Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

I am willing to forgive a man who owns up to what he did, and is honestly ready to move on. HOWEVER, Mick's latest use of the English language and use of A2 steel on his custom knives speaks volumes to me. I haven't read the entire thread, and I'm sorry if this was brought up before, but Mick is no gentleman, and if you're going to spew out the word honor every 30 seconds, find a dictionary, and figure out what it really means, and then live the word to it's fullest, not just when it's convenient for you.
 
OilMan said:
Where'd you see that about switching steel?
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Doesn't really matter. This thread tends to merge facts with assumptions, rumor and hearsay in about every other post. Funny that folks who deal in such can talk about honor.

On point though, I wasn't aware that custom knives were supposed to be made in just one steel. Guess I've been doing it wrong.

If it was marked as S30V and was actually A2 that would be a problem because Strider stamps their marks into their blades before heat treat (as opposed to electroetching after finishing). You can't stamp hardened steel so it can only be stamped before heat treat. IF it were marked S30V and was really A2, that would have been a SERIOUS problem for Paul Bos because the heat treating schedules for those two steels are very different, and the use of the wrong schedule would have resulted in a blade at substantially the wrong hardness. Since Paul hardness tests EVERY custom blade he does at least twice, I guess that would mean that Paul Bos is lying. Is that what you're accusing him of, Walking Man?

Are you questioning Paul Bos' honor, or should we question your own?
 
For someone railing about speculation, Jerry, you are doing some pretty heavy speculation on your own there. I don't see Walking Man saying that Mick Strider is using A2 and calling it S30V. If you are going to make comments on honor, speak on up though, I'd love to hear them.
 
I believe my second paragraph addressed that, as did the opening sentence of my own.

His statement "Mick's latest use of the English language and (emphasis mine) use of A2 steel on his custom knives speaks volumes to me," does indeed suggest there is a claim that something's wrong with Mick using A2, wouldn't you say? Why is that speculative? It's hardly a leap of faith to get from one to the other. Even so, I suggest you read all my words, including the opening word of my third paragraph. It's "IF."

If "speculative" is your concern, I suggest you reread and correct half the posts in this thread.
 
My concern is that you make this wild ass conclusion about Paul Bos lying to cover up for Mick off of something where that isn't said at all. Walking Man thinks Mick Strider's use of A2 is (somehow) a bad thing. I don't understand why just yet, because I haven't gotten the details, nor have you unless they've been posted elsewhere. They certainly haven't been posted in this thread, as far as I can see, right?

So, I'd suggest you save the vitriol and the rest until Walking Man actually explains what he meant. I, for one, would like to hear it. After that, feel free to offer a rebuttal, but accusing him of saying Bos is a liar is out there. He's not saying Paul Bos did anything wrong. He's saying he feels that Mick Strider's actions & words don't match up.
 
"Mick's latest use of the English language and (emphasis mine) use of A2 steel on his custom knives speaks volumes to me,"

How else would you read this? Perhaps I misunderstood. Nonetheless, all of my above statements were conditional or questions.

Kevin, you really need to read ALL the words, like IF, the asking of questions, and discussion of the consequences IF a blade were mislabelled, one of the consequences being that Paul Bos would have to be complicit in the deceit IF a blade were mislabelled since he would surely know that.

I DID NOT ACCUSE HIM OF CALLING PAUL BOS A LIAR. Read the words. "Since Paul hardness tests EVERY custom blade he does at least twice, I guess that would mean that Paul Bos is lying. Is that what you're accusing him of, Walking Man?"

"I guess that would mean..." (a conditioned statement)

"Is that what you're accusing him of, Walking Man?" (a question)

LOTS of speculation in your own posts Kevin.
 
If Jerry doesn't mind I'd still like to see where this came from?:p Also, is this for fixed and folders or one or the other? TIA
 
Okay.....
I COULD have my facts wrong, BUT:
Here's a couple of Mick Strider's customs
http://cgi.ebay.com/MSC-Mick-Stride...099036073QQcategoryZ43325QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I have no proof that these weren't custom ordered.
HOWEVER..... Just like Lynn Thompsom claiming AUS8 is a supersteel and then using other steels, I find it POSSIBLY hypocritical of Strider to claim that S30V is the ultimate steel and then go on to use other steels.
HOWEVER, Unlike CS, Strider is not a massive production shop, and since it's custom I guess anything goes.
I admit that I am biased, because I find Mick to be abrasive and crude. Opinions only. Probably time to move on.
 
Jerry Hossom said:
"Mick's latest use of the English language and (emphasis mine) use of A2 steel on his custom knives speaks volumes to me,"

How else would you read this? Perhaps I misunderstood. Nonetheless, all of my above statements were conditional or questions.
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I read that as
1. He doesn't like the way Mick Strider uses the English language, and
2. He doesn't like Mick Strider using A2, and
3. That behavior (along with other factors) speaks volumes to him.

Jerry Hossom said:
Kevin, you really need to read ALL the words, like IF, the asking of questions, and discussion of the consequences IF a blade were mislabelled, one of the consequences being that Paul Bos would have to be complicit in the deceit IF a blade were mislabelled since he would surely know that.
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Please cite for me any text where Walking Man says "mislabeled".

