Cold steel tri ad lock vs Spyderco compression lock (stonger lock)

Ankerson said:
I think on both the blades or the handles would break before the locks failed....
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Agreed 100% I greatly enjoy my Spartan and I'd say it is way overbuilt to just be a knife- unnecessarily so...

Also I'd have to agree with throwing is a major abuse for folding knives- locks fail easily from that..
 
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cziv said:
So you're still at the cutting with different steels eh? :) Doesn't it get hard on your hands after many thousands of cuts?

Well I appreciate your feedback from your cutting and categorization. I think I have that page saved to my favorites. It would be nice if you put it in your signature line too! :thumbup:
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Yes, that is a never ending task. :eek:

Gotten to the point of recording data on different thickness behind the edges and other things to see how much effect it has and it does have a lot. It's a constant process, learning more all the time about how the different steels react.

Have had some OMG moments in the process.

I have cut a lot of rope and cardboard in the process and wood too depending.
 
Ankerson said:
Yes, that is a never ending task. :eek:

Gotten to the point of recording data on different thickness behind the edges and other things to see how much effect it has and it does have a lot. It's a constant process, learning more all the time about how the different steels react.

Have had some OMG moments in the process.

I have cut a lot of rope and cardboard in the process and wood too depending.
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I hear ya. Thanks for the work Jim. :thumbup:
 
singularity35 said:
If as you say that both locks won't fail before the other components, then we might have reached that happy time when folders are stronger than fixed blades of the same dimensions.
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I see what your saying but Don't be surprised about that and good luck to anyone that tries to make a spartan fail with spine whacks.Especially those little spine whacks that I have seen people do on there folders.
 
They are probably very similar when it comes to lock strength. The compression lock is ingenious from an engineering standpoint. So simple in its construction yet so strong and reliable. I dont think sal gets the credit he deserves for designing such a brilliant lock because it does look very simple but thats what sets it apart from the triad lock imo. Best possible performance in the least amount of parts.
 
Nternal said:
I see what your saying but Don't be surprised about that and good luck to anyone that tries to make a spartan fail with spine whacks.Especially those little spine whacks that I have seen people do on there folders.
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As much as I want to try and make it fail that way- I think I'll loose something when it does... Even with gloves on- that be alot of force being unleashed at once with alot of leverage
 
XanRa said:
As much as I want to try and make it fail that way- I think I'll loose something when it does... Even with gloves on- that be alot of force being unleashed at once with alot of leverage
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I meant good luck as in I think it would be hard to make it fail that way, I have tested a few folders including the spartan and the lock never failed but I did break the tip off and some chips out of the blade. This was doing things far worse than spine whacks like lateral bending in a tree stump,stabbing into concrete and whacking against concrete. I know, stupid idea and a waste of money but I wanted to see how much it could take. I couldn't make it fail.
 
Tri-ad may be strong like bull, but the two times I've handled Cold Steel Recon folders with this lock, they did not open smoothly and were a beast to unlock. Granted, the lock might smooth out over time, but I'm not patient enough when I've spent that kind of money.
 
DougB2 said:
Tri-ad may be strong like bull, but the two times I've handled Cold Steel Recon folders with this lock, they did not open smoothly and were a beast to unlock. Granted, the lock might smooth out over time, but I'm not patient enough when I've spent that kind of money.
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My Recon 1 was like that but some lube and a few weeks of opening and closing straightened it out fine. You'll be fine in awhile I'm sure.
 
Nternal said:
I meant good luck as in I think it would be hard to make it fail that way, I have tested a few folders including the spartan and the lock never failed but I did break the tip off and some chips out of the blade. This was doing things far worse than spine whacks like lateral bending in a tree stump,stabbing into concrete and whacking against concrete. I know, stupid idea and a waste of money but I wanted to see how much it could take. I couldn't make it fail.
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I doubt it would too- just saying when/if it did it wouldn't be pretty
 
Nternal said:
I meant good luck as in I think it would be hard to make it fail that way, I have tested a few folders including the spartan and the lock never failed but I did break the tip off and some chips out of the blade. This was doing things far worse than spine whacks like lateral bending in a tree stump,stabbing into concrete and whacking against concrete. I know, stupid idea and a waste of money but I wanted to see how much it could take. I couldn't make it fail.
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You should share videos of you doing those "tests".
 
KalEl said:
Why are people so obsessed with lock strength? The only lock I have ever had fail on me is the liner lock. Of all the lock backs, axis locks, arc locks, Ball bearing locks, compression locks, and Ti framelocks Ive used Ive never had one fail. If you are using your folder so hard that you are worried about the lock breaking just buy a fixed blade. I know that with all my knives the blade would probably break before the lock.
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Sage advice and well-said! :thumbup:

I don't care how strong a lock is supposed to be; I treat all my folders as if they had no lock at all. It is an added margin of safety and nothing more, imo. I won't risk my fingers to test a company's marketing veracity. There is a point when one should simply stop what they're doing, drop everything, and just go get the proper tool to finish the job safely.
 
I know with the CS, how much force the lock can take depends on what knife you have, the Spartan I know is overkill and I love it. Curiosity always gets the best of me and I was able to hang from the handle as it was placed in a clamp and I weigh about 240. Not interest in pulling out a calculator to figure out how many pounds per inch on the lock. I can't really think of a task where you would need that kind of strength. The Espada XL is supposed to be able to have 600 pounds hanging on the end and knife still be usable . I love the Tri-ad , even is worse case scenario where you do a lunging attack into someone with armor with plate you still will not get near enough force generated to even mild to moderate stress on the lock. How about this , don't try going for a over hand pike thrust on a M1 Abram and we should all still have our fingers and beautiful blades in tact!
 
singularity35 said:
I'd like to see that anyway. ;)
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I know brother but I can't spare another spartan because I actually edc my current one. But I really think you should grab one instead of the rajah and test it out yourself. You don't have to do anything over the top to damage the blade but just to test it's strength.
 
Michigan Fancyman said:
I know with the CS, how much force the lock can take depends on what knife you have, the Spartan I know is overkill and I love it. Curiosity always gets the best of me and I was able to hang from the handle as it was placed in a clamp and I weigh about 240. Not interest in pulling out a calculator to figure out how many pounds per inch on the lock. I can't really think of a task where you would need that kind of strength. The Espada XL is supposed to be able to have 600 pounds hanging on the end and knife still be usable . I love the Tri-ad , even is worse case scenario where you do a lunging attack into someone with armor with plate you still will not get near enough force generated to even mild to moderate stress on the lock. How about this , don't try going for a over hand pike thrust on a M1 Abram and we should all still have our fingers and beautiful blades in tact!
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The spartan can hold almost 500.. there is a video on youtube from "knifetests1" where Andrew Demko hangs 468lbs from the spartan and it doesn't fail.
 
Nternal said:
The spartan can hold almost 500.. there is a video on youtube from "knifetests1" where Andrew Demko hangs 468lbs from the spartan and it doesn't fail.
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Somehow, I'd like to see videos from disinterested parties.

But notice we are doing it again and hijacking this thread? I'm outa here.
 
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