CR Project Got Pwnd

[theonew]

I have a Mountaineer II and with the high hollow grind the blade stays very thin for just a little less than half its width. Now if the Project I has a similar grind I would imagine this to be a large contributing factor in the relative weakness of the knife. I can easily imagine merciless batoning causing a fracture in the edge spreading up through the over 1/2 inch of very thin blade. On the other hand the high hollow grind really makes it a snap to sharpen and it will keep its geometry largely intact over many, many sharpenings.

 

[GigOne]

Well Gigone you have outed Artillery6.

No outing. . . .just published my opinion using examples.

Nice Job.

:jerkit:


I'd rather stand in front of slashing blade. . . .spun by a drill. . . .than. . . .accept your congratulatory offering.

*never mind, that's best saved for another thread and a different sub-forum.*

I Still want to know why two Expensive CRK fixed blades can not hang with a 10 dollar Chinese Knock off.

Good for you.

I watched a portion of the first "test." Chuckled a great deal, being somewhat familiar with testing criteria and protocol. Haven't watched the second knife destruction "test" nor the destruction test(s) of and "10 dollar Chinese Knock off." Simply, I have more important things to do.

I'm just happy the MBL and NCAA haven't announced they've contracted Noss to perform testing on baseball bats. I don't think Noss is up to publishing testing criteria and protocol.

Why not ask the tester of destruction ?

I can tell you part of the problem with your above comment is you're equating cost to performance. Hell, your boy Artillery6 made the same comments. A little reminder. . . . .consumer cost(s) is a objective of Marketing. Let's get back to the point and a short example. I can purchase a $10 to $15 machete (origin of manufacture unknown) at my local hardware store or I can have a Master Smith fabricate one for $500+. Will one out perform the other ? Will one last longer during a Noss destruction "test ?" First, as it pertains to machetes and their intended use, I'm purchasing the cheap one. I don't have a forest to forage though or a pack of zombies to slew. If that were the case, I'd still purchase $10 machete. . . . .in quantity. Second, I wouldn't give Noss the time of day, much less a $10 or $500+ machete to perform his so called "testing." As I stated before, I'm familiar with testing criteria and protocol. I'm also friends with a group of gentlemen that perform testing for a living. The group has over 250 years of experience in testing and consist of folks that have their Doctorate and or Masters. Yes, they've observed Noss' "testing." Since this is a family oriented sub-forum, I'll keep it clean. The lead Dr. put it best, "It like watching cartoons or reading the funny paper." Nuff said !

Serious questions ok? Aside from looks which they have in spades, what are they good at Gigone?

Uhhhhhhh. . . . .its intended purpose. I know. . . .shocking !

Several years ago, I purchased a Neil Roberts Warrior Knife. I don't know how, but my spousal unit has taken possession of it and uses it extensively, as her "chore knife." Besides the periodic cleaning and shapening, it has fared rather well. . .(I know, it's not COMBAT ACTIVITY, but you don't know how abusive the spousal can be on tools !). . ..under her unyielding hands. Granted, she hasn't attempted to pry the house from its foundation, hasn't used it to drill a hole in the concrete slabbed basketball court, beat the spine of the blade with a 8 lb. sledge hammer (have caught her hitting the butt end with a hammer a number of times), hasn't malletized the blade between the "rocks" in the fire place (means of scaling for dusting purposes), and I could go on for some time, but won't.

 

[Artilary6]

What makes you think they can't? A couple of tests under highly questionable conditions? Years of use in the field speak for their quality.



You shouldn't.

Could the chinese knife provide just as many years of use as the CRK knives though? What real value to you get for spending so much over a much less expensive knife. Looks like for the CRK knives your really just paying for a high fit and finish and close tolerance manufacturing rather than any real world advantages.

 

[Artilary6]

In Artilary6's post (#100) in this thread, he asks in his Green Beret e-mail to CRK. . . .





"As a potential customer ?"

Interesting, but are you really a "potential customer ?" Let's see. . . .


1. On 06-26-2008 @ 03:30 PM (post #88), of this same thread, you wrote. . . .




2. On 11-16-2007 @ 01:09 AM ( post #1) you describe. . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5059700#post5059700


3. On 10-30-2007 @ 05:12 AM (post #23) you again, express ownership of. . . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5013003#post5013003


4. On 10-22-2007 @ 03:42 AM (post #1) you tell a story. . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4993426#post4993426


5. On 10-15-2007 @ 12:03 AM (post #9) you participate in a thread discussing "the most comfortable knife you've held."




http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4975701#post4975701


6. Yet again, on 10-11-2007 @ 01:05 PM ( post #14), you claim possession of a "Green Beret."



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4967315#post4967315


7. And finally, another thread, "If you could have one knife whatwould it be?" . . . . 10-10-2007 @ 11:10 PM (post #28). . . .




http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4966113#post4966113



Hmmmm. . . . . . Clearly, you're not a "potential customer" of a "Green Beret" knife. Simply, you've purchased one. . . .months ago. According to you ! .

