Emerson Calls Bullsh*t

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PJ- most Emerson spa trips are for sharpening, maybe Emerson has alot of knives to fix because his customers know an emerson knife can do alot more than a seb. Also alot of people who own Emerson knives use them hard as there meant to be cause there not a "pretty gentlemans knife" as the quote says " Emerson knives, famous in the worst places" Thats because when Ernie started making his custom knives alot of them were bought up by the military, black ops, skull murker, operator straight nightmare bad ass types. Your whole post is pretty much a 100% lie. You also need to aplologize, and you also seem like a Cold Steal guy yourself.
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lol, a "Cold Steal guy", that's a good one.
well, believe or not, Cold Steel knives are in fact much tougher than emerson knives in many instances . Please prove to me that I was lying, please.

Please tell me you have examined and studied the designs of folders and you truely believe that emerson designs are good. Doesn't even have to be super, just good. They are not.

you call 3mm thick spine with saber grind and chisel sharpening tough? Emerson knives are anything but tough. Try some other brands at the same price range and you'll have better luck.

Edit: there's probably no point stating this part but, i can tell you that i've had owned more than 100 production folders above $100 internet price, from $120ish kershaws, benchmades, spydercos, emersons, to 400ish CRs and Striders. I've studied their designs along the way, and out of all, emerson knives have the worst coating, worst structural design and sub par f/f. One thing i'd give Emerson knives for is the wave feature, but it wears the lock like crazy.
 
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rbray said:
Stabman, Tokerblue, alpine0000, knifeknut66, Haze, Seedsacker.

I find it really funny that you guys jump on Emerson for backing up his product and being a little sarcastic. You say he onlp pops up to to dis his customers, maybe thats because it's very well known on all knife forums and in the knife community that this forum has a real problem with untrue claims about Emerson and Strider knives. One of you mentioned not purchasing his product because of a shaky repuation. I find it funny that this is the only pace where Ernest Emerson has a shaky repuation....... hmmm coindience. When I first started joining knife forums and getting heavily involved in the knife industry I as worned by many people including members of this forum about this. A good friend and an ABS mastersmith told me to spend my time sparingly here as it is one of the most dishonorable forums with some of the most arrogarant members who have nothng better to do than hate on EKI. If I were to based my judgement of this forum based on the first thread I read and your comments, I would probably never come back. But alass as I am a man of honor justlike Ernest Emerson. He wouldnt have to come over here and be sarcastic if members like you didnt make up or pass falsifications a truth, and being a business owner he has every right to call you out especially if what your saying is untrue or just plain old hate speak with no basis or truth.

Stabman- You must have some bad luck, or you are buying emerson fakes, which there are alot out here. Try buying from a reputable dealer, and yes there are alot of fake emersons out there because it is such a popuar brand with a repuation for some of the best knives and customer service in the world.

Toker Blue- having owned and traded well over 50 emerson knives ive always been satisfied with fit and finish, again watch for fakes. Also fit and finish is highly opianated everone knows if you want a pretty knife of musuem quality you buy a chris reeve. If you want a solid hard use knife that your life could depend on, everyone knows get an emerson.

Alpine0000- I would be upset true if people were spreading the propganda like they do on this forum The Emerson name is synomus with loyalty, respect, and honor. He puts his name on his knives,and again this forum had a verryvery very bad repuation for jealousy and unbacked myths about emerson knives, dont believe me ask around on any other knife and alot of gun and edc forums. Mr. Emerson puts his all into his products, the way you people speak and type is more of a personal attack on his family name. Personlly I se nothing wrong with what he said, and actually think he was pretty easy on you guys. I'm a business owner and far as the customer is aways right, thats a crock of bull. As far as threatning to not buy his products, the man has years of backorders, and can hardly keep up on his production line. I dont speak for the man, but I bet he probably wont miss you. Emerson knives are carried by some of the most noble and honorable warriors in the world, and the average joe. Those are who these great knives hands should be in, not arrogarant persons such as yourself who complain and whine when someone calls you out. Do us real emerson fans a favor and donate your knife to a solider, you seem more like a cold steal guy. You obviously know nothing of emerson the man to have the audacity to say he has and ego is appaling. The man is one of the most fine examples of loyalty, respect, honor, and brotherhood. He has no ego he is just proud and he very well should be, he started as a no name knife maker who gre his busniness into one of the most profitable of all time. His products are in the pockets of some of the most unselfish comunity serving military, police, fire, and ems and your average worker. That he has an ego may be your opinon, but your opinion is wrong, you sir need to apologize and retract that statement immediately thank you. Also as far as his productions knives go there are most defiently not dozens of better companies expext maybe Sal glesser of spyderco. Also before you say something I do not work for Emerso knives. Infact before I owned my own business I made a living working for an extremly large production knife company B****M**E. I'm happy to say I went to work everyday with an emerson knife in my pocket. When the boss asked me why I looked him straight in the eye and told him being a firefighter, EMT, and former bouncer My life and the life of others depend on the blade I carry. He looked at me and said " your point being" I replied with " my point being compared to my emerson every folding and fix blades from this company are extremly sub par nd dont even come close to touching this knife."

