Emerson Calls Bullsh*t

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Regardless of Mr. Emerson's sarcasm, my experience with his knives has been impeccable. I've owned 2 CQC-7's, a mini CQC-15, 2 CQC-14's, 2 Commanders and an HD-7, and I have nothing but good things to say about them. From my 8 Emerson knives, my experience has been superlative...I wouldn't trade any knife in the world for my HD-7 and I hope, one day to be lucky enough to procure a CQC-6.
Justin
 
Stabman, Tokerblue, alpine0000, knifeknut66, Haze, Seedsacker.

I find it really funny that you guys jump on Emerson for backing up his product and being a little sarcastic. You say he onlp pops up to to dis his customers, maybe thats because it's very well known on all knife forums and in the knife community that this forum has a real problem with untrue claims about Emerson and Strider knives. One of you mentioned not purchasing his product because of a shaky repuation. I find it funny that this is the only pace where Ernest Emerson has a shaky repuation....... hmmm coindience. When I first started joining knife forums and getting heavily involved in the knife industry I as worned by many people including members of this forum about this. A good friend and an ABS mastersmith told me to spend my time sparingly here as it is one of the most dishonorable forums with some of the most arrogarant members who have nothng better to do than hate on EKI. If I were to based my judgement of this forum based on the first thread I read and your comments, I would probably never come back. But alass as I am a man of honor justlike Ernest Emerson. He wouldnt have to come over here and be sarcastic if members like you didnt make up or pass falsifications a truth, and being a business owner he has every right to call you out especially if what your saying is untrue or just plain old hate speak with no basis or truth.

Stabman- You must have some bad luck, or you are buying emerson fakes, which there are alot out here. Try buying from a reputable dealer, and yes there are alot of fake emersons out there because it is such a popuar brand with a repuation for some of the best knives and customer service in the world.

Toker Blue- having owned and traded well over 50 emerson knives ive always been satisfied with fit and finish, again watch for fakes. Also fit and finish is highly opianated everone knows if you want a pretty knife of musuem quality you buy a chris reeve. If you want a solid hard use knife that your life could depend on, everyone knows get an emerson.

Alpine0000- I would be upset true if people were spreading the propganda like they do on this forum The Emerson name is synomus with loyalty, respect, and honor. He puts his name on his knives,and again this forum had a verryvery very bad repuation for jealousy and unbacked myths about emerson knives, dont believe me ask around on any other knife and alot of gun and edc forums. Mr. Emerson puts his all into his products, the way you people speak and type is more of a personal attack on his family name. Personlly I se nothing wrong with what he said, and actually think he was pretty easy on you guys. I'm a business owner and far as the customer is aways right, thats a crock of bull. As far as threatning to not buy his products, the man has years of backorders, and can hardly keep up on his production line. I dont speak for the man, but I bet he probably wont miss you. Emerson knives are carried by some of the most noble and honorable warriors in the world, and the average joe. Those are who these great knives hands should be in, not arrogarant persons such as yourself who complain and whine when someone calls you out. Do us real emerson fans a favor and donate your knife to a solider, you seem more like a cold steal guy. You obviously know nothing of emerson the man to have the audacity to say he has and ego is appaling. The man is one of the most fine examples of loyalty, respect, honor, and brotherhood. He has no ego he is just proud and he very well should be, he started as a no name knife maker who gre his busniness into one of the most profitable of all time. His products are in the pockets of some of the most unselfish comunity serving military, police, fire, and ems and your average worker. That he has an ego may be your opinon, but your opinion is wrong, you sir need to apologize and retract that statement immediately thank you. Also as far as his productions knives go there are most defiently not dozens of better companies expext maybe Sal glesser of spyderco. Also before you say something I do not work for Emerso knives. Infact before I owned my own business I made a living working for an extremly large production knife company B****M**E. I'm happy to say I went to work everyday with an emerson knife in my pocket. When the boss asked me why I looked him straight in the eye and told him being a firefighter, EMT, and former bouncer My life and the life of others depend on the blade I carry. He looked at me and said " your point being" I replied with " my point being compared to my emerson every folding and fix blades from this company are extremly sub par nd dont even come close to touching this knife."

