CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

Some of you guys on BOLTH sides of this argument need to stand up and pull the stick out of your butts. If you do so, maybee your wheaties will stop tasking like bark.
 
if you have a "patent pending" you can market that product and it is protected.
 
You skipped past STR's post on how LT bashed Karambits and 420 steel then came out with both.
 
No I didn't:

DngrRuss1 said:
I will site 2 instances listed here- the karambit and 420 steel.

In his article about the Karambit, LT never said that the karambit sucked- what he said was that it was not deserving of all the "flavor of the month" hype surrounding it. If you read the press and opinions of said knife, you would think that the heavens parted and handed the karambit to knife fighters saying, "Lo, here is the karambit. Go forth and smite the fighting knife world with this mighty weapon and prove its superiority. You shall build and use no other knives before the karambit, lest ye be just plain goofy." I personally, am not a big fan of the karambit. I prefer other knife styles for utility and tactical. But, lots of CS fans and karambit fans requested a CS karambit. There was a market, LT and CS decided to capitolize on the market. If you ask him, he will say that he is also not a big fan of the karambit, he understands its usage, he just prefers other styles. His article said as much. But he never said it was useless and that making one couldn't prove to be beneficial to both the customer and CS.

As for the 420 steel, part of his issue with it is that, yes, it is a medium grade steel, but what companies were doing with it was not in the best interest of the product. When CS opted to use 420, they put it through their heat treatment and edge configuration and the knife performed to the absolute best of its ability. In the More Proof video, one of the 420 folders was used to cut more than 8 football fields in length of cardboard before the knife lost enough of its edge to make the cuts difficult. The knife wasn't worn out, it still could have cut. But the demonstration served its purpose. Now, show me another company using the same grade of steel that can get their knives to perform as well.
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And what about the points I have brought up? I make a point defendeing CS and LT, and it is more often ignored and the subject changed to another point so the argument can continue. How about acknowledging the points I have made so far?
 
This thread has certainly generated a great deal of reponse. I have three CS knives and all three have been great. I have a Voyager that I carried for many years. It locks up as solidly today as the day I bought it.

The other two kives I have are the Urban Skinner, bought in 1985 or so and the Master Tanto. These knives have not been carried often but have been dependable when called upon.

As far as Lynn Thompson goes, and the way he advertises and runs his business, the key words are "his business." He has put up his capital and that buys him the right to run his business any way he likes.
 
HoB said:
As to the name calling...if you start a thread to offer facts, you better see to it that those "facts" are verifiable.

But I am really done with this thread. This has long gone beyond silly.
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I offered facts and said facts have been verified. If that verification is not good enough for you, how about you or your CS hating friends CALL THE COMPANY or EMAIL THE COMPANY and ask. While I will admit that if you call and start attacking staff, they will probably do what I think most businesses would do- hang up. But an email is far more likely to be responded to. Feel free to say you heard these answers and statements here at BF by a friend of the company.

That would seem to be the more reputable and honorable response rather than the You're wrong. I don't have to listen to you no matter what information you have, and I'm gonna take my ball and go home! attitude shown above.
 
Willieboy said:
This thread has certainly generated a great deal of reponse. I have three CS knives and all three have been great. I have a Voyager that I carried for many years. It locks up as solidly today as the day I bought it.

The other two kives I have are the Urban Skinner, bought in 1985 or so and the Master Tanto. These knives have not been carried often but have been dependable when called upon.

As far as Lynn Thompson goes, and the way he advertises and runs his business, the key words are "his business." He has put up his capital and that buys him the right to run his business any way he likes.
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And that is what it is all about!

The haters would have you believe that you are a fool for thinking that way. My goal here was simply to present an opposig view for the CS fans and for the potential new knife buyer before the haters spew their bile and chase everyone away.

Good post.
 
I now sell knives for a living. As such, I carry some of the CS line. And because it's my company, I carry what I like.

