EDC Work or Weapon?

Knifein said:
I never carry my knife as a weapon, I carry and use them as tools in good faith.

In my opinion civillians who stuff their pockets and belts to the max with multiple knives, firearms, and weapons are a bunch of ignorant, insecure, mall ninjas.
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Am i to assume you mean people who arm themselves well beyond what they need for protection.....or are you labeling any civilian who carries a weapon a mall ninja?
 
Knifein said:
I never carry my knife as a weapon, I carry and use them as tools in good faith.

In my opinion civillians who stuff their pockets and belts to the max with multiple knives, firearms, and weapons are a bunch of ignorant, insecure, mall ninjas.
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There is a lot of room for wiggle-interpretation in that statement. So, if I carry two knives, = mall ninja? How about one knife, one gun? = mall ninja now? How about if someone carries in a duffle bag.... = mall ninja? I'm just trying to get a handle on your parameters.....

Andy
 
My knives are intended for utility purposes only.

But to those who choose to carry knives for SD, please keep in mind that your assailant may be contagious in some fashion. All the training in the world won't save you from contracting something like HIV when blood and bodily fluids begin to flow... That's reality and it ain't as sexy as in the movies. My 2 cents for what it's worth...
 
In my job as an international secret agent/commando/Victoria's Secret photographer, there's a lot of deanimation involved....so I suppose my EDC is primarily a weapon.
 
To me, my knives are tools for everday utilitarian tasks and lastly, a weapon. I have other means of protecting myself and those I love.
 
I am certainly not going to charge into a bank if it is being robbed with my Para 2. I depend on my street smarts to keep me out of a bad situation first. But we all know that from time to time trouble finds you. Just the other night at my local Cracker Barrel a women who's husband works with my wife was changing her six month olds diaper in the car while her husband went to put their name on the list. When she finished she turned to find a large AA male standing behind her. He asked what was in the bag to which she replied diapers. He told her to give him her money. All she had was her diaper bag and six month old sitting there in the car. He took moved closer to her and said I am taking your money. She was able to grab her child's carrier and run past him. He tried to grab her from behind and she swung the diaper bag at him and began screaming. That was enough to get others to come out and run the guy off. Luckily he was depending on his size to scare the women and didn't press the attack or she would have been in trouble. I am not saying she should have pulled a blade and gone westside story either but, what if he had pressed the attack? When my wife heard this she told her husband "you need to buy her a knife, and teach her eyes and throat!" His reply was "oh she could never do that." Yes Mike C you have to have the right frame of mind to pull and use a knife. But when it comes down to me or mine I will chew through your arm to get to your throat. Some people are born and raised victims, not me and not mine. But i do respect your opinion.
 
I have only used my knives as tools.

However, I ALWAYS pick my knives and carryable edged items for potential weapon use, but I make sure that they are all perfectly legal to carry in my jurisdiction.

After that point, I don't do "political correctness"
I'll carry what I want to carry, for any reason that I want to carry it.
And I'll use it for whatever reason that I need to use it for. And I don't care who likes it, or who doesn't like it.

There is no escaping the fact that prior to a few hundred years ago with the advent of consumer firearms, the knife or sword was the every-day personal defense weapon for everyone on Earth.
Nothing more needs to be said. It has worked for thousands of years. These people seemed to be equipped with "the mindset" just fine.
Yes, today guns are better in most cases for defense, but the Navy issued cutlasses even as recently as WW1, and I'll bet that there were some on ships even later than that. And the land forces all have knives of some sort as weapons. Even right now, today.
It's just a fact of life. Going into denial about it because of "political correctness" doesn't serve anybody well.
The "political correctness" people and politicians have an agenda. And that agenda is tyranny. The place to fight that agenda is in the political arena, and in the courts of law.
I can carry whatever is legal to carry.
And whatever is not legal to carry, I will work to elect legislators who will overturn the oppressive laws that restrict guns and knives, and bring law suits against any other restrictions that might be satisfied in the court arena.
It's time to fight back in the political arena by electing legislators who support freedom and not tyranny.
 