Jerry Hossom said:
I DID NOT ACCUSE HIM OF CALLING PAUL BOS A LIAR. Read the words. "Since Paul hardness tests EVERY custom blade he does at least twice, I guess that would mean that Paul Bos is lying. Is that what you're accusing him of, Walking Man?"

"I guess that would mean..." (a conditioned statement)

"Is that what you're accusing him of, Walking Man?" (a question)
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Wow, that's some backpedalling. Jerry, you flipped out, went on a rant about how he's somehow saying Paul Bos is complicit in some unmentioned blade mislabeling scheme, and now you are saying none of that happened? C'mon dude. Don't blame him for your wacky behavior or projecting. The whole Paul Bos, blade mislabeling, etc came from you reading into his posts what wasn't there.

Jerry Hossom said:
LOTS of speculation in your own posts Kevin.
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Difference is I'm actually trying to find answers, Jerry. Plus, I'm willing to correct any mistakes borne out through discussion. I'm not sticking my fingers in my ears and going "la la la la la la la I can't hear you!" when presented with something that contradicts my beliefs.
 
Walking Man said:
HOWEVER..... Just like Lynn Thompsom claiming AUS8 is a supersteel and then using other steels, I find it POSSIBLY hypocritical of Strider to claim that S30V is the ultimate steel and then go on to use other steels.
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Walking Man,

If a customer ordered the knives to be made with A2 and someone makes them with A2, it doesn't mean the maker believes the steel choice is better. Mr. Strider even uses non-steel metals to make some of his knives (some have been seen in titanium, Stellite, and Talonite).
 
Plus, is S30V really all that great on a large fixed blade as compared to a folder? I have no problem with Mick changing his steel choice on fixed blades if he thinks it's better. Not sure what the big deal is.:confused: YMMV
 
Walking Man said:
I find it POSSIBLY hypocritical of Strider to claim that S30V is the ultimate steel and then go on to use other steels.
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no it's not.
I know full well that there are far better steels out that make a better knife than my 5160....but that is only one part of the design.

The price of things, the amount of material on hand, the time it takes to work different designs, and the tooling needs of different steels all point me back to just keeping 5160 and 52100 as my main steels.

Im not saying that 52100 is 'better" than SA30V but it still makes a darn good knife!
To say guys like me who only use 52100 are acting "hypocritical" is just too wide a net to cast.
 
Kevin, I don't think you're trying to find answers. They certainly aren't to be found in quoting me out of context, nor in your speculation what Walking man meant or what I meant. In fact you too are speculating about what was meant, even after Walking Man admitted he was speculating on the conditions that Mick used A2 and on its relative merits. Perhaps he doesn't know that some (Strider, myself and others) believe a tough stainless is more appropriate for military knives and thus use S30V. Customs, which these knives certainly are, are another matter altogether.

I hardly "flipped out", nor was I "on a rant", nor did I say he said anything about Paul Bos.

Reading comprehension seems to be the primary problem here.

Relax Kevin, you're getting far too emotionally commited to this, and I believe your subjectivity is showing through.
 
Jerry Hossom said:
Kevin, I don't think you're trying to find answers. They certainly aren't to be found in quoting me out of context, nor in your speculation what Walking man meant or what I meant. In fact you too are speculating about what was meant, even after Walking Man admitted he was speculating on the conditions that Mick used A2 and on its relative merits. Perhaps he doesn't know that some (Strider, myself and others) believe a tough stainless is more appropriate for military knives and thus use S30V. Customs, which these knives certainly are, are another matter altogether.
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Jerry, please. You took him saying he didn't approve of Mick Strider using A2 and turned it into a walk down fantasy lane where somehow Walking Man was accusing Mick Strider and Paul Bos of mislabeling steel. Again, please cite him using the words "mislabel" or anything remotely like that, IOW back up your points. Stop strawmanning. As for "out of context" what context was this entire bizarre "Paul Bos & Mick Strider are mislabeling knives! RAWR!" questioning come from?

Jerry Hossom said:
I hardly "flipped out", nor was I "on a rant", nor did I say he said anything about Paul Bos.
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Ahem "Are you questioning Paul Bos' honor" ring a bell?

Jerry Hossom said:
Reading comprehension seems to be the primary problem here.
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Jerry, for someone that apparrently read "mislabeled" into 4 pretty easy words, please don't lecture me on reading comprehension.

Jerry Hossom said:
Relax Kevin, you're getting far too emotionally commited to this, and I believe your subjectivity is showing through.
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For someone who turned "use of A2 steel on his custom knives" into "Are you questioning Paul Bos' honor, or should we question your own?", I'd say you are the one who needs to breath a bit. But, hey, if you think my telling you to chill out and give the vitriol a rest before jumping all over Walking Man is me being too emotionally committed to this, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'd suggest you reread all of my words. ;)
 
As I posted earlier. Why not just close this down and let the people who are actually involved in the problem get it settled or worked out. This is going nowhere and is creating friction among members. Let's get back to making knives and trading info.
 
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