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Cold Steel VS Zero Tolerance
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LadyEarth
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I never said it was inherently flawed. I merely stated that it is the weakest link in the whole knife itself. Since humans are the setter of the linear locks in factories, it is easy to see how all the linear locks will not be created equal, thus providing more chances of defective linear locks like my ZT 200. But even then, the linear locks can degrade over time and cease to fully function correctly, putting owners at risk.
My point is that the design of the linear lock itself opens itself up too often to possible defectiveness due to the way it has to be set in factory as well as over time usage. It is harder to have the tri-lock be defective due to it's design.
Like someone in the air force once told me, the more complicated and sophisticated the hardware, the more likely something will go wrong. (Which is why they spend billions to prevent such by trying to fine tune every possible design for the most minimal chance of something going wrong over time)
I dunno. Still trying to figure out in what universe an Opinel can out cut every single knife Cold Steel makes. We may need Stephen Hawking for this one.
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ZT has made limited editions that are superior. Please stop trying to grasp at a point. It's just getting old at this point. As I said like fifty pages ago, if you love Cold Steels, then love you some Cold Steels. But acting like their lock makes them better, or that the majority of their plastic handle knives with their lower price point steel makes them better than higher end materials and higher end steels is just...well, it's stupid. Sorry. I am running out of polite ways to say that you don't know what you're talking about.
It's clear that we have been trolled by Lynn's Cold Roll Patrol. Enjoy your inexpensive imported knives, folks.
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So the reason you're a hater of certain locks is because you believe it will somehow save everyone else from their inferior knives? Maybe the hundreds of thousands of people using their "linear" locks and framelocks everyday can decide for themselves what they need in order to be safe?
Just a thought
You're missing the whole point of this thread apparently.
Not everyone will use the knives of theirs for moderately to hard use but when they do, that is when issues comes up as it did for me and some other members in here.
People in here seems to love being overly dramatic. But again par for course when slicing-fanbois comes into the threads telling everyone that knives are only for cutting and nothing else, not even to save a life such as via prying a car door open to save a person's life (Jerry of Busse knives once did).
It's like watching the looney toons in here.
I cant speak for Rick, but Mick and Duane are still going with the whole BS "I was an Operator" marketing strategy, as well as continuing to exploit 2 war heroes by naming a knife after them (Which ironically enough, came out only a couple of months after Blackhawk Down)
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You're missing the whole point of this thread apparently.
Not everyone will use the knives of theirs for moderately to hard use but when they do, that is when issues comes up as it did for me and some other members in here.
People in here seems to love being overly dramatic. But again par for course when slicing-fanbois comes into the threads telling everyone that knives are only for cutting and nothing else, not even to save a life such as via prying a car door open to save a person's life (Jerry of Busse knives once did).
It's like watching the looney toons in here.
Sweet!!! Can you point us to where he told the story of using the Cold Steel to pry open that car door? What model was it? I bet it was a large Tuff Lite.
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We truly live in the golden age of knife mass production, if this much discussion is being generated about quality products that would have been considered state of the art 20 years ago, regardless of the lock type. How did we manage with slip joints for as long as we have as a species? How many severed fingers have been needlessly removed from their owners throughout human history before someone decided a folding knife needed a lock? 
Don't even bother Quiet. asdf12345 is obviously the hard use "expert" around these parts
The other day I spent a good long while battling him over whether one example of a broken Contego backspacer after dropping meant that the model in general was not suitable for any type of hard use, ever.
For the record, I would take a ZT over a cold steel ANY day. I don't care about CS's ultra-tuff triad lock because I've never felt that hard use for a folder included spine whacks and batoning. Sure the extra stength is nice to have, but the majority of us live in reality, and are therefore capable of understanding that the supposedly "inferior" ZTs rarely ever fail under day to day hard use. This is because there are very very very few situations in which the knives would be brought to the point of failure while being used, and all of these would be considered abusive by the standards of any rational person. But you see, in the mind of the hard use "expert", everything is a matter of "what if?"s and hypotheticals, so their knives must be able to put holes in an engine block and fall out of a plane with no damage to even be worthy of pocket time.
Anyway........why exactly does this thread even exist? If OP wants to troll the ZT crowd, W&C is the only appropriate place for it. And if he just wants to congratulate himself for buying a CS, then he needs to GTFO of general and take it to the Cold steel subforum. That's what it's there for.
