Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

[Keith Montgomery]

Also, after you have removed what is there, don't forget to go to the bottom of the page and click on Save Changes.

Edit: Sorry, I see that you have already done this.

 

[Ruzster]

jerry . . . so i am asking you directly . . . do you believe mick strider's account of his military time? (including his stated medical problems and what happened afterwards)

. . . Yes, I trust him implicitly. . . .yes I believe him completely.

do you believe he was in combat?

. . . Yes, I trust him implicitly. . . .yes I believe him completely.

do you believe his account of his arrest and the account of his plea bargain/sentencing? (specifically mick striders own words about the "mogadishu" plea agreement and his account of his arrest and activities with those "hard hitters")

. . . Yes, I trust him implicitly. . . .yes I believe him completely.

He remains and always will remain my friend.

Your position seems pretty clear to me, Jerry. If for no other reason, a guy's gotta admire the fierce loyality and devotion the man seems to consistently inspire among his close friends. (all due respect)

 

[Jerry Hossom]

As soon as I eliminate my inventory of knives designed by you, I will remove them from my site so that you will no longer have to have your income affected by a cretin like me. As soon as I have succeeded at removing my signature then you and I can part company quietly. Anything else you need from me?

No, I think that would be fine.

 

[Knife Outlet]

Knife Outlet, I don't think there is a rule against you having your website link in your profile, even if you are a dealer. That is something that would have to be commented upon by those in charge. However, it would certainly look better if you were to at least get a Platinum membership to show support for a forum that is likely getting you business.

As far as removing the link is concerned, go to your user CP and click on Edit Profile. Then scroll down to Home Page URL and remove what is there.

That did the job. Thanks. Actually, I don't view BF as a place to do business. For me it is just a knife knut thing. I think I will re-register under another name and stop posting with this one. Life has enough controversy without adding it to my recreation.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I think I will re-register under another name and stop posting with this one. Life has enough controversy without adding it to my recreation.

For $10.00 you can get the user name on your current account changed without needing to start up a new one.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194728

 

[wolfmann601]

*snipped

I will do you one more favor. I see that you are now designing knives for manufacturers. As soon as I eliminate my inventory of knives designed by you, I will remove them from my site so that you will no longer have to have your income affected by a cretin like me. As soon as I have succeeded at removing my signature then you and I can part company quietly. Anything else you need from me?

Now that statement is childish. Is this where we have ended up in the great Mick Strider Saga??

Too bad Mick isn't a politician, all this shiit would sell books!!!

 

[Esav Benyamin]

This gets crazier all the time.

Mick Strider does wrong and his partisans scan the web looking for detractors to mutilate. Guys, burning down your neighbor's house doesn't make your own shack look any better.

It is not character assassination to post documentary evidence of misconduct. The truth of that evidence is not affected by the poster's business or history with Strider. Throwing around words like "honor" or "integrity" does not eliminate the evidence, either, however much it may distract for the moment.

That a thread that began as a criticism of the questionable practices of a Strider competitor should devolve again into a criticism of Mick Strider is a sorry comment on Mick Strider's own reputation.

In that sense, his defenders are his worst enemies and his own silence is the more dignified and effective response.

Wasted words, I know ... you don't know how to let it go.

 

[Jerry Hossom]

Nor do you, Esav.

 

[horseclover]

Would I be missing much if I didn't read the whole thing? I did get through about half of it last month and then got distracted by other related keggers. I guess I should go back a few pages and try to keep up.

Cheers

GC

 

[roughedges]

Nor do you, Esav.

Come on. EB makes his 3rd (or so) post amongst 100+ pages of this mess and he can't let it go? I suppose anyone who can stand to read the truth typed, including friends and admirers, has a problem letting things go as well.


horseclover: you're a little behind the times, man. In the past few weeks there's been at least two or more threads that devolved like this one did. I stopped counting to be honest, might even be a half dozen.

 

[tanto]

He remains and always will remain my friend. In fact it amazes me that so few here understand the meaning of friendship and that those who know Mick as a real person and not a person defined by his enemies are completely loyal to him and remain his friend.

