CPM154 and the future

Manix 2 XL, Black DLC blade. Tan g-10. CPM 154. "Nuff said.

Please......
 
I'll do you guys one better, how about changing ALL of the current s30v models over to cpm154...?
 
My vote would be for a Para 2 with a DLC CPM154 blade and silver twill scales. Black hardware and clip too please.
 
Ken44 said:
I would love to see it on a Carbon Fiber Para 2 myself.

We've only had the one CF Para 2, so its about past time for another IMO.

I also prefer steels of this type over the super, super steels like S90V, 204P, etc...

It would keep cost down a bit over those steels, and steels in this range have a perfect balance IMO. Holds a great edge, while being pretty easy to sharpen.

Thats one reason I kept, and use, a CF Military with BG42 over the S90V version.

So who else would buy a CF Para 2 with CPM154 ?
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Just out of curiosity, when people have this opinion about steels that are supposed to be hard to sharpen is it because of the sharpening medium they are using? I'm not being sarcastic, I have only been seriously sharpening my knives for a year but I have only ever used ceramics, diamonds, and stropping with auto sandpaper. I have never had any trouble sharpening S30V or M390 with diamonds. Are these vanadium steels really giving people such a hard time with the tools they use and if so why not just switch to something that cuts faster?

Seems to make more sense to me than going to an easier to sharpen alloy and giving up edge retention.
 
I love the idea of a Spyderco in CPM-154. I've got one of the green Blurs in CPM-154 and I'm really enjoying it - it's really performed well for me.
 
I guess there is no chance of my favorite models being made with CPM154 and I'm not a big fan of the other folders everybody seems crazy about, so I will suggest another route. I would like to see Spyderco come out with a nice fixed blade model with a 5 inch blade, 5 inch handle with micarta handles, with either a drop point or spear point. I would like the handles secured with 3 hollow tubes. For blade thickness maybe 1/8 or 3/16 inch. I would want it non coated and with a convex grind and edge. It will probably never happen but at least I can wish for it.
 
Jet B said:
Just out of curiosity, when people have this opinion about steels that are supposed to be hard to sharpen is it because of the sharpening medium they are using? I'm not being sarcastic, I have only been seriously sharpening my knives for a year but I have only ever used ceramics, diamonds, and stropping with auto sandpaper. I have never had any trouble sharpening S30V or M390 with diamonds. Are these vanadium steels really giving people such a hard time with the tools they use and if so why not just switch to something that cuts faster?

Seems to make more sense to me than going to an easier to sharpen alloy and giving up edge retention.
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I certainly have no trouble with sharpening. I was a butcher for most of my life, and have been good at sharpening for 40 years.
S30V and M390 are very easy to sharpen compared to S90V. My point is just how much edge retention do you really need if you keep your knife touched up, as one should.
CPM154 would keep the cost down, while still holding a great edge.

Also, you don't need diamonds for S30V or M390, so I'm not sure why you are using them on those steels, unless you are neglecting them by letting them get butter knife dull. Even then you don't really need diamonds for those steels. Its better to keep them touched up, so you don't have to take off much steel on the diamonds.
 
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The main arguments for CPM 154 appear to be keeps the cost down and easy to sharpen. I don't mind paying more or taking longer to sharpen if I get a better steel.
 
tiguy7 said:
The main arguments for CPM 154 appear to be keeps the cost down and easy to sharpen. I don't mind paying more or taking longer to sharpen if I get a better steel.
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The question is, better than what? It is better than S30V from a sharpening and edge holding perspective it can be, given the adequate heat treatment. It is much better than 154CM as the carbides are homogenous throughout the steel. It's been the steel of choice for many successful knifemakers and so far, one of the steels Spyderco hasn't used. It's time my friend. :D
 
RevDevil said:
The question is, better than what? It is better than S30V from a sharpening and edge holding perspective it can be, given the adequate heat treatment. It is much better than 154CM as the carbides are homogenous throughout the steel. It's been the steel of choice for many successful knifemakers and so far, one of the steels Spyderco hasn't used. It's time my friend. :D
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Buck has made runs of the 110 in 154CM and it's a great steel.If Spyderco made a Para2 with that steel and Tiger stripe camo scales,my wallet would be slimmer!:):thumbup:
 
I have knives in S30, S60, S90, and S110. Generally speaking, the higher the number, the better I like the blade. Not a lot S125 out there.
 
I've read that CMP154 is similar to RWL-34. I don't have first hand experience with CMP154 but if this is true I would also love to see a spyderco model made with it. RWL-34 has been good to me so far, it takes a great edge and sharpens up easily.
 
tiguy7 said:
I have knives in S30, S60, S90, and S110. Generally speaking, the higher the number, the better I like the blade. Not a lot S125 out there.
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Well start your own thread then, and ask for what you want:p

I don't think RevDevil started this thread as a whats best thread, but just a steel he would like to see used. We all love all of the steels out there, and Spyderco is the one company that gives us alot of options:thumbup:
 
Ken44 said:
I certainly have no trouble with sharpening. I was a butcher for most of my life, and have been good at sharpening for 40 years.
S30V and M390 are very easy to sharpen compared to S90V. My point is just how much edge retention do you really need if you keep your knife touched up, as one should.
CPM154 would keep the cost down, while still holding a great edge.

Also, you don't need diamonds for S30V or M390, so I'm not sure why you are using them on those steels, unless you are neglecting them by letting them get butter knife dull. Even then you don't really need diamonds for those steels. Its better to keep them touched up, so you don't have to take off much steel on the diamonds.
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My question wasn't meant to offend so please don't take it that way. I'm just trying to understand other peoples perspective on different steels. I have no problem with people wanting to see a sprint run of steels they have some sentimentality towards, I'm sure if any company is likely to put out something in CPM 154 it will be Spyderco.

And to address the points above that I bolded; my thinking was that a knife with better edge retention will need less touch ups and it doesn't mean it is going to get used to the point of being as dull as a butter knife. Unless of course you enjoy the process and plan to touch it up every day anyway. Each to his own I guess. I use diamonds because they are effective, and they are what comes on the Wicked Edge as standard. Just because they can remove metal fast doesn't mean you have to. I like that I can just do a few light passes and then strop and I'm done. As well, if I need to re-profile a bad grind it is quickly done and isn't an all day affair.

Not trying to drag things off topic either. I believe it's relevant because the topic is about using a steel that may be perceived as an inferior alloy to a lot of the sprints we have seen lately. But now I'm getting curious as to why Sal hasn't used any CPM 154 yet... Haha!
 
Actually Buck has used CMP 154 in many models now that I think about it.It was originally developed for use in jet engine bearings and medical scalpels from what I have read.
 
skyhorse said:
Actually Buck has used CMP 154 in many models now that I think about it.It was originally developed for use in jet engine bearings and medical scalpels from what I have read.
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You are thinking of 154CM and it was jet engine fan blades.

CPM 154 was developed as a knife steel for the custom makers.
 
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