I bought one of the new Black Sables. One night I couldn't sleep, I started to sharpen a few knives. As luck would have it, I put a loupe to the edge of the Sable. While it was one of the most uniform bevels I've seen on an assembly line knife, I thought the edge needed a good polishing.

I buffed off the suspect portions with an Edge-Pro 600 stone, and then completely polished the edge with a brand new 4000 series polishing tape.

No foolin' guys, the edge is sharper, spookier and just plain more dangerous than any other knife I've had, including a rather nasty sharp Microtech USSOCOM tanto that I thought would never be bested.

Some of the idiots I wait on all want to show me that they are Zorro and they shave hair off of their arms. Evidently walking with your knuckles dragging makes your arms itch.

Other than having to clean and oil the knife, I now carry bandages.

However, the blade guard shipped with the Sable stays on the blade, and no one gets to handle the knife except its new owner. "No one" means no one.

I'm careful, but as I checked the edge once with a foolish procedure called 'tickling the dragon,' I felt the belly of the blade grab the very ends of my fingerprints and I even felt the edge try to sink in. Incredible feeling.

Sometimes I think guys slam the brand because they don't like Lynn Thompson. Okay, he's not exactly my cup of tea either.

But the Sable is the sharpest, and you'll have to prove to me what, if any, knife can beat it.
 
Well my bad as I did not re-read this long-winded post.

I really just think you are wasting your time with this post. Most of the posters here already have their opinions set regarding Cold Steel and LT. Myself, I don't care. Some of the lower end CS knives are OK, the high end stuff is over-priced, and some of the buisness practices are questionable. If Cold Steel came out with a product I liked, with good materials, and at a price I liked - I'd buy it.

Good luck with your crusade.
 
DngrRuss1,
You wouldn't happen to be Russ White, one of CS's DVD producers/actors would you? I thought it was way cool how the latest CS DVD had Anthony DeLongis in it. I mean, watching one of the bad guys from the movie Roadhouse (he was the guy with the knife on his boot) sharpening a pencil with the Black Sable was just too cool.:thumbup:

Anyhow, to my main question: Care to comment on Lynn Thompson's alledged involvement (putting up the money) in the infamous background check on Mick Strider? Did he really fund that ordeal, which in turn aided Kevin "Mad Dog" McClung (and others) in attempting to publicly trash Mick's character? Any comments you have on that would be appreciated.

Best wishes,
3G
 
No, I am not Russ White.

To my knowledge, LT didn't hire anyone to do a background check on Strider. The PI was hired by someone else- I cannot verify who at this point- and approached LT about becoming part of some action. LT states that no $ ever went from CS or LT toward this investigation, though LT was understandably curious about it's outcome. Someone (I think it was someone from Mad Dog, but don't quote me on that- I haven't read all the posts on Tactical Forums) posted that LT was involved with this action after the PI told them that he had spoken to LT.

But, again, to my knowledge, the role LT played in this controversy was as an observer only.

And let's be honest. If someone builds their entire business on a reputation and a record that turns out to not be true- what's wrong with exposing them? As I stated previously on this thread, it seems ok to blast and insult LT and impugn his integrity while singing the praises of someone who not only is a felon who commited a gun crime, but also lied about his record to draw in the market to them. Am I the only one who thinks that's wrong and sees a gigantic hypocricy there?
 
DngrRuss1 said:
what's wrong with exposing them?
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Sir, without dredging up old wounds or hijacking the thread, can you give me the gist of the controversy between Mick and LT in brief form?

Sorry, I have been gone for over two years building my own business and other personal reasons, so I am out of the loop.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
No, I am not Russ White.

To my knowledge, LT didn't hire anyone to do a background check on Strider. The PI was hired by someone else- I cannot verify who at this point- and approached LT about becoming part of some action. LT states that no $ ever went from CS or LT toward this investigation, though LT was understandably curious about it's outcome. Someone (I think it was someone from Mad Dog, but don't quote me on that- I haven't read all the posts on Tactical Forums) posted that LT was involved with this action after the PI told them that he had spoken to LT.