KnifeKnut- It's your money, but I would strongly suggest not writing off Emerson completely, I swear scouts honor (Eagle Scout here) that the only place on this planet where he has a shaky repuation is on this forum. Dont believe me go to any other forum or better yet go to a knife show and asked about Mr. Emerson rep, it is second to none. Like I said before this forum has a rep for being one of the most dishonorable forum there is with alot of arrogarant people who are keyboard commandos. Ask nyone and they will tell ou alot of these members just lain hate on emerson and strider knives out of jealousy. Believe me sir if you buy an emerson, you can always return it you will be introdcing yourself to a whole new class of knives. Spyderco, Benchmade, crkt, buck, kershaw and zero tolerance dont even come close to touching emerson knives. Worked for benchmade for three years, probaly one of the "better" production knives out there, still not even close as far as quality is concerned. Only knives I ever owned fom benchmade were the x-mas knives, gave em away immediately still dnt own one. Also Emerson knives are 100% and I do mean ONE HUNDRED PERCENT made in the usa. Do yourself a favor just buy one.

PJ- most Emerson spa trips are for sharpening, maybe Emerson has alot of knives to fix because his customers know an emerson knife can do alot more than a seb. Also alot of people who own Emerson knives use them hard as there meant to be cause there not a "pretty gentlemans knife" as the quote says " Emerson knives, famous in the worst places" Thats because when Ernie started making his custom knives alot of them were bought up by the military, black ops, skull murker, operator straight nightmare bad ass types. Your whole post is pretty much a 100% lie. You also need to aplologize, and you also seem like a Cold Steal guy yourself.

Haze- atleast your smart enough to not make yourself look like to much of a fool by typing, you just agreed with stabman's post so take the time to re-read it as it apply's to you also than.

Seedsacker- If you really knew what kind of man Ernie is you would retract your statement and be bashing these guys instead of just siding with them. Again if you knew how much of a crock of bul these guys are spewing for no other reason than jealousy, or envy. Also if you ever held and emerson you would buy one and than realize that compared to what lies these guys were making up Mr. Emerson took it really really easy on them. Oh well if you dont want to buy an emerson your loss not mine or Emerson's

like I said if I were to base my opinon of this forum on what you guys have been saying about one of the Most respected, honorable and loyal Man and company of all time in edge weapon/tools history. I would say that this forum is made up of no good, lying, dishonorable members. But I know not all members here are like you guys. Like i've mentioned before the repuation of this forum because of people such as you fellows is horrible, infact on 3 forums I belong to we do not even speak you name to advert a pissing match. Another has a 26 page shit list of bad dealings with members, and mods here. Also bad trades and sales, also if I remember correctly this forum has a thread of members of this forum who should be black listed from all forums, and knife related events, it even goes as ar as saying whenever possible these members of this list should be ripped off everyime they try to make a deal or sale. Luckily for all of you I'm not that type of guy. Ok so since im pretty much right and make many valid points in the Spirit if this forum you guys ill prob start hating on me now because it what you guys do best, instead of trying to advance todays knife culture which IS under attack. I hope when I stick around here not all the other members are like you guys cause then I just wasted 30 secs of my life on this P.O.S

- Most defiently not respectfully or sincerely, Ryan Paul Bray Sworn Member O.B.S.
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Well, there again you are wrong. I find this forum to be quite fair, balanced, and respectful for the most part. If it wasn't I wouldn't waste my time and money being a member here. Also, I am not basing my opinion on just one post on this forum, I'm basing it on several posts on several different forums whom shall remain nameless. Get your facts straight before you call me a liar or scum. Thanks.
 
