed to the four individuals who requested t------

Four was it?... 4?
Four people...who asked for the documents?
ill ignore the obvious question of how they knew about the documents to ask to see them...
i wonder who those four were?

Chris Osman did the investigation (well really some extra smarmy pi firm that couldn’t ascertain if a smell was from their own fart)
Paid for in part by Lynn Thompson

So maybe Lynn is one.

Man id like to know the other three.

i do of course know of at least five (and im being nice saying five) people who forwarded e-mails from Kevin that contained both text as well as the documents in question.


quote:------
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin McClung [mailto:maddogknives@cableone.net]
Sent: 19. june 2005 03:20

I received this in email earlier today.
No comment necessary after you read the attachments.
I checked and the documents are authentic.
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The people he sent documents to were:
Dealers
Friends
Orginizations

But Lance, oops Hariudo Tenshi , was the one who was REALLY busy.
i got a pile of forwards from him...dealers, collecters...you name it. He even sent an ugly letter to a young 17 year old friend of mine, who is also a collector of our knives.


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From: Hariudo Tenshi
Sent: 21. June 2005 22:24:32


Dear Friend,

You have a promising business future, I don't want you to make the wrong business decisions. Recently, information about Mick Strider has surfaced and everyone in the industry will soon know. Companies, professional associates, and real life operators and law enforcement have already begun to distance themselves from this man and his products now that these Public Records have surfaced, I have attached them for your perusal. Please consider the effects of this information on the salability of Strider products and the secondary market for their wares. Please pass these on to all those who may be effected.

Sincerely,
Hariudo Tenshi
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quote:
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From: Hariudo Tenshi
Sent: 21. June 2005 22:05:36


Important Information regarding Strider Knives

Dear Asian Collectors/Dealers,

It has recently become public knowledge that Mick Strider of Strider Knives was unable to complete his basic military training and is a convicted felon and spent 5 years in federal prison. Apparently he has been lying to the industry, cooperating companies, customers, and associates about his military credentials and personal history. Please read the attached public record and court documents CAREFULLY and plan your business and collection accordingly. It will be in the very near future that EVERYONE is aware of this information!

Sincerely,
Hariudo Tenshi
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i won’t force you to read what he wrote to the youngster.

So then what you must be saying is that YOU sent four?

That YOU personally sent out my children’s addresses over the internet along with false documents regarding my military history to four individuals?

Who are you again?
Why is it that your doing this again?

And why is it that if:

quote:
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My concern is your representation of yourself as an Army Ranger who has been in Harm's Way and served his Country in a noble, if covert, fashion
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If that is the case, why did you send the court documents? What do they have to do with my Military service? Is there some law i don’t know about that takes one year of Military service off for every year served in prison?
That would suck!


Now lets talk about the John Willis documents for a minute.

Why is it Beau, that YOU sent out Johns documents to four people along with mine?

Why was that done?
Is it because i know John?
And since we have both been "bad", then if we know each other we’re double bad times two?
Or as you guys probably say "a double bad mad dog" or some kind of crazy ol "aren’t we the cool ones" slogan.

Oh I know! Its because if John Willis went to prison, then every year that i was in the Army counts as two that i wasn’t in Prison because...

No wait, i think im getting confused...if i know John...and John went to prison...but i went to prison before John, but after the Army...

Nope... i still don’t get that part...

Could you explain that part?

Who are you again?
What is it that i have done to you again?


Why is it Beau, that i go out of my way to be nice and do the right thing with you folks, to include complementing Kevin’s work publicly and in print, while Kevin continuously spouts out remarks about my company, product, friends and "ethnic" employees.
Spending my time, which is short, to try and get Kevin some brown g10 for his Tim Tang project...whom i don’t even know. Time I spent, while ya’ll were playing your little game here.

What was it again that i did to you Beau?

Was it because i think stabbing is better than slashing?
Is it because i make stainless steel folding knives? i know that’s a sin here.


Why is it Beau?
Kevin?
Chris?
Lynn
Lance?

You know what else i find vile?
You peoples blatant contempt in which you must hold both the US Government, and the knife comunity in general. The Government, for thinking that they had been duped this whole time by us, and that YOU were gonna sort it all out for them. As well as the obvious thought that the knife buying public is both base and gullible.

You people REALLY should be ashamed of yourselves.