But, again, to my knowledge, the role LT played in this controversy was as an observer only.

And let's be honest. If someone builds their entire business on a reputation and a record that turns out to not be true- what's wrong with exposing them? As I stated previously on this thread, it seems ok to blast and insult LT and impugn his integrity while singing the praises of someone who not only is a felon who commited a gun crime, but also lied about his record to draw in the market to them. Am I the only one who thinks that's wrong and sees a gigantic hypocricy there?
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No (my answer to the underlined question in your quote). However, if the sole the purpose of a "public smearing" is for personal, financial gain, I think there is an intense lack of integrity at play.

Thank you for your input. I did see LT's name, on that other forum, listed as the "money man" behind that investigation. So if that is false, I am glad, and certainly hope that it can be verified to be false. I do wonder, however, why LT of all people would be "approached to be part of some action" by a PI investigating Mick Strider's background?

Best wishes,
3G

Edited to add: You won't find me singing the praises of people who falsely represent themselves to sell product. Then again, you won't find me singing the praises of those who expose them to do the same either. I am truly interested in hearing who all was involved in that investigation. I have the feeling that the investigation wasn't conducted for the good of all people, but rather for the good of the people who initiated it.
 
i think people do lack respect for the company, thats obvious. respect isusualy what helps you buy something from someone. i own quite a few cold steels knives. a magnum tanto, hatamoto, spike tanto, black sable, 5" clip point serrated voyager, true flight thrower and did have a warrior o tanto and triple action.

i will say that it sucks how he actually slates other companies for not rising to challenges or making stong products. but this seems rich coming from a company who have hardly risen to the challenge of making knives with any of the good steels. well, apart from the new gunsite and new outdoorsman.

im reletively new to the knife world, cold steelss why i got into it. i spent about £1000 on cold styeel in about 4-5 weeks. now i realize that for the price of 1 of my knives-the black sable, i could have bought 5 spydercos all made from better stuff.the persian for instace hasnt quite got the same blade but has better steel, a good lock back and micarta handles.

ive recently bought a uk pen knife and now a bill moran featherweight upswept,but before i had the moran it pissed me off that my best knife by far was my smallest and cheapest. even the aus 8 on the new spyderench i bought my brother is way better that cold steels.

another thaing iks the serrations they use. my voytagers serrations aremostly gone just sawing through soft wood and cutting cardboard.spydercos spyderedge make the nogales serrations looklike a joke.oh yeah, i then used it to throw at a tree!!! the lock was fucked pretty much straight away. the sword i had ive sent back cos the brass bit(fushii??) was loose. i thought the fact that the scabarrd was loose as hell was stupid also.

i managed to pick up as triple action which apparently IS NOT meant to be flicked even though thats how they seem to market it.the thing is, is that it can only be flicked once its loose. i flicked it for 2 days and on the second day one of the screws completely cameout!! catch 22, it can only be flicked when loose but if you make it loose enough to flick it breaks.

my spike cord snapped and i found that the cord is only glued on!!altough i do like that knife. i also think that tanto sucks for the price. looks tacky and the steel is shit. it can barly cut boxes after only light use. its also a pain to sharpen on my sharpmaker.

i really cant imagine that cold steel would do things like sell knikves made from cpm-s30v for £50. the sable seems no moreexpensive to make thban the persian. if the laminating process bumps it upthen im sure the vg10 on the persian would match the difference. in the uk the persian is £76.95 and the sable is £292 from the same store!!!!!

both have micart handles, the sable with titanium bolster , the persian has steel.

yes cold steel is one of the 'real' knife companies so yes they cant be total rubbish, but there is alot to be said within the knife world and cold steel just seem childish. saying that i am considering a bad axe fro throwing, does anyone reckon it willbe easier to throw that the true flight thrower? i am also getting give areplacement for the tanto sword from the shop i bought it. im trying to choose between a cold steel warrior katana or a paul chen practical plus. any views??

