EDC Work or Weapon?

[Warp]

So ridiculous that it's taught in Tennessee carry permit classes. If you are attacked by someone and after the fight only you are left alive; then there is only one story to tell. That is why, in those permit classes, you are taught that if you are going to discharge your weapon in self defense, your intent had better be to kill, not wound, your assailant.

Whoever runs that class needs to be fired. And possibly sued.

You shoot to stop. You shoot to prevent the imminent serious bodily harm or death that justified your use of lethal force.

 

[ThePharce]

Whoever runs that class needs to be fired. And possibly sued.

You shoot to stop. You shoot to prevent the imminent serious bodily harm or death that justified your use of lethal force.

Their point is that you aren't shooting to wound or maim. You are shooting to kill. Moreover, from a legal standpoint they are absolutely right. As an aside, you're stating that someone should have their career ended because you disagree with them?

 

[Warp]

Their point is that you aren't shooting to wound or maim. You are shooting to kill. Moreover, from a legal standpoint they are absolutely right. As an aside, you're stating that someone should have their career ended because you disagree with them?

They are wrong. They need to be fired. Nobody in that kind of position should ever fall for such a stupid myth, let alone repeat it to others from a position of 'authority'.


*You do not shoot to kill. You shoot to stop.

*Not having anybody to testify against you doesn't really help you. In case you are unaware, an awful lot of people have been convicted of various crimes, such as manslaughter or murder, when the deceased was not there to testify against them.



Are you a member at any of the larger firearms forums? THR, GT, etc? If so, please ask this question in the appropriate forum and provide a link or a heads up. I'd like to see that discussion. (though it wouldn't be the first time)

 

[stabman]

This thread makes me happy I don't get legal, defensive, or moral advice from the internet.

 

[dark impaler]

edc work.

 

[sharpenit]

Just some advice most and I mean the overwhelming super majority of the people on this earth who are carrying a knife for self defense would be killed by their own knife if they pulled it out.

This is the same argument made by anti-gun activists: You shouldn't even think about owning a gun for self-defense because if you try to use a gun against an assailant, most likely he'll take it away from you and use it on you. The assumption in this argument is that you're a helpless and inept wimp and your assailant is always going to be some ultra-skilled killer ninja. Thousands of ordinary people, including some quite elderly and frail, who have successfully used guns to defend themselves have proved otherwise.

 

[Alex17]

If you carry a knife and you think it's a weapon, read this and realize you may be a little too self-confident: http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifelies.html

 

[Dekz]

My knife is almost always a tool. Unless blister packages are envolved. I get mid evil on blister packs

Only half way evil? I go medieval on blister packs.

my weapon is whatever the situation calls for; if its my knife so beat it

On the other hand NOBODY teaches you to KILL; you shoot to STOP THE AGGRESSION and IF and only IF that means the assailant needs to die so beat it.

The phrase you're looking for is "so BE it".

 

[Alex17]

Only half way evil? I go medieval on blister packs.

I go prehistorical on blister packs.

 

[Andrew Colglazier]

Never mind.....

Andy

 

[drillsgt71]

I carry knives as tools that can be weapons. But with proper training, anything can be used as a weapon. I carry firearms as weapons and hope I don't need to use any ever again, but I'll do what I have to do. As for knife fights; I've said before that in the few knife fights I've been in, I never had time to get my knives out. I took his knife from him and yes I got cut but not the way he wanted to cut me. A few stitches are nothing to me and a lot better than what could have happened. No one wins a fight, but I survived all mine and don't want anymore.

 

[davek14]

If you carry a knife and you think it's a weapon, read this and realize you may be a little too self-confident: http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifelies.html

I was looking for this site to link to. Guy rightfully says there is no such thing as a knife "fight".

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"Weapons take it out of the arena of fighting and put it in the realm of combat."