KnifeKnut- It's your money, but I would strongly suggest not writing off Emerson completely, I swear scouts honor (Eagle Scout here) that the only place on this planet where he has a shaky repuation is on this forum. Dont believe me go to any other forum or better yet go to a knife show and asked about Mr. Emerson rep, it is second to none. Like I said before this forum has a rep for being one of the most dishonorable forum there is with alot of arrogarant people who are keyboard commandos. Ask nyone and they will tell ou alot of these members just lain hate on emerson and strider knives out of jealousy. Believe me sir if you buy an emerson, you can always return it you will be introdcing yourself to a whole new class of knives. Spyderco, Benchmade, crkt, buck, kershaw and zero tolerance dont even come close to touching emerson knives. Worked for benchmade for three years, probaly one of the "better" production knives out there, still not even close as far as quality is concerned. Only knives I ever owned fom benchmade were the x-mas knives, gave em away immediately still dnt own one. Also Emerson knives are 100% and I do mean ONE HUNDRED PERCENT made in the usa. Do yourself a favor just buy one.

PJ- most Emerson spa trips are for sharpening, maybe Emerson has alot of knives to fix because his customers know an emerson knife can do alot more than a seb. Also alot of people who own Emerson knives use them hard as there meant to be cause there not a "pretty gentlemans knife" as the quote says " Emerson knives, famous in the worst places" Thats because when Ernie started making his custom knives alot of them were bought up by the military, black ops, skull murker, operator straight nightmare bad ass types. Your whole post is pretty much a 100% lie. You also need to aplologize, and you also seem like a Cold Steal guy yourself.

Haze- atleast your smart enough to not make yourself look like to much of a fool by typing, you just agreed with stabman's post so take the time to re-read it as it apply's to you also than.

Seedsacker- If you really knew what kind of man Ernie is you would retract your statement and be bashing these guys instead of just siding with them. Again if you knew how much of a crock of bul these guys are spewing for no other reason than jealousy, or envy. Also if you ever held and emerson you would buy one and than realize that compared to what lies these guys were making up Mr. Emerson took it really really easy on them. Oh well if you dont want to buy an emerson your loss not mine or Emerson's

like I said if I were to base my opinon of this forum on what you guys have been saying about one of the Most respected, honorable and loyal Man and company of all time in edge weapon/tools history. I would say that this forum is made up of no good, lying, dishonorable members. But I know not all members here are like you guys. Like i've mentioned before the repuation of this forum because of people such as you fellows is horrible, infact on 3 forums I belong to we do not even speak you name to advert a pissing match. Another has a 26 page shit list of bad dealings with members, and mods here. Also bad trades and sales, also if I remember correctly this forum has a thread of members of this forum who should be black listed from all forums, and knife related events, it even goes as ar as saying whenever possible these members of this list should be ripped off everyime they try to make a deal or sale. Luckily for all of you I'm not that type of guy. Ok so since im pretty much right and make many valid points in the Spirit if this forum you guys ill prob start hating on me now because it what you guys do best, instead of trying to advance todays knife culture which IS under attack. I hope when I stick around here not all the other members are like you guys cause then I just wasted 30 secs of my life on this P.O.S

- Most defiently not respectfully or sincerely, Ryan Paul Bray Sworn Member O.B.S.
 
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Alpine0000- I would be upset true if people were spreading the propganda like they do on this forum The Emerson name is synomus with loyalty, respect, and honor. The man was a freaking navy seal for god sakes, he uts his name on his knives,and again this forum had a verryvery very bad repuation for jealousy and unbacked myths about emerson knives, dont believe me ask around on any other knife and alot of gun and edc forums.

Emerson did make knives for the SEAL teams and teach combatives, but doing a quick search around the net doesn't say anything about graduating BUD/S or serving with the SEALs.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I could of sworn or Iheard that, I will verify, if I am wrong I will edit my post, and take full responsibilty for the misinformation.

I read the info I had wrong Ernest Emerson was never a navy seal justassociated with them through his blades and being a friend og Richard Marcinko. I apologize and take full responsibilty for typing the wrong info, le it be known it was not on purpose just a mistake do to a lack of attention to detail. Thanks to member Apec for correcting me.
 
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Stabman, Tokerblue, alpine0000, knifeknut66, Haze, Seedsacker.

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Stabman- You must have some bad luck, or you are buying emerson fakes, which there are alot out here. Try buying from a reputable dealer, and yes there are alot of fake emersons out there because it is such a popuar brand with a repuation for some of the best knives and customer service in the world.

Haze- atleast your smart enough to not make yourself look like to much of a fool by typing, you just agreed with stabman's post so take the time to re-read it as it apply's to you also than.