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twl said:
I have only used my knives as tools.

However, I ALWAYS pick my knives and carryable edged items for potential weapon use, but I make sure that they are all perfectly legal to carry in my jurisdiction.

After that point, I don't do "political correctness"
I'll carry what I want to carry, for any reason that I want to carry it.
And I'll use it for whatever reason that I need to use it for. And I don't care who likes it, or who doesn't like it.

There is no escaping the fact that prior to a few hundred years ago with the advent of consumer firearms, the knife or sword was the every-day personal defense weapon for everyone on Earth.
Nothing more needs to be said. It has worked for thousands of years. These people seemed to be equipped with "the mindset" just fine.
Yes, today guns are better in most cases for defense, but the Navy issued cutlasses even as recently as WW1, and I'll bet that there were some on ships even later than that. And the land forces all have knives of some sort as weapons. Even right now, today.
It's just a fact of life. Going into denial about it because of "political correctness" doesn't serve anybody well.
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It isn't a matter of politicial correctness. Yes, people carried knives and swords for defensive purposes in the past. They were also taught how to fight with those blades from the time they were children. People used to depend on themselves to grow, kill, or trap their food. 99% of the population(at least in the US) could no longer do that either. Times are much different now.

First and foremost, pulling a knife to defend oneself means you've often just brought a knife to a gunfight. That isn't likely to end well for you.
 
ThePharce said:
It isn't a matter of politicial correctness. Yes, people carried knives and swords for defensive purposes in the past. They were also taught how to fight with those blades from the time they were children. People used to depend on themselves to grow, kill, or trap their food. 99% of the population(at least in the US) could no longer do that either. Times are much different now.

First and foremost, pulling a knife to defend oneself means you've often just brought a knife to a gunfight. That isn't likely to end well for you.
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As a person highly trained in deadly force, a certified concealed carry handgun instructor, and a competition rifleman, I think you may be making some unqualified generalizations with your statement.
In fact, I know you are.
So, stick to what you know, and stay off the topics you know nothing about.
My points were salient to this discussion.
It has EVERYTHING to do with political correctness because that is what is outlawing the knives, and infringing on people's rights.
And it is the legislations restricting and outlawing the carrying or ownership of handguns in many jurisdictions which is driving people back to carrying other means of self-defense such as knives, because they are telling you that you can't bring a gun
And now they are trying to outlaw the knives too.


Whether people show the responsibility to prepare themselves for defense with these tools is their responsibility which comes with the free exercise of their rights, just like any other rights.
 
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Tool only.
Whipping a knife out in a fight is the best way to get yourself injured/killed/years in prison.
 
twl said:
As a person highly trained in deadly force, a certified concealed carry handgun instructor, and a competition rifleman, I think you may be making some unqualified generalizations with your statement.
In fact, I know you are.
So, stick to what you know, and stay off the topics you know nothing about.
My points were salient to this discussion.
It has EVERYTHING to do with political correctness because that is what is outlawing the knives, and infringing on people's rights.
Whether they show the responsibility to prepare themselves for defense with these tools is their responsibility which comes with the free exercise of their rights, just like any other rights.
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Topics I know nothing about huh? Wow. Thanks for pretending to know me.

Listing your supposed credentials is cute, since none of them have anything to do with carrying a blade as a weapon.(Yes, a competition rifleman makes you an expert in knife defensive tactics).

You don't know my background. You don't know what instruction I've had. You don't know from where I have attained my knowledge and philosophy.

Political correctness hurts the knife world much less than the perception created by a bunch of wanna be mall ninja supposed 'tactical gurus' who think their 'tactical' knife is going to somehow stop a bullet.

I have received training (and will continue to receive training) on using a knife for defensive purposes. As I've said before, though, if I have to pull a blade to defend myself, it's as a last resort and likely means that I will either die or be seriously injured.