"Quite simply, most knife assaults are assassination attempts...how they occur is significantly different than how one "knife fights.""
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He also mentions a fact I have stated when people speak against carrying a knife 'cause it's a weapon. A large stick or club is more effective than a knife in combat.

Asks how you would feel if you killed someone with a knife when you could have run. I get the feeling the man has killed and regretted it later in life.

Has pics of the aftermath of knife "fights".

Good site for all mall ninjas.

 

[flarp]

For me, my EDC knife is just a tool. In a desperate situation, I guess it could serve as a weapon, although I would sooner scavenge for anything to bludgeon or throw instead. Having no weapons training or martial arts background, I don't see my EDC knife (typically 2.5"-3" blade) being a particularly effective weapon in my hands.

 

[Warp]

He also mentions a fact I have stated when people speak against carrying a knife 'cause it's a weapon. A large stick or club is more effective than a knife in combat.

That is a good point and I would much rather have one than a knife for self defense. However, a "large stick or club" doesn't fit in your pocket so I have no idea why you could compare them directly in an one-or-the-other manner.

 

[davek14]

That is a good point and I would much rather have one than a knife for self defense. However, a "large stick or club" doesn't fit in your pocket so I have no idea why you could compare them directly in an one-or-the-other manner.

Because one can often be found nearby fairly easily.

 

[Noctis3880]

Because one can often be found nearby fairly easily.

Maybe it's because we have palm trees here, but I haven't found a club or stick anywhere when walking to work the past 3 years. And not having a lot of construction going on, I haven't found a decent sized brick or rock either. I might have come upon the occasional beer bottle, but nothing consistent enough to say I could find one "easily", much less when I need it. I also don't think the thug looking to mug me is going to wait a few minutes for me to search for one before demanding my wallet.

Just sayin'.

 

[Warp]

Because one can often be found nearby fairly easily.

This does not apply to me, or the places I go.

And I doubt that if I was to be attacked I would have the time to locate and acquire a large stick or club worthy of defensive use.

One word: Cane

 

[Charlie Mike]

That's why I carry either a fixed blade or a waved folder of at least 4" sharpened.

 

[sharpenit]

By Jim Woods

The Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch Sunday December 18, 2011 8:17 AM



One man died and another man was hospitalized after an argument turned into a knife fight outside a Near East Side convenience store yesterday afternoon.

Police were called to the Wash N’ Shop store at 1328 Granville St., across from Poindexter Village, at 4:15 p.m.

Police said Edwin Walker, 50, of North Linden, was taken by paramedics to Grant Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 4:40 p.m.

Within minutes after the stabbing, Michael Tigney, 49, address unknown, was taken by private vehicle and dropped off at the Grant Medical Center emergency room, said Sgt. Christ Holzhauser of the Columbus Police homicide squad.

Both men had multiple stab wounds.

Tigney is in stable condition at Grant Medical Center and is expected to survive, Holzhauser said. He told police that he acted in self-defense, Holzhauser said.

Police have recovered two knives. One was found outside the store.

Detectives also are looking at the car that went to the hospital.

No arrests have been made.

 

[Blade_Crazy]

Looking for people who have had to use a knife for SD is how I got to Bladeforums in the first place.

From what I've read from military, security, and LE, as well as regular guys,

1) Knives are very seldom carried for utility and weapon use.

2) They are even less often carried solely as weapons.

3) Even a knife which is pulled is almost never used.

4) When a knife is used, the results are brutal, even if both parties live.

Most "knife fights" are the result of alcohol augmenting poor judgment. One or more people go to jail, one or more people go to the cemetary.

I used to have this illusion of "knife as emergency SD tool". Then I went looking for people who have really been there. Now whatever I have in my pocket is there to cut things. Never people.

My knife story is similar I used to carry as a weapon, Then I got on here and did a little research. My knife is a tool not a weapon.

A good read on the subject (and many more in relation to SD) http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifelies.html I read a lot of this and It changed the way I think of self defense.