Seeing as it ISN'T in that particular subforum, and tries to make a comparison between two different knife companies to argue the inferiority of one that is very well liked by many here, makes me pretty damn sure this is a troll thread.
For your information, it was not one example but several examples of broken Contego backspacers over a span of years. Two or three more examples were added in that very thread you commented on. As mentioned before, the backspacer problems reported on forums are not representative of the number of problematic backspacers in existing knives, since not everyone frequents the forums or posts about their experiences, and because many knives aren't exposed to the usage that might cause the backspacer issue to surface. A "hard use" folder that can't be dropped from 3 feet because there's a chance that the scales' structural support might shatter? Yeah, hard use, sure. If you're looking for a hard use Benchmade folder, just avoid the risk by looking at another model that hasn't had any reported issues with its backspacer or standoffs in similar conditions.
As far as framelocks go, I think you may have the wrong idea about what I'm saying. I could not care less that the Triad can withstand 700 pounds of force before breaking. What I do care about is that there has not been a single report, ever, of a Triad lock failing from light taps, hand pressure, by twisting the knife in the grip, or from light prying work.
As somebody who actually uses knives heavily and typically carries ZT, I laughed at this.
Well, it either that, or the Elmax in my 0561 really sucked, and is supposed to chip when you sharpen it on a diamond rod....*shrugs* It was an early run though. The blade Kai replaced it with was better though. I take it that to you, the latter was the outlier.
Lynn has nothing to really do with the new Cold Steel Lines, other than marketing-Demko does. I don't own a single cold steel folder with plastic handles-unless you consider G10 and steel to be plastic. Also, again, please tell me what ZT knife can compare to a Demko 4-Max, or made to order AD-10. And are you telling me that Andrew Demko flies over seas to make a knife and then imports it back?
Sorry. I am running out of polite ways to say that you don't know what you're talking about.
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So your ONE knife means that every time ZT introduces a new steel they heat treat it wrong.
Totally logical. [sarc]
Please just keep posting. You're doing all the hard work for those who view the world objectively.
You're missing the whole point of this thread apparently.
Not everyone will use the knives of theirs for moderately to hard use but when they do, that is when issues comes up as it did for me and some other members in here.
People in here seems to love being overly dramatic. But again par for course when slicing-fanbois comes into the threads telling everyone that knives are only for cutting and nothing else, not even to save a life such as via prying a car door open to save a person's life (Jerry of Busse knives once did).
It's like watching the looney toons in here.
Nope, you're the one missing the point of this thread. The point of this thread was to bash ZT and glorify cold steels tri-ad lock. The "slicing fanbois"?? Lmfao! Yeah, screw those guys who think knives are for cutting! I want my folder capable of prying open car doors, OBVIOUSLY not for cutting!
Weird thing is, I was not the only one.
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...who doesn't have a metallurgy degree or did any true scientific testing?
I totally agree.
You're missing the whole point of this thread apparently.
Not everyone will use the knives of theirs for moderately to hard use but when they do, that is when issues comes up as it did for me and some other members in here.
People in here seems to love being overly dramatic. But again par for course when slicing-fanbois comes into the threads telling everyone that knives are only for cutting and nothing else, not even to save a life such as via prying a car door open to save a person's life (Jerry of Busse knives once did).
It's like watching the looney toons in here.
It's funny how the prybar crowd somehow thinks the one in a million chance of having to pry car doors with their folder is justification for adding it to everyone's list of necessary attributes
Buddy, Im not going to tell you how to live your life, or what to carry. But the simple fact is this: "knives" are meant to CUT. Can they be used as a last resort prybar if the time comes? Sure. So can a spoon. So can a screwdriver. But you see, these other two tools are not expected to do this. Everyone knows that they have their intended uses, namely to scoop and to drive screws.
Yet for some reason this isn't the case with knives. No no, based on few interesting stories of knives being used as a last resort for things other than cutting, the Rambos of the world have decided that knives should be able to do everything.
That is the most asinine, failed attempt at a counter response I have seen here. I don't need a metallurgy degree to know that my knife if not functioning as it's supposed to. Just like I don't need to be a meteorologist to know when it is raining outside.
One person in a thread makes a "crowd" to you?It's funny how the prybar crowd somehow thinks the one in a million chance of having to pry car doors with their folder is justification for adding it to everyone's list of necessary attributes
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