Cold Steel VS Zero Tolerance

[stabman]

Those situations are more common than you would think. It goes to show that linear locks needs to be redesigned

There's no such thing as a linear lock.
So it doesn't need to be redesigned.

 

[brancron]

I think Cold Steel and Zero Tolerance are both good! What do you say to that???

 

[asdf12345]

You said a whole lot of nothing just then.

I'm not going to continue that other argument here. I have repeatedly explained my reasoning and you continue to insist on being dense. Fine by me.

And who exactly cares if the Triad lock has never been reported as broken? You yourself brought up the fact that our worldview is skewed because not everyone's experiences are shared on this site, meaning that there could be plenty of knives breaking that just aren't being cried about here.

Any way you slice it, it's all just pure BS with a steaming side of retarded.

Just a reminder, calling someone dense and an indignant "Fine by me" doesn't make you correct.

And if you didn't want to continue that other argument here, why did you post a completely unrelated personal attack on me and bring my completely unrelated post into this thread?

Any folder whose major structural components - lock, blade, scales, standoff/backspacer - has a chance of breaking when it is dropped a couple of feet is not a hard use folder, and when this happens on a folder designed to be "hard use" it is especially insulting. I think several occurrences is plenty to establish the expectation that one might reasonably encounter a problem with the Contego's backspacer.

Who buys cold steels the most? (keep in mind the fact that the ones on this site are only a very small portion of their customer base) I'll tell you who: mall ninjas who've graduated from Budk and that sit around playing badass with them, and a bunch of cheap asses who certainly aren't knife enthusiasts or active members of online knife forums. Now ask yourself, how exactly would either of these situation result in BF-reported failures of triad locks? And not to mention the fact that the knives are not particularly expensive and normally wouldn't elicit an extreme reaction and subsequent whine session should they break under use, unlike something with more money and prestige behind it.

For someone who criticizes me for speculation, that sure is a much more speculative thing to say than anything I've ever posted. By your logic, immature man-babies who bought the knife specifically because it was marketed to them as "the strongest folding knife in the world" would just shrug it off completely if their Triad lock failed under hand pressure or from light prying. And they would not tell a single person about this. Also, according to you, people won't complain about failures on a $100 knife because it's not expensive and prestigious.

And even if there AREN'T any triad locks breaking, I still don't give a crap. I have no use for a lock that is that strong, and fail to see why CS fanboys insist its necessary for everyone unless they want to loose fingers.

Don't tell me, tell them. I never said the Triad is the one and only lock that is worth anything, or that you'll lose fingers if you don't use it. In fact I currently only own liner locks and front opening autos and I think there is nothing wrong or weak about them at all.

But you can bet if I needed a hard use folder then yes, it would be the Triad. Even if you're not a fanboy with unrealistic expectations, there's something to be said for having a bit of redundant strength for the sake of safety, as well as the assurance that you won't be taking the risk of the lock having an issue from the factory. Not to mention the added fact that the new XHP knives are much lighter and cheaper than most of the "hard use" knives on the market today.

 

[stabman]

I may have spent too much time here...I can tell what people are going to post just by looking at their screen-names now.

 

[J_Curd]

I may have spent too much time here...I can tell what people are going to post just by looking at their screen-names now.

Ain't that the truth. Unlike Forest' box of chocolates, the only consistency is Forest.

 

[Krissig12]

It's not a troll thread, just because it reflects poorly on the design of a knife, by company you hold an emotional attachment to.

Cool. You stay there and I'll go start a similar thread in the cold steel subforum and see how they like it. Itll go something like this: "hey lower life forms, I just got this badass ESEE and it completely reks yo trailmaster. Why does anyone even like these things? I'm sure glad I bought the ESEE instead of the obviously inferior trailmaster...."

If you haven't noticed, new guy, KAI doesn't have a subforum here anymore, so their fans are now forced to reside in General. As such, this is literally their backyard and a cold steel fanboy came in and dumped a "my cold steel is better than your ZT!" thread right in the middle of it, then left and never came back.

Hmmmm......Yup, it must be my emotional attachment clouding my judgement.