- Most defiently not respectfully or sincerely, Ryan Paul Bray Sworn Member O.B.S.

Well, the Emerson knives that I have owned and worked on easily break the tripple figure mark so I do actually know what I'm talking about.

What about you ???

I have had very few knives that had real problems but pretty much all of them had the same questionable finish I have a problem with. ie. scales/liners/ spacers never fit properly. lazer cutting marks left on the liners. (literally minutes to fix, I do it regularly so I'm sure Mr. Emerson can do it too). Things like burnt tips and rounded points are obviously still with in spec as far as EKI are concerned so fair enough. I still feel it shouldn't be.

As to Mr. Emerson fantasticly sarcastic responce in which he basically called me and others a liar, and did nothing to address the points his paying customers brought up.....well........what can I say really........

Also, have a look at Mr. Emersons post history, he has may be interacted with members here on a hand full of occasions at best. The rest is advertisments for his products and seminars. So yes, I do agree with Stabman there because is 100% on the money.

One other thing, I ant' no fool mate, that's for sure............
 
I am assuming that Mr. Emerson is an honorable, respectable, and loyal man, as Mr. Ryan Paul Bray put it, even though I have never met the man himself.

I am assuming that every member on this forum, especially those who posted on this thread are honorable, respectable and loyal, even though I have never met anyone on this forum.

I own an Emerson Super Commander. I bought it from a reputable shop here in the Philippines and bought it at more than retail price (knives are way more expensive here). The blade and edge is excellent. I couldn't say the same thing for the pivot and the lock. The pivot comes loose from opening the knife. The lock goes up to 50% of the tang when it came out of the box. I had to tighten the pivot but I couldn't wave the knife property, if I loosen the pivot the lock would sometimes go 100% of the way. I had to use two hands to unlock the knife. Just waving the knife 4-5 times would be enough to loosen the pivot so that the lock would go 100% of the blade tang. It would be no problem... if I hadn't paid $344 for the knife.

Some people pose a solution to the lock sticking as taking the knife apart and cleaning and lubing it up. As for the pivot, some people would say use loctite. For a $344 knife, I shouldn't have to be bothered doing those things, IMHO.

Mr. Emerson, I hope you will be reading this, I would love to take you up on your offer, as you so generously titled "Emerson calls on bullsh*t", and send the knife in. But you see, sending the knife in from the Philippines all the way to the US would cost me $124, which I would rather spend on another knife.

Mr. Emerson, I would love to send you pictures that about my super commander problems but shouldn't you just take my word and consider it honorable, after all, I am assuming that you are honorable yourself.

Mr. Emerson, I sincerely hope that you take the problems being stated in these forums as constructive criticism. If you do this, instead of lashing out at us, your customers, then probably you can use this as feedback and better the manufacturing process of your knives.

While I do not buy my knives based on the personality of the owner but based on the quality of the knife, I must admit I am severely distressed with the way Mr. Emerson calls out my supposed bullsh*t. My assumption of Mr. Emerson being an honorable, respectable and loyal man is somewhat shaken a bit.

P.S.

Mr. Ryan Paul Bray, I hope you are reading this, too. I am assuming that you are an honorable man and I hope you extend that assumption to me unlike your presumption of Mssrs. Stabman, Tokerblue, alpine0000, knifeknut66, Haze, & Seedsacker. You would benefit much from reversing your blanket prejudice that bladeforums is just pure jealousy and unbacked myths about Emerson knives. Respectfully speaking, of course.
 
I have been on the fence about buying an Emerson Karambit or a MOD auto. After reading this I have decided it will be the Emerson as soon as I can raise the funds.
 
I still await your responce to my post Mr. "Ryan Paul Bray Sworn Member O.B.S."

You read my post so let's hear what you have to say about my observations as a long time owner and user of Emerson
knives, and please answer my question to you about the knives you own and use as well as the other points in my post.

You had an awfull lot to say earlier............:rolleyes:

Not to mention calling us scum. :thumbdn:

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Gentlemen, Mr. Emerson came here to address the issues. Let's not get side-tracked by personal animosity and mutual insults. We don't need cross-forum bashing, either.
 
Obviously he's not here to address the issues. He's here to call customers who are not satisfied with his products liars.