A bit of e-mail baiting ?



*sniff sniff*




In the same e-mail you state. . . . .





Hmmmmm. . . . .


1. On 10-05-2007 @ 03:35 PM (post #1). . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4967315#post4967315





2. On 10-22-2007, 03:42 AM (post #1). . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4993426#post4993426


3. On 10-06-2007 @ 04:55 PM (post #6) you proclaim. . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4955173#post4955173


Now you're an "avid mountain climber". . . .







Lord have mercy.

Let's see. . . . .you (170 lbs), your buddy (we'll pretend he's also 170 lbs), and gear (80 lbs - on the side of caution) = 420 lbs of "direct BOUNCING load" on a fixed blade "driven into the side of the rock." The Project 1 blade thickness is 0.255" and the Green Beret's is 0.220". Anything is possible, but it would depend on how deeply the blade is driven into the crevice, how tightly wedged / secure the blade is between the rock surfaces, if the blade is vertical or horizontal, etc., etc., etc.

Being a ex-GI Joe and having more rock and rope time that you (military and civilian world), we were never trained to shove or "hammer" a fixed blade into a crevice. Dayum, I've never heard of such a feat, except in movies and TV. While my 30+ years of rock and rope time doesn't imply that it hasn't happened, I find your flare for disaster and immanent danger is. . . .well. . . .laughable.

If you're going for a fixed blade to shove in "the rock" . . . . instead of a camming device. . . . .


*sniff sniff*

lol! Dude you got some serious time on your hands. You busted the thread jokster. Congrats.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Could the chinese knife provide just as many years of use as the CRK knives though? What real value to you get for spending so much over a much less expensive knife. Looks like for the CRK knives your really just paying for a high fit and finish and close tolerance manufacturing rather than any real world advantages.

Ah, so this is the basis of your point of view, your reason for lying about your expectations and experiences. This is not a good way to hold a serious discussion.

Complex questions allow for simple answers: by carefully defining your needs and wants, you help us conclude what equipment would serve you best.

Simple questions require complex answers. By not getting to the point, by not understanding what you need, you leave us trying out answers which you constantly reject, looking for another possiblity. "Moving the goalposts" is what it's called.

This thread began by assuming the test had integrity and the flaws it purported to show were real. Not true, and not true. Now re-evaluate the possible value of a CRK knife based on real world criteria -- but that is a different thread.

Would you like to start it?

 

[jdowell]

I thought, "somebody's favorite folder" implied the Sebenza.

Sorry!

 

[Brian Jones]

As a wilderness freak who has spent a great deal of time in crappy real-world outdoors conditions, I can say that I witnessed the quality and real-world reliability of CRK knives firsthand.

On a 2 1/2 week trip to the Idaho Outback, one of my companions, an incredibly capable and experienced outdoorsman and knife lover/user, brought only one knife with him: a CRK one-piece (I don't remember the model) with 7" clipointblade and hollow handle.

In freezing conditions, he used it to wrench and split wood for fire, pounded stakes for shelter, and did all manner of extreme real-0world use to that knife. He said he carried it (already had it for years before this trip), because it was the only knife that never let him down in the real world.

I was impressed to say the least. Based on that, I would feel more than well-equipped if I had to bring a CRK knife with me into the wilderness.

 

[Justabuyer]

:jerkit:


I'd rather stand in front of slashing blade. . . .spun by a drill. . . .than. . . .accept your congratulatory offering.

*never mind, that's best saved for another thread and a different sub-forum.*

Good post... there really is no road you are not willing to travel to divert this thread, and try to make it about the people posting in it and not about the knives failing repeatedly at tasks other knives passed with ease.

 

[fespo276]

I thought, "somebody's favorite folder" implied the Sebenza.

Sorry!

Cool dude. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Justabuyer]

What makes you think they can't? A couple of tests under highly questionable conditions? Years of use in the field speak for their quality.

You shouldn't.

I think you are missing the point on purpose. Its obvious they are high quality knives. Beautiful to behold. Just like a Fabergé Egg.

You next comment is no doubt a product of my imprecise language. I apologize. I meant why should ANYONE buy them. What makes them stand out?

Is it how well they cut compared to other knives?
Is it how well they chop compared to other knives?
Is it the way they lend themselves to bushcraft?
Is it the looks?

What attribute or combination of attributes makes the Project one stand out compared to other knives?