And just to make your baseless accusation look even sadder, consider that I have a grand total of 1 ZT, and don't plan on buying any more any time soon. Have a nice day, friend. Best of luck defending the trolls:thumbup:

 

[EDCanAdamas]

Lynn Thompson's stated aim is to make the strongest knives, hence the modified backlock design he uses. The weakness of the backlock, that shocks can disengage the bar, is removed by the Tri-Ad's stop pin. The design is, in absolute terms, stronger. That it doesn't matter in most circumstances is beside the point.

Perhaps the thing that most turns me off from CS (other than not making almost anything in the USA) is the quasi-religious devotion their followers seem to have for the CS brand and it's designers. How often does the ZT crowd speak about "the will of Hinderer" or say things like "Ken Onion didn't like straight blades, so he created a superior line of recurves instead"?

Am guess I am a heretic for not believing in the Supremacy of Demko, AUS8 steel, the TRIAD lock, and Taiwanese manufacturing.

 

[asdf12345]

Cool. You stay there and I'll go start a similar thread in the cold steel subforum and see how they like it. Itll go something like this: "hey lower life forms, I just got this badass ESEE and it completely reks yo trailmaster. Why does anyone even like these things? I'm sure glad I bought the ESEE instead of the obviously inferior trailmaster...."

If you haven't noticed, new guy, KAI doesn't have a subforum here anymore, so their fans are now forced to reside in General. As such, this is literally their backyard and a cold steel fanboy came in and dumped a "my cold steel is better than your ZT!" thread right in the middle of it, then left and never came back.

Hmmmm......Yup, it must be my emotional attachment clouding my judgement.

And just to make your baseless accusation look even sadder, consider that I have a grand total of 1 ZT, and don't plan on buying any more any time soon. Have a nice day, friend. Best of luck defending the trolls:thumbup:

And in 286 posts, how many posts offered a comprehensive explanation on why they believe that Cold Steel is inferior to ZT or why ZT is superior to Cold Steel, and how many posts just made cheap shots at the knives' marketing, fanboys, overseas production, and proprietor?

Seems like the appropriate thing to do in a situation like that would be to give a well thought-out explanation as to why you feel that person's opinion is incorrect. Who knows, maybe you'd actually convince them that Cold Steel knives are inferior.

 

[knarfeng]

Seems like the appropriate thing to do in a situation like that would be to give a well-thought out explanation as to why you feel that person's opinion is incorrect.

This.

 

[J_Curd]

Cold Steel Tri-Ad...rock solid lock. Every other feature is mediocre at best.

ZT...better at literally everything else knife related...for not using a slow to open, Palm pressure defeating capable, Tri-ad lock.

 

[Krissig12]

Just a reminder, calling someone dense and an indignant "Fine by me" doesn't make you correct.

And if you didn't want to continue that other argument here, why did you post a completely unrelated personal attack on me and bring my completely unrelated post into this thread?

Any folder whose major structural components - lock, blade, scales, standoff/backspacer - has a chance of breaking when it is dropped a couple of feet is not a hard use folder, and when this happens on a folder designed to be "hard use" it is especially insulting. I think several occurrences is plenty to establish the expectation that one might reasonably encounter a problem with the Contego's backspacer.



For someone who criticizes me for speculation, that sure is a much more speculative thing to say than anything I've ever posted. By your logic, immature man-babies who bought the knife specifically because it was marketed to them as "the strongest folding knife in the world" would just shrug it off completely if their Triad lock failed under hand pressure or from light prying. And they would not tell a single person about this. Also, according to you, people won't complain about failures on a $100 knife because it's not expensive and prestigious.



Don't tell me, tell them. I never said the Triad is the one and only lock that is worth anything, or that you'll lose fingers if you don't use it. In fact I currently only own liner locks and front opening autos and I think there is nothing wrong or weak about them at all.

But you can bet if I needed a hard use folder then yes, it would be the Triad. Even if you're not a fanboy with unrealistic expectations, there's something to be said for having a bit of redundant strength for the sake of safety, as well as the assurance that you won't be taking the risk of the lock having an issue from the factory. Not to mention the added fact that the new XHP knives are much lighter and cheaper than most of the "hard use" knives on the market today.

Firstly, stop continuing the Contego argument in here. I was mentioning something to Quiet and had no intention of restarting the argument with you.