Edit: I'm also tired of the fanboys keep saying "send it in and they'll take care of you".

why the hell should i need to send my knives back to its factory after all? Shouldn't it be right out of the factory? Shouldn't the designers do a better job so customers won't suffer?

A knifemaker of factory owner can offer free warrenty work all he wants, but that doesn't make customers with problematic products much happier.
 
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Stabman- You must have some bad luck, or you are buying emerson fakes, which there are alot out here. Try buying from a reputable dealer, and yes there are alot of fake emersons out there because it is such a popuar brand with a repuation for some of the best knives and customer service in the world.

Bought from Warriors and Wonders, a registered Emerson dealer.
Get your facts straight before making yourself look foolish by trying to paint me as a lier.
 
Bought from Warriors and Wonders, a registered Emerson dealer.
Get your facts straight before making yourself look foolish by trying to paint me as a lier.

It's funny how Mr. Emerson himself used the same tactic. Quite sometime ago a friend who has remote connection with me had a problematic Emerson. He posted on BF and Mr. Emerson argued that he got a fake and that genuine emersons will not have such problems.

This friend was from China, from memory that's what Mr. Emerson based his theory upon. How biased.

I know 100% that this guy's emersons are genuine by the way.
 
Haze, have nothing else to say said it all in my first post and I stick to it, really nothing else to be had ay I allready got a warning because I guess your not allow to disagree with people on this forum. I still call B.S. on everyone's posts.
 
Stabman, Tokerblue, alpine0000, knifeknut66, Haze, Seedsacker.

He wouldnt have to come over here and be sarcastic if members like you didnt make up or pass falsifications a truth, and being a business owner he has every right to call you out especially if what your saying is untrue or just plain old hate speak with no basis or truth.
Please find ONE post by me EVER saying anything negative about Emerson Knives. As said in my post: Love the knives, but E.E. is classless. I have never trash-talked an Emerson Knife, thankyouverymuch :thumbup:


Alpine0000-the way you people speak and type is more of a personal attack on his family name.
No, it has nothing to do with his family or his name. Are you kidding me? It has everything to do with his poor conduct and confrontation with his customers ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS! I can't say that I believe you when you say you own a business, and if you really do, I would like to see you call BULLSHIT on your customers everytime you dont see eye-to-eye with them, and see how long it takes you to run your business into the ground. It's just, in general, VERY POOR business ethics. I see that you never went to business school (and am willing to bet my life and paycheck that neither did E.E.).


Alpine0000-...The man is one of the most fine examples of loyalty, respect, honor, and brotherhood.
I just got back from a tour in Iraq. I know all about loyalty, honor, and respect, brother.
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What'd you do for Christmas last year? Did you have a great time with the family? I remained on patrol in Iraq, safeguarding us and our families, working a 17 hour shift.
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And what'd you do for Thanksgiving last year? You can probably guess where I was.
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And what about New Years, your Birthday, and Valentine's day? Like I said... I know all about loyalty, honor, and respect, sir.

Alpine0000-... That he has an ego may be your opinon, but your opinion is wrong, you sir need to apologize and retract that statement immediately thank you.
Really? So it's just MY OPINION that he made a confrontational post towards his customers?? And I should apologize? Wow. Haha. You really *ARE* an Emerson fanboy drinking the Kool-Aid.


Alpine0000-... Emerson knives are carried by some of the most noble and honorable warriors in the world, and the average joe.
Maybe, but I thought I'd note that most of the soldiers in Camp Anaconda Iraq last year were carrying either Benchmades or Striders, or the Gerber Multi-tool that was issued. I don't think I saw a single one with an Emerson. I'm not saying that none do, I am saying that I think you have yourself fooled that this is the brand, by-and-large, that soldiers and the like are carrying. There ARE other brands out there that are just as tough, with BETTER fit-and-finish. In fact, the only people that I've ever seen with an Emerson are Average Joe's. Now, I don't think it's because Emerson Knives aren't up to the job, I think it's because they don't sell Emerson on base in the PX. Usually if guys want to skip the PX and order a high-end knife online, I think Strider gets a lot of that business. Just my personal experience (and I have been around the world and back, and have been around more military guys than you can imagine), yours may vary.


Alpine0000-...I replied with " my point being compared to my emerson every folding and fix blades from this company are extremly sub par nd dont even come close to touching this knife."
Yup, my suspiscions are correct. You ARE an Emerson fanboy who's a little too passionate and overly defensive. Maybe one day you'll see the light. Are Emerson knives great? Sure. Are they a knife that "No other company can ever come close to"? Doubtful. Expand your horizon. There are LOTS of other great knife companies out there.

