Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

No problem. I won't be back to this post, so you won't have to worry about keeping both ears to the ground.
 
Tom Militano said:
As I posted earlier. Why not just close this down and let the people who are actually involved in the problem get it settled or worked out. This is going nowhere and is creating friction among members. Let's get back to making knives and trading info.
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that has come up, and spark has stated he does not like to close threads.

nothing wrong with discussion, or disagreement. this has gotten pretty heated at times, and nearly everyone has an opinion.

ive sifted through the thread and found some details i find interesting, and some i couldnt care less about.

this topic has come up repeatedly in various areas, and isnt likely to go away whether spark closes this thread or not.
 
How can anyone feel good about a knife company that has a picture of a guy behind bars saying that Strider is a criminal, so Strider may have lied not really as big of a deal as posting it as the selling point for every tactical POS you sell.
 
I have looked at all the information,,,I have went to the links, I have seen what people have said..

Gosh this is over such a silly thing...

On the other hand, on this forum I have watched as people just seem unable to get control of their anger.
Their reputations suffer...anger builds on anger...Noone cares what the other guy is saying because everyone just quotes posts as a means to use them against each other.

But, as always I have to add.
That there is about only one way for this to be put in the past.
And thats for people to just decide to 'forgive" and seek to help the very people that are so angry with each other at this time...
 
SIFU1A said:
imho this has gone way past the "fogive & forget " stage.
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The tongue is a poor master.
The tongue is a poor member of the body to place in control of one's life.
We should never believe that our tongues have taken us so far down a road that we are forever lost to it.

There is no such thing as being unable to forgive, because at it's heart the concept of forgiveness has little if anything at all to do with the person you are going to forgive.

It's a choice you can always make, wherein you decide that the past actions of others, (yes, as hurtfull as they may be to you and others) are no longer going to be in control of your own actions and your own future.

Some think that they dare not even think to forgive another, because they have the fear that to forgive is to give up control.
But thats wrong.

To forgive means that you take back control of your heart from a situation that had held you bound for too long.
 
diceman said:
Well... Is there any truth to it? Can that $30 blade come close to competing? Not saying that its 'Right,' but if they are even remotely comparable, I'd probably spend the $30 there and the rest of my "blade budget" somewhere else... There was definately a low blow though, at the end of the paragraph. That wasn't really needed...
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I don't know about these. But I have a top end strider made by buck.
that is as good or better than the strider strider that I just got rid of.
to much BS with strider knives.:jerkit:
 
Let's try to distill truth from all of this.

1. What Cold Steel says on the web page is true.

2. That he should not have said it on the web page is true.

3. That the Cold Steel knife looks very much like the Strider knife is true.

4. That Strider knives are tough and well made is true.

5. That Strider knives are overpriced for what they are is true.

The "rip off" issue for me is fairly meaningless simply because you can go back through history and find similar shapes and handle styles for about everything manufactured today in the knife industry. Personally, I think it is nearly impossible to design a knife that doesn't look like some other knife from the past. Some new knife designs tend to play more to differentiation than to practicality. Some of the new designs are truly awful simply to look different. I think people are probably better off worrying about the performance and value of a knife than they are with the "rip-off" issue.

Value is in the eye of the buyer, not the opinions of strangers on the internet. One decides for one's self what something is worth and how much value it has for one's self. There are many, many factors that play into the issue of value and some of them are purely subjective. There is nothing wrong with that. In other words there isn't any right wrong in the world of value. There are only people and different people see things differently. Either knife is a good choice for someone and a better choice than the other for someone.

It's hard being a knife knut. There are just too many things to worry about. It is easier to be a knife consumer. You just buy what works for you.
 
Knife Outlet said:
It's hard being a knife knut. There are just too many things to worry about. It is easier to be a knife consumer. You just buy what works for you.
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Since some believe this thread centers around honor and not character assassination, I'm wondering Mr Knife Outlet if it's also easier to have a commercial selling link in your profile without having paid BF for the priviledge and that you also sell Cold Steel knives as well as other Strider competitors?

I guess that falls under the heading of flexible principles... :rolleyes:
 
All this Strider bashing has really given me an appetite for more Strider knives. I took delivery of 4 this weekend.

I don't condone what Mick Strider has done, but I'm not going to let it affect my passion for cool knives.

whitie
 
Jerry Hossom said:
Since some believe this thread centers around honor and not character assassination, I'm wondering Mr Knife Outlet if it's also easier to have a commercial selling link in your profile without having paid BF for the priviledge and that you also sell Cold Steel knives as well as other Strider competitors?