Your arrogance is sad.
 
ThePharce said:
Topics I know nothing about huh? Wow. Thanks for pretending to know me.

Listing your supposed credentials is cute, since none of them have anything to do with carrying a blade as a weapon.(Yes, a competition rifleman makes you an expert in knife defensive tactics).

You don't know my background. You don't know what instruction I've had. You don't know from where I have attained my knowledge and philosophy.

Political correctness hurts the knife world much less than the perception created by a bunch of wanna be mall ninja supposed 'tactical gurus' who think their 'tactical' knife is going to somehow stop a bullet.

I have received training (and will continue to receive training) on using a knife for defensive purposes. As I've said before, though, if I have to pull a blade to defend myself, it's as a last resort and likely means that I will either die or be seriously injured.

Your arrogance is sad.
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Are you familiar with the "21 foot rule"?
A knife doesn't have to stop a bullet, and this is one of the first things anybody with gun training learns.
And if you had EVER had any kind of defensive knife training, you'd know it too.

And I never said that using anything for defense isn't "a last resort".
What I'm saying is "have a last resort", and in many jurisdictions, having a handgun is not allowed.
Regarding the part about getting killed or seriously injured, if it's a last resort, that goes without saying.
Do you suggest it's better to just let them kill you without a fight?

You may think I'm arrogant. I don't care about that.
I think you are a Pharce, just as your moniker suggests.
 
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twl said:
Are you familiar with the "21 foot rule"?
A knife doesn't have to stop a bullet, and this is one of the first things anybody with gun training learns.
And if you had EVER had any kind of defensive knife training, you'd know it too.

And I never said that using anything for defense isn't "a last resort".
What I'm saying is "have a last resort", and in many jurisdictions, having a handgun is not allowed.
Regarding the part about getting killed or seriously injured, if it's a last resort, that goes without saying.
Do you suggest it's better to just let them kill you without a fight?

You may think I'm arrogant. I don't care about that.
I think you are a douche.
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I'm aware of the 21 foot rule.....IF the assailant isn't waiting around a corner with his handgun already drawn. To be fair, though, if that's the case you're pretty much f'ed anyway. Regardless, with the 21 ft rule I'm either going to have to draw a knife or my pistol. Since I can deploy the pistol faster, that's what's coming out.

My POINT is that the majority of people who carry a knife do so thinking that it's going to somehow protect them when in fact it's just as likely to be used against them.

Of course you think I'm a douche, since my opinion differs from yours. You are the only one with a valid opinion, right?


BTW, I've had PLENTY of defensive knife training. Again, quit pretending you know anything about me. I'm just realistic about situations and know what it likely to happen when someone pulls a knife to defend themself.
 
I'm still thinking: use the tool to sharpen branches, and use rocks and sticks as weapons.
 
ThePharce said:
that might just be the coolest job ever...
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Well....I don't really like to talk about my job as a international secret agent/commando/Victoria's Secret photographer very much. Top secret, "for your eyes only" stuff, you know? Also, I don't like to talk about the kind of knives that us pro operators use. All I can say about it is that it has lots of writing and skulls on it. But I guess everybody knows that about pro knives, so it's safe to mention.
 
marcinek said:
Well....I don't really like to talk about my job as a international secret agent/commando/Victoria's Secret photographer very much. Top secret, "for your eyes only" stuff, you know? Also, I don't like to talk about the kind of knives that us pro operators use. All I can say about it is that it has lots of writing and skulls on it. But I guess everybody knows that about pro knives, so it's safe to mention.
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So does Dark Ops provide the knives gratis, or do you just get a discount?:D
 
ThePharce said:
So does Dark Ops provide the knives gratis, or do you just get a discount?:D
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Gratis. They supplied the knife I used to single handedly kill a famous terrorist. No documentation of it (top secret...duh!), but it was one of theirs.
 
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