Secondly, while the part of my post about CS's customer base may have contained a good deal of speculation, I stand by my reasoning. If in fact the customers were mall ninjas, they would hardly be using their knives hard enough to see a failure of the lock (you must not understand the type of people I'm referring to if you think they would do anything harder with their knives than swinging them around and chopping water bottles).
And in the other situation, the cheap ass regular joes who just bought the knife because it was cheap, but heard it was decent quality, certainly wouldn't be heard whining about broken CS's on forums they weren't a part of. They would either just throw it away or contact CS directly about it.

But none of this matter anyway, because my point was not that the locks are breaking. My point was that they COULD be breaking, but that I didnt really care if they weren't. I find my non triad locks to be plenty adequate for hard use, and don't need CS's crap to feel safe.

 

[Bigfattyt]

The Tri-Ad lock is overbuilt to the point of being really hard to operate, certainly not a one-handed lock unless you've worn it in and have a strong grip. On the other hand, the AXIS lock on my Adamas took 1600lbs of force in a demo video (official test video by BM, so take it with a grain of salt as well) before they called it 'failed' even though that just meant the lock was digging into the liners to the point that the blade was folding without the lock being disengaged. Yet I can operate the AXIS lock one-handed, one-fingered even, with ease and comfort knowing the unlocked blade won't be swinging towards my fingers when the lock is disengaged.

I don't judge a knife solely by it's lock interface, but instead weigh the pros and cons like any other object I use. All the Cold Steel Tri-Ad folders I've handled have felt overbuilt and under-finished, while all the ZTs and Benchmades have felt well finished and just as usable as the CS knives, with easier locks to use and better blade steels.

Lock-strength does not overcome a lack of usability for me

I'd have to disagree. I've owned and held and disengaged the triad lock many times on many models. I've never noticed the lock as being tough to disengage. Probably my favorite lock ever.

I've had liner locks, frame locks, axis/ultra, plunge lock, compression lock, button locks, lock backs. I've used Hinderer, Sebenza, Strider, ZT, Benchmade.

I can't think of a lock that is easier and faster to use than the triad lock. It is even easier and faster/safer than my Buck 110 or Buck light lock backs. Because of the location and the ability to let the blade fall when compressing.

I think it is the stuff! Cold Steel is never going to have the cachet of many other brands, but that's ok. I don't buy a lot of other brands, no matter how much others love them.

Now, I'm not going to lie, my 9 year old has trouble with the lock strength on the triad. But my wife can close it.

Now, ultra lock/axis locks are easy to disengage too.

 

[Krissig12]

And in 286 posts, how many posts offered a comprehensive explanation on why they believe that Cold Steel is inferior to ZT or why ZT is superior to Cold Steel, and how many posts just made cheap shots at the knives' marketing, fanboys, overseas production, and proprietor?

Seems like the appropriate thing to do in a situation like that would be to give a well thought-out explanation as to why you feel that person's opinion is incorrect. Who knows, maybe you'd actually convince them that Cold Steel knives are inferior.

This is laughable, 1 because I wasn't talking to you. And 2, because you're trying to defend a blatant troll.

I mean wow.....just wow

How exactly was OP expressing his opinion in the way you suggest? He literally did a "I'm just gonna leave this here......" *runs away laughing*

Didn't even link the video or comment on it besides to label ZT as inferior without giving any reasoning. At the very least he could have stayed with the thread, and followed up on it. But nope, I don't think he's posted in here since.

And that doesn't smell trollish to you?

 

[Paka]

Well I can prove that most ZTs will out cut cold steels, but the cold steel fanboys will insist its opinion. And I laugh at the people saying to state how ZT is superior, or cold steel is inferior. There's numerous posts in this thread clearly stating why in most aspects ZT is superior, but not in all categories, and maybe not in the ones that matter most to YOU.. The things cold steel has on ZT is lock-strength, cheaper materials, and over-seas production. I don't think anyone's arguing with that.

ZT is superior in that it has MUCH better F&F, American made, better customer service, better and bigger steel selection. Also their designs are appealing to many, myself included. Those are just a few of many reasons id take a ZT 7 days a week over any cold steel.

 

[Paka]

I'd have to disagree. I've owned and held and disengaged the triad lock many times on many models. I've never noticed the lock as being tough to disengage. Probably my favorite lock ever.

I've had liner locks, frame locks, axis/ultra, plunge lock, compression lock, button locks, lock backs. I've used Hinderer, Sebenza, Strider, ZT, Benchmade.