I guess that falls under the heading of flexible principles... :rolleyes:
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jerry

i posted the questions below a while back and got very little response.

you have posted very strong sentiments on these threads. i have always liked you and admire you sticking up for a friend

it would seem you feel this stuff is about "character assasination" and not honor

so i am asking you directly


do you believe mick strider's account of his military time? (including his stated medical problems and what happened afterwards)

do you believe he was in combat?

do you believe his account of his arrest and the account of his plea bargain/sentencing? (specifically mick striders own words about the "mogadishu" plea agreement and his account of his arrest and activities with those "hard hitters")
 
You seem to forget Doc that I have the advantage of discussing these things directly with Mick in person, and have been able to look in his eyes as we spoke. Yes, I trust him implicitly. On the important issues, yes I believe him completely. He remains and always will remain my friend. In fact it amazes me that so few here understand the meaning of friendship and that those who know Mick as a real person and not a person defined by his enemies are completely loyal to him and remain his friend. That I might observe includes a LOT of present and former military people who have well defined records of military achievement in addition to their considerable stature within the military community. Perhaps those who really know Mick and are best capable of taking the measure of the man are fooled and those who don't know him or his character are better able to judge.

You don't think that this whole thing has anything to do with the fact that most of the antagonism in this drama originated with and has been promulgated by Strider competitors?

I'm not sure what your questions have to do with my post above, except to note that questions of honor seems to be pointed at some and not others.

I might also point out that the history book on which this is based has a great many pages missing. Wonder what they would tell us...?
 
bandaidman said:
jerry

i posted the questions below a while back and got very little response.

you have posted very strong sentiments on these threads. i have always liked you and admire you sticking up for a friend

it would seem you feel this stuff is about "character assasination" and not honor

so i am asking you directly


do you believe mick strider's account of his military time? (including his stated medical problems and what happened afterwards)

do you believe he was in combat?

do you believe his account of his arrest and the account of his plea bargain/sentencing? (specifically mick striders own words about the "mogadishu" plea agreement and his account of his arrest and activities with those "hard hitters")
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Bandaidman, Jerry is not going to answer you. Mick has lied enough that no one in his right mind is going to try to back up all of Mick's lies. Guys like Jerry are only standing up for a friend, and they won't get into a "lie by lie" debate of facts.

We've seen this sort of thing many times in politics, where faults are quickly forgiven and then ignored completely. Look at Billary's behavior when her husband, then running for President, was confronted with multiple "allegations" of adultary. Billary agressively leaped to his defense, ignoring her husband's shameful behavior and instead spinning the discussion to blame his troubles on the "right wing minority". Senseless, but effective.

whitie
 
Well, I believe I did answer those questions. I did so in one sentence, which I thought was sufficient.

Comparing me with Billary is not a whole lot different than what has been said in most of this thread.
 
Jerry Hossom said:
Since some believe this thread centers around honor and not character assassination, I'm wondering Mr Knife Outlet if it's also easier to have a commercial selling link in your profile without having paid BF for the priviledge and that you also sell Cold Steel knives as well as other Strider competitors?

I guess that falls under the heading of flexible principles... :rolleyes:
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That's a strange comment from someone who has a link in his signature as well, Mr. Jerry. I'll remove my link if you remove yours and if everyone else removes links in their signatures. Fair enough?

What have I said, by the way, that is untrue? How do the products I sell or don't sell relate to anything I said here? How can you construe anything I said as a character assasination of anyone? Sounds to me like you are engaging in character assasination for some strange reason.

I'm not a competitor of Strider. Actually, I think you are, aren't you?
 
I'd be happy to remove mine, though I have paid for a knifemaker membership and am entitled to keep it there. Well, there is also that matter of I've stopped taking orders and haven't done so in a couple years, though I have accommodated a few deployed military.

You do sell Cold Steel knives as well as other Strider competitors, do you not? That's what this thread is about.

As for my competing with Strider, see A above as well as note that for three years at the Blade show we shared a booth as well as I have a forum on the Strider forum site, where I also don't take orders for knives.

I was speaking of honor. Character assassination is when you don't have proof of what you're saying. Noting you have not paid for a commercial membership and have a link on your site are facts. Rather different wouldn't you say?
 
No character assissination involves lying. I didn't tell any lies. Truthfully, I wasn't aware that it is unacceptable to have a link in a signature without paying for it. I've had the link there since 1998 and nobody every said anything to me about it. I went to the User CP to remove it but I couldn't find the function to do that. Perhaps someone will explain to me how to do it.

I will do you one more favor. I see that you are now designing knives for manufacturers. As soon as I eliminate my inventory of knives designed by you, I will remove them from my site so that you will no longer have to have your income affected by a cretin like me. As soon as I have succeeded at removing my signature then you and I can part company quietly. Anything else you need from me?
 
Knife Outlet, I don't think there is a rule against you having your website link in your profile, even if you are a dealer. That is something that would have to be commented upon by those in charge. However, it would certainly look better if you were to at least get a Platinum membership to show support for a forum that is likely getting you business.

As far as removing the link is concerned, go to your user CP and click on Edit Profile. Then scroll down to Home Page URL and remove what is there.
 
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