Sorry for my posts that may have contributed to this thread getting off track. I am going to try very hard to keep it focused on the Knives from here on in.

 

[ToyKnife]

Good question.

 

[jimbo@stn23]

Thank you to GigOne, Brian Jones, and as always, Esav for well thought out posts that have a basis in real life. :thumbup:

Kinda cracks me up how a wannbe carpenter can take two forms of attaching "2 bys", that being an air nailer and hammer and nails, along with his trusty Busse (I get it tsiloics, you like Busse), but won't learn to measure or take a 1/4 pound hand saw to the roof, is justification for beating a 22 oz. framing hammer (likely with the cool checkerboard in the hammer face) into the knife he takes to the roof. Why would you treat a tool like that? Or does anyone remember Cliffs carpenter brother?

Both my Green Beret and my Mark IV have split many cubic feet of kindling with no ill effects and still cut meat, make tent stakes, tent poles, wood shavings to start fires, etc., just fine. And who would guess it, if I could find wood to make a fire out of in the forest, I also found wood to baton with and haven't yet experienced the need to beat on a knife with a rock or a hammer. Funny how that happens in real life, in real mountains.

Bladeforums is fabulous for the wealth of info that is contained herein. Anyone considering the purchase of Chris Reeve products will have a faithful companion that is well worth the investment provided they treat the tool appropriately. Your children will inherit a fine hierloom with great history when you are done with it.

 

[Artilary6]

You could bring a sack full of $10 knives with you and have enough to use as tent stakes, repel down cliffs, throw at critters in attempt to hunt, break a few for fun when bored, AND baton your damn firewood all for the cost of a single GB. Oh, throw in a GPS tracking unit to go with all that for under $300 bucks. Or, you can buy a single GB and have it SPLODE in your face.

 

[kdizzog6]

I think a knife is a tool. A tool is specifc to each task. Of coarse you wouldn't chop with a steak knife. As Noss's test prove the GB isn't the best knife to hit with a 3lb mallot. I'm sure it can handle the test's that a knife of its size and thickness is made for. If you plan on hammering it with a mallot?? Why don't you just bring an axe?? All the test proves is that it cannot take massive punishment. Not that it is a great tool for camping hiking and gerneral use. I don't own one or plan on it, but the test is interesting. It shows what you can't do with it, and not what the knife excels at. I guess it all boils down to... If you don't want it, don't buy it. Sure the .32 FFBM Busse took the hammering like a champ, I'm sure in smaller tasks the GB would out perform, being the size, thickness, and shape. Just my 2 cents.

 

[biggerjon]

You could bring a sack full of $10 knives with you and have enough to use as tent stakes, repel down cliffs, throw at critters in attempt to hunt, break a few for fun when bored, AND baton your damn firewood all for the cost of a single GB. Oh, throw in a GPS tracking unit to go with all that for under $300 bucks. Or, you can buy a single GB and have it SPLODE in your face.

:jerkit:

 

[Esav Benyamin]

You could bring a sack full of $10 knives with you ... Or, you can buy a single GB and have it SPLODE in your face.

Artilary6, you are now trolling. Stop it.
Discuss the topic or put a cork in it.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Is it how well they cut compared to other knives?
Is it how well they chop compared to other knives?
Is it the way they lend themselves to bushcraft?
Is it the looks?

What attribute or combination of attributes makes the Project one stand out compared to other knives?

First of all, I begin from the understanding that Noss's test is bogus. Meaningless.

Next, I am not comparing CRK knives with anyone else's -- unless you care to put someone's experience with both up for example. How well they cut, chop, lend themselves to bushcraft? See jimbo@stn23's post.

 

[Artilary6]

OK....I have done way too much complaining and joking around without suggesting any ways to improve the knife (since many of us think there is something wrong with it).
Lose the serrations, increase hardness to 59-60, thicken the tip and DONE. I bet that would toughen it right up and increase its poor edge retention. And I know it has bad edge retention from experience. In all honesty, my GB serves as nothing more than a letter opener and even that causes it to require sharpening soon. Shaving sharpness fades after just a few letters and i'm not kidding. The choice to make it more easily sharpenable in the field VS good edge retention was a mistake IMO.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

On a thread with so much emotion invested in opposing views, clowning around does serious harm to your credibility. How is it others have found edge retention is not so bad?

 

[Artilary6]

On a knife this expensibve, I would hope edge retention would be a lot better than "not so bad". It should be excellent. S30V is touted as having escellent retention. The super soft heat treat is what hurts the retention im sure. Even on the video it clearly showed retention was easily lost after batoning. Man, if CRK released an improved version of the GB to correct what is lacking, I would gladly spend $400.00 on it since everything else about the knife is totally badass. Its just a sick shame that it has these crippling weaknesses.