Again, I do not hate Emerson knives. My first experience with them was actually a Benchmade Emerson back around 1995. Then came the CQC-7 and the Commander. Real decent product. Not decent enough for me to overlook E.E.'s poor composure and keep feeding his bank account while he trash-talks back to his customers like a third-grader, though.

RESPECTFULLY,

William Smith
 
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Haze, have nothing else to say said it all in my first post and I stick to it, really nothing else to be had ay I allready got a warning because I guess your not allow to disagree with people on this forum. I still call B.S. on everyone's posts.

That's funny, this is pretty much exactly what I was expecting you to say. :rolleyes:

You obviously have nothing to add here but "koolaid" gargling noises, at best......so just run along now you silly little troll.

(you got a warning for calling some of the members here "scum", it had nothing to do with not agreeing with people by the way).
 
You don't get warnings for disagreeing. People have been disagreeing on this subject for quite some time. Name calling however is anoter matter.
 
I still call B.S. on everyone's posts.

Then you are a fool.
I still have the e-mails regarding the repair on the Combat Karambit, both the ones sent to Emerson by me, and the e-mails from him.
He tried the "is it a fake?" tactic, but had to admit that Warriors and Wonders is not only a registered dealer, but one of their bigger ones.
I also have the receipt still for the original purchase.
But don't let facts get in the way of your blindly made accusations.:cool:
 
I for one can't stand that kind of tone coming from a knifemaker. It could have been handled in a much more professional way than that rant of a post.

The quality of the factory Emersons are not that great, but not to bad for the price IMO. You get about what you pay for, and thats fair enough. But with the tone of your post I will be selling the two good ones I hung onto, and will never buy another.

I know your buisness is sooo GREAT now(as you tell us) that you can post what you want without fear of loosing buisness. But it may not be that way forever, and would think real hard before I ever started a rant like that again.
 
:thumbdn: Is it just me or does it seem that lately more than a few owners of knife manufacturing companies have made really out of character, just horrible choices and decisions in some of their responses to customers? There are a couple old sayings that come to mind as I read this thread and a couple other threads too here on the EKI forum. Perhaps some of these old sayings are worth a review. Native American Lore states, "a man who walks with his head held high cannot see what lies in his path and is sure to stumble. A man who walks with his eyes cast downward in humility will not stray from the path." Yet another? " You make choices and you live with them." Perhaps my favorite yet is the one that goes, "you cannot unring a bell." As for reading the holy books of the world from that other thread, well I can only add this, again relating to some old sayings. Some of you should re-read certain parts of some of the holy books you have available to you and pay particular attention to passages like maybe Matthew 23:12 for starters. "For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."


I believe these sayings hold true here for several people in the knife industry lately including Mr. Emerson. In my opinion some of you guys are your own worst enemies, not that I'm not guilty of this at times myself. But you would do better for yourselves to stop tooting your own horn so much and stick with what you do best, doing so quietly rather than 'bragging' about all your accomplishments, connections and worthiness to the world. By the way, bragging indicates deep seated insecurity, and yes I was a psychology major in college. That insecurity coming out with your ego and your arrogance is what drives the need to prove your self worth by continually throwing that out there and its no different than those that go around stating how they are not afraid of this or that when in truth they are, generally speaking the most afraid of all! Insecurity is what drives or rather, motivates a lot of folks of high accomplishment in the world though as they continually try to prove to themselves and others their own value and worth to the world so this should not surprise me I guess but still, it does surprise me to some extent at those behaving this way. You guys need to be aware that you really divulge more of your own inner workings by these ridculous ramblings than you may realize. The ego on some of you! Wow! So long as you are cool with it thats fine but if you are not aware of it well, now you are. Personally, I'm not impressed. Seems to me that actions speak louder than words and by these actions it seems to represent the opposite of what is being said at times, at least to me.

Anyway, I'd comment on the knives but at this writing I no longer own an Emerson anything; as I sold off my last ones not long ago so I have nothing to say on them and really don't care. :thumbdn:

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I have been on the fence about buying an Emerson Karambit or a MOD auto. After reading this I have decided it will be the Emerson as soon as I can raise the funds.

Interesting. After reading this and the other thread, I am now never going to buy an Emerson.
 
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