That I cannot understand... He must be very good at manipulating peoples mind. But then - crooks usually are "nice" guys.. right?

 

[OilMan]

Now that statement is childish. Is this where we have ended up in the great Mick Strider Saga??

Too bad Mick isn't a politician, all this shiit would sell books!!!

He was going to pretend that he bought some Striders because of all this but someone told him it's already been done.

 

[wolfmann601]

That I cannot understand... He must be very good at manipulating peoples mind. But then - crooks usually are "nice" guys.. right?

You obviously do not know Jerry Hossom at all. NO ONE manipulates him, no one...............................

Now Mick is a Crook, what a jump from a bullshiit artist. Where is the proof of this, I am curious.........................

 

[bandaidman]

You seem to forget Doc that I have the advantage of discussing these things directly with Mick in person, and have been able to look in his eyes as we spoke. Yes, I trust him implicitly. On the important issues, yes I believe him completely. He remains and always will remain my friend. In fact it amazes me that so few here understand the meaning of friendship and that those who know Mick as a real person and not a person defined by his enemies are completely loyal to him and remain his friend. That I might observe includes a LOT of present and former military people who have well defined records of military achievement in addition to their considerable stature within the military community. Perhaps those who really know Mick and are best capable of taking the measure of the man are fooled and those who don't know him or his character are better able to judge.

You don't think that this whole thing has anything to do with the fact that most of the antagonism in this drama originated with and has been promulgated by Strider competitors?

I'm not sure what your questions have to do with my post above, except to note that questions of honor seems to be pointed at some and not others.

I might also point out that the history book on which this is based has a great many pages missing. Wonder what they would tell us...?

jerry, i am well aware that personal and commercial conflicts have a role in this

but you must also realize that a lot of this mick strider has brought on himself. he posts a lot about honor etc and he seems to take umbrage when his views are challenged. many of the issues here derive from mick striders own words in such situations

you say there are many missing pages...that is true. when you provide partial or hard-to-believe material in your own defense it raises more questions than it answers


so ....do you consider these questions and the issues they raise "important issues" or not

do you believe mick strider's account of his military time? (including his stated medical problems and what happened afterwards)

do you believe he was in combat?

do you believe his account of his arrest and the account of his plea bargain/sentencing? (specifically mick striders own words about the "mogadishu" plea agreement and his account of his arrest and activities with those "hard hitters")

 

[Knife Outlet]

Now that statement is childish. Is this where we have ended up in the great Mick Strider Saga??

Too bad Mick isn't a politician, all this shiit would sell books!!!

Certainly not more childish than attacking and insulting me when I've never even written his name let alone talked about him on the internet. If you have a problem with my choosing what I sell and don't sell, that's fine. But it doesn't affect my decisions about what I sell and don't sell. Sorry.

 

[Jerry Hossom]

I gave you your answer Doc; it seems not to have satisfied you.

I believe what you are hung up on is some naivete on Mick's part in presenting what he believes, rightly or wrongly, to be exculpatory evidence. That his attorney's weasel words are not of much use as a legal argument, and Mick's belief in its value and posting of same depends on Mick's judgement of their merit. The lawyer's note is silent on issues of attorney/client discussions, as it must be knowing such would be used in a public discussion. What in fact was the understanding between attorney and client as well as between attorney and prosecutor? Who knows the answer to that? Where did the misrepresentation occur? That his arguments regarding the facts as he knows them are ignored, because he has presented them poorly is not evidence they are factually incorrect.

There is just no question there is sufficient doubt concerning some aspects of this that concluding everything said in this forum somehow carries greater weight than what is said elsewhere is nonsense. There is also some hypocracy in the belief that Spark commands fewer and less rabid supporters here than Mick does elsewhere.