Please leave me alone.
I have work to do.

m


Post Script:
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I want to extend a personal invitation to you; I will personally pay for your transportation to any Mad Dog Defense Against Knife Attack(s) Class, including the class held in Hawaii every February.
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What date in February? id love to come. i bet it’s a great class.
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Mick Strider
 
lmao, I knew a couple guys who waited ~3 years for a med board with spine problems,and a female who is looking at back surgery after a year of waiting and finally getting out cause she ended up pregnant. Friend of mine spent 9 months in PTRP and didn't get past white phase because of stress fractures. One of my Drills at basic also tried Ranger school 3 times before missing graduation on a broken leg. Took me 19 months to get out of IET status, he's got 2 years and a bad back...
 
It's amazing to see how many egotistical jerks are at the helm of knife companies. Lynn and Mick certainly aren't alone in that regard.

LMAO! :D That is so true. There fans always deny the facts to. :barf: [I am talking about fans of all :jerkit: makers and company heads not just Strider and Thompson.]

-DD, who does not own any Cold Steel or Strider knives. ;)
 
As a Training Officer in a OSUT Reserve Battalion for six years I have seen injured soldiers get out in days. It all depends on the nature of the injury, percent disability involved, and the required time and money the Army and taxpayers spent to get you well.

I had a good friend go to Marine PLDC and medical out in less than 30 days due to a knee injury.

The length of time waiting for a determination has nothing to do with with the fact you served. If you were disabled, and on active duty over 181 days, you are a disabled veteran. Not all receive wounds in war, not all see the elephant, but they went and served their country honorably as their discharge certificate shows.

Trash one, trash them all.
 
I just think CS could sell the knife without the snide comment. Of course, that wouldn't be the LT way, would it? He always has to show just what kind of a bottom feeder he is.
 
Well any company that sinks to low blows like that will not get a dime of my money ... not ever !
 
As a Training Officer in a OSUT Reserve Battalion for six years I have seen injured soldiers get out in days. It all depends on the nature of the injury, percent disability involved, and the required time and money the Army and taxpayers spent to get you well.

I had a good friend go to Marine PLDC and medical out in less than 30 days due to a knee injury.

The length of time waiting for a determination has nothing to do with with the fact you served. If you were disabled, and on active duty over 181 days, you are a disabled veteran. Not all receive wounds in war, not all see the elephant, but they went and served their country honorably as their discharge certificate shows.

Trash one, trash them all.

You must have had some very efficient admin. One of my buddies in CA had a severe spinal condition, the vertebrae would shift side to side on him. He had a dead man's profile and still had to wait years for a med board. Then Jackson lost the med records and 201 of my friend with the stress fractures, VA just got him copies of medical a few weeks ago, even though he got out 2 years ago. He's technically a vet, but his chiropractor visits are being covered by his civilian employer insurance. I have a Marine friend who is hopefully going to see a specialist within a month, for fractures of the humerus in early '05.:(
 
well i know this that if he is lying about his service he should stop and do buisness honestly with out false hoods his knives should speak for them selves and lynn thompson should not stoop to the level that it seems he did. it will in the end hurt him more than help.
 
I feel like if anything strider is an example of someone who turned his life around, that part should be commended. Someone getting injured in the military is highly unfortunate. The bottom line strider employs americans I respect that. I dont not like how cold steel is exporting knives to a communist country. Taiwan I could deal with Japan too but absolutely not a communist nation like china. I do my absolute best not too buy chinese made product , venzuelan product or any other product from a socialist/ communist nation. Back to the point mick strider makes more of a contribution to america, and that should make up for any other issues.
 
true but it really does come down to honesty and every maker should be honest and every maker can find some other maker whos knife looks similar i mean emerson did not make the first tanto or chisel grind blade so around the world we go.
 
This further dragging up old issues about Mr. Srtider has proved that Mr. Thompson has accomplished his intended purpose and those of you who have posted it here,again, have helped him in Spades.

I find it as deplorable as Mr. Thompson's Website.

You can call Mr. Strider anything you want. It does not change the fact that he has made a Success of his life and has a prospering business.

All else is not relevant.

I never had any doubts about my original statement about not buying any Cold Steel Product but this conduct redoubles and affirms my feelings that there is no part in my life for a Cold Steel Product.

Respectfully,

Jim
 
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