at theend of the day knife enthusiasts love knives. the buy loads of knivres which they just dont need in a practical sense. when you want something just to look an and hold then its hard to love it when youve got no love for the people who made it. yeah, you could say that they caould be just 'used' as supposed to loved but you can get much better workhorses cheaper elsewhere.apart from maybe those cheap machettes.the fact that thyre premium steel was aus-8 is a bit of a joke altough they are stsarting to use vg-10 laminate steel like fallkniven. oh yeah, ijust bougfht my mother a fallkniven dv42 damascus vg10 chefs knife. that thing is NICE!!!

lynn t. has decided to take a particular route and on his head be it. if he wants the pros he should except the cons.claims that there knives will out cut any others is just rediculous when they only use mediocre materials. at theend of the day the msake entry level type stuff, they cant pretend to do anything more especially not charge what they do, at least with most of theyre products. crkt do use half way steels but at least they dont charge so much for it. but yeah, any views on the bad axe and sword choices would be welcomed. .shit what a rant!!
 
The Tourist said:
I have been gone for over two years building my own business and other personal reasons, so I am out of the loop.
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I see that you're MO of blowing smoke hasn't changed !
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Pontificator of Redundancy and BFC Windbag
 
DngrRuss1 said:
To my knowledge, LT didn't hire anyone to do a background check on Strider. The PI was hired by someone else- I cannot verify who at this point- and approached LT about becoming part of some action. LT states that no $ ever went from CS or LT toward this investigation, though LT was understandably curious about it's outcome. Someone (I think it was someone from Mad Dog, but don't quote me on that- I haven't read all the posts on Tactical Forums) posted that LT was involved with this action after the PI told them that he had spoken to LT.

But, again, to my knowledge, the role LT played in this controversy was as an observer only.

And let's be honest. If someone builds their entire business on a reputation and a record that turns out to not be true- what's wrong with exposing them? As I stated previously on this thread, it seems ok to blast and insult LT and impugn his integrity while singing the praises of someone who not only is a felon who commited a gun crime, but also lied about his record to draw in the market to them. Am I the only one who thinks that's wrong and sees a gigantic hypocricy there?
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Now this sounds interesting. I read Mick Striders version of it over in (that other forum) so now I'm curious. I'll be interested to see where this goes and who's got the facts of the matter. BTW DngrRuss1 I admire your dogged persistancy with this issue. You got a lot of detractors here and you're pissin in the wind. But I'll give you credit for sticking with it. :thumbup:
 
GigOne said:
I see that you're MO of blowing smoke hasn't changed
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Where's the other cyber-stalker? Thought you guys worked in pairs.


edit: "I read Mick Striders version of it"

I haven't read anything about this. I get 'Special Projects' and read the knife rags and this is the first that I have heard about squabbling. After reading the shellacking that LT gave kerambit use and training it comes as no surprise that he has a sharp tongue. However, LT now sells kerambits.

Ya' know, that's the reason I'm primarily a 'gun guy.' The last great debate we had was over aimed fire vs. 'point shooting.' And even that was between two authors who spoke well of each other.

When Terry Tussey was severely injured in a freak bicycle accident, the entire firearms community came out and extended their support, not just our little facet of combat shooters.

The spats and vitriol between knife owners and hobbyists has always struck me as the ugliest side of collecting. I own both CS knives and Striders. My heart sank when I learned of discord a few paragraphs above.
 
just threw it at the tree again and it snapped. the pin that holds the lockin place snapped in two. anyone know any uses of a clip point voyager blade? i can still get it in the tree with the lock taken out but anyway..
 
DANTHEMAN123 said:
just threw it at the tree again and it snapped. the pin that holds the lockin place snapped in two. anyone know any uses of a clip point voyager blade? i can still get it in the tree with the lock taken out but anyway..
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Yes I know the use for a clip point Voyager. They are made for cutting stuff. If you want a knife to hold up to throwing it at a tree get a thrower.
 
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