I can't think of a lock that is easier and faster to use than the triad lock. It is even easier and faster/safer than my Buck 110 or Buck light lock backs. Because of the location and the ability to let the blade fall when compressing.

I think it is the stuff! Cold Steel is never going to have the cachet of many other brands, but that's ok. I don't buy a lot of other brands, no matter how much others love them.

Now, I'm not going to lie, my 9 year old has trouble with the lock strength on the triad. But my wife can close it.

Now, ultra lock/axis locks are easy to disengage too.

You can't seriously think a triad lock is the fastest and easiest to use of the locks you mentioned? A triad lock easier to manipulate than an axis? Really??

 

[Sosa]

If the OP really is a troll no one had to take the bait. A fat rat will take the cheese haha.

 

[ursamajor]

Cool. You stay there and I'll go start a similar thread in the cold steel subforum and see how they like it. Itll go something like this: "hey lower life forms, I just got this badass ESEE and it completely reks yo trailmaster. Why does anyone even like these things? I'm sure glad I bought the ESEE instead of the obviously inferior trailmaster...."

If you haven't noticed, new guy, KAI doesn't have a subforum here anymore, so their fans are now forced to reside in General. As such, this is literally their backyard and a cold steel fanboy came in and dumped a "my cold steel is better than your ZT!" thread right in the middle of it, then left and never came back.

Hmmmm......Yup, it must be my emotional attachment clouding my judgement.

And just to make your baseless accusation look even sadder, consider that I have a grand total of 1 ZT, and don't plan on buying any more any time soon. Have a nice day, friend. Best of luck defending the trolls:thumbup:

Uhm are you for real? General is to be pro ZT only? Wow, that is some arrogance there.

Oh, and I own both a Junglas, and a San Mai III Trail Master.

If I had to chop wood, I will tell you that hands down, the Trail Master will out chop the Junglas. But for brush and brambles, I prefer the Junglas.

 

[asdf12345]

This is laughable, 1 because I wasn't talking to you. And 2, because you're trying to defend a blatant troll.

I mean wow.....just wow

How exactly was OP expressing his opinion in the way you suggest? He literally did a "I'm just gonna leave this here......" *runs away laughing*

Didn't even link the video or comment on it besides to label ZT as inferior without giving any reasoning. At the very least he could have stayed with the thread, and followed up on it. But nope, I don't think he's posted in here since.

And that doesn't smell trollish to you?

I'm not defending a troll. Whether it was the OPs intention to "troll" or not, those who took the opportunity to take cheap shots at things that have little to do with the knives themselves do not help to dissuade the trolls.

Rather than focusing on "troll", why not give a comprehensive explanation of why you think the OPs opinion is incorrect? Then you have a chance at actually influencing people's opinions, including those who aren't actively posting in the thread. If you hate Cold Steel so much, I commend that as long as you back up your feelings with carefully considered explanations.

However, the majority of the content in this thread, including your posts, have little to do with comparison of the knives themselves. No matter what the intentions of the OP were, the topic was made and its title is "Cold Steel VS Zero Tolerance". If you have something to say about it, now is your chance to make others either agree or disagree with you.

Do you think expressing your frustration with Cold Steel fanboys, to whom you refer with a very insulting tone, is going to make anyone think less of Cold Steel and better of ZT? If you think the knives suck and ZTs are better, then speak your mind.

 

[Krissig12]

Uhm are you for real? General is to be pro ZT only? Wow, that is some arrogance there.

Oh, and I own both a Junglas, and a San Mai III Trail Master.

If I had to chop wood, I will tell you that hands down, the Trail Master will out chop the Junglas. But for brush and brambles, I prefer the Junglas.

Give me a direct quote where I said that it had to be pro-ZT.

What I said was it was where the ZT guys hung out. When you post a thread like this here, it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that you get a negative reaction. And it didn't. OP knew exactly what he was doing posting it here.

There are many other ways he could have presented his opinion to encourage an healthy discussion.

 

[ursamajor]

ZT is superior in that it has MUCH better F&F, American made, better customer service, better and bigger steel selection. Also their designs are appealing to many, myself included. Those are just a few of many reasons id take a ZT 7 days a week over any cold steel.

Not in their couple of fixed blades, in comparison to Cold Steel's Japan made knives. Cold Steel's Japan made knives, in a word-flawless in both grind and fnf on the handles etc.

Some of us speak from experience, and some spot off with ill informed opinions.