If your think about it, there is something to be learned in the fact that Mick's supporters have come here to argue his case and offer support while few or none from here have done the same in support of Spark's position elsewhere. None here seem willing to speak with Mick directly at the Blade show, arguing without any evidence to support it they would be at some personal risk in doing so. That would seem to be an indictment of larcenous intent on the part of those who support Mick and might be at his booth when they visit. I think there is little doubt that constitutes guilt by association.

And for those of you who don't believe an attack on a friend is in fact an attack on yourself, I pity you.

 

[Spark]

That his arguments regarding the facts as he knows them are ignored, because he has presented them poorly is not evidence they are factually incorrect.

True enough, poor presentation is not the same as factually incorrect. Deliberate misrepresentation, on the other hand... furthermore, there's a big difference between "offer" and "agreement". If I offer you $1 for a $1000 knife, it is not the same as saying "we agreed you'd build me a $1000 for $1 and you changed your mind in court!"

There is just no question there is sufficient doubt concerning some aspects of this that concluding everything said in this forum somehow carries greater weight than what is said elsewhere is nonsense. There is also some hypocracy in the belief that Spark commands fewer and less rabid supporters here than Mick does elsewhere.

You'll have to cite that I have any "rabid supporters" - I certainly haven't been "rallying the troops" about this. The difference between what's said on this forum, however, and what's said elsewhere, is that I'm not banning people for discussing this issue. If you think that's so elsewhere, you are deluding yourself.

If your think about it, there is something to be learned in the fact that Mick's supporters have come here to argue his case and offer support while few or none from here have done the same in support of Spark's position elsewhere.

I don't recall asking anyone to go elsewhere to support me, Jerry. Try not to speculate, correllation is not causation. Furthermore, I have seen some threads on this subject brought up elsewhere. They were deleted, or edited. People were banned. So, please, don't act like it's just occurring here.

None here seem willing to speak with Mick directly at the Blade show, arguing without any evidence to support it they would be at some personal risk in doing so. That would seem to be an indictment of larcenous intent on the part of those who support Mick and might be at his booth when they visit. I think there is little doubt that constitutes guilt by association.

I'm sorry, but speaking directly with Mick Strider doesn't guarantee any accuracy. If anything, he's the last person to speak directly with, given the inconsistencies his stories have had thus far. If he's willing to provide hard data to back up his claims, that's one thing, but so far his credibility in this issue is just about gone.

And for those of you who don't believe an attack on a friend is in fact an attack on yourself, I pity you.

I disagree. Unless you think that you are guilty by association (which is your own burden to bear), every man is responsible for their own actions, and possibly those of their subordinates.

 

[wolfmann601]

Certainly not more childish than attacking and insulting me when I've never even written his name let alone talked about him on the internet. If you have a problem with my choosing what I sell and don't sell, that's fine. But it doesn't affect my decisions about what I sell and don't sell. Sorry.

I don't care what you sell. It was your comment I found childish.

And I still do....................... sorry

 

[penls]

:thumbdn: funny how Lynn says in his strider article that he always thought of striders as "sharpened bars of steel wrapped with 40 cents of paracord"

yet apparently he likes the design enough to clone it


wuts up wit dat Lynn

 

[Jerry Hossom]

Kevin, your responses are a whole lot like someone else who haunts these forums.

How do you distinguish between poor presentation and misrepresentation when the issue remains contested?

By virtue of your position here you do indeed have those who will support your every position against outsiders. To think otherwise is naive.

I didn't say you asked anyone to go anywhere. I was observing that none have chosen to do it on their own. Correct that, I do know of one. He is now of a different mind than when he arrived at that other place.

I think speaking directly to Mick has a couple benefits. It allows the individual to meet Mick and gain a general sense of him as an individual. I would think that anyone who frequents internets forums is well aware of the unintentional distortions and misunderstandings that so easily arise and can create animosity where none may otherwise occur. Secondly, it allows Mick to meet his accusers and form his own opinion of the individuals who are attacking him. It is also is the decent way of accusing someone of what you perceive to be dishonest and fraudulent.

As for attitudes regarding the relationship and common bond with friends, I stand by what I said above. I do indeed pity anyone who has not experienced such a friendship.