I have 7 Emersons and have no issues with any of them. That said, just because I haven't had problems doesn't mean other guys haven't. To put a blanket "You're all liars" statement on the posts of some of the members here is assinine. Take it on a case by case basis or don't take it at all.

-Tye
 
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Haze, have nothing else to say ... forum. I still call B.S. on everyone's posts.
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You claimed to be a man of honor like Mr. emerson, yet your last response does not show it. You still call B.S. on everyone's post, that's okay as long as you have inspected the "defective" knives mentioned by unsatisfactory customers. Have you inspected them yet ? Otherwise, what are you trying to say ? That we are all liars without knowing for a fact if our complaints are reasonable ? :confused:

This is a very simple problem. Some of us claimed that they had received sub-standard Emersons knives. No one from Emerson knives company responded to our complaints. FACT : Mr. Emerson sure took his time in responding our complaints. FACT : what we said about Emerson knives company are not meant to be personal attacts.

FACT : it would have been better if Mr. Emerson would apologize that no one had responded to our complaints, offer us explanation and finally, offer us to send in our defective knives for inspection rather than calling our complaints "bullshits". And, thanks Mr. Emerson for using the word "bullshit". I guess it really shows what kind of person you are now.

Let me remind you of : "always act in a noble and chivalrous manner, worthy of respect and honor." "bullshit" ? yeah, that's very noble and chivalry of you... :rolleyes:
 
I have to agree with some comments in previous posts. Benchmade Emerson was so much better than the EKI folders. I abused mine for 3 years, and the lock never moved from its initial locking spot. I wrist flicked it so many times, but the lock never gave up. I regret losing that beast. It was the 970 if memory serves.

Cold Steel makes some excellent folders. My favorite so far is Cold Steel Spartan. Has anyone handled it ? That thing is a monster ! Words fail to describe the lock on the Spartan. You find EKI knives are tough ? Wait til you handle the Spartan, and it will only cost you a fraction of EKI's folders. I bought mine for $65-$70 last year.

" I'm happy to say I went to work everyday with an emerson knife in my pocket. When the boss asked me why I looked him straight in the eye and told him being a firefighter, EMT, and former bouncer My life and the life of others depend on the blade I carry. He looked at me and said " your point being" I replied with " my point being compared to my emerson every folding and fix blades from this company are extremly sub par nd dont even come close to touching this knife." "

ooookay.... this is kinda weird. Some better answers would be "I like Emerson knives better", or "Emerson knives holds some sentimental values for me". I don't think saying "hey boss, your products suck. mine is better than what you make" would be a wise answer to your boss. Have you really worked for somebody ?

I'm assuming that you were carrying a folder at that time (I don't think Emerson makes pocket sized fixed blade), and you would depend your life on your folder rather than a fixed blade from B****M**E ? Are you serious ? :confused:
 
I have one Emerson folder, and I liked it. But after reading this post and lack of respect for a lot of members that I will never buy another knife from Emerson, and will sell mine as well. There was no class or honor in this post.

-Mark
 
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Emerson designs some of the finest knives in the world without a doubt. Unfortunately, after owning several, the two I used had to be sent back for lock problems. One was a cqc-10, the other a cqc-12. -They were both fixed under warrantee.
 
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Ok so since im pretty much right and make many valid points in the Spirit if this forum you guys ill prob start hating on me now because it what you guys do best, instead of trying to advance todays knife culture which IS under attack.
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Are you, by any chance, Napoleon Dynamite?

Your fourth grade English teacher called. She'd like to speak to you regarding your grammar. One can hardly take you seriously when you can't complete a sentence, let alone make a valid point.
 
Dear Members,

I just had a meeting this morning to address some of the issues brought up in the posts on this forum. There are a couple of changes we are looking at to decrease lock wear to a minimum. We actually have better lock engagement and wear on knives that have come through in the last couple of months due to some changes we made a couple of months back.

There are some other issues that I will also be addressing, here in our shop and somewhere in this forum.

When I first started the company I was given some sage advice by Gary Randall, son of Bo Randall. He said to me “Always remember there are those who applaud success and those who begrudge success.”

I’ve got that.

Believe me, I see it, hear it and feel it.

But again as I have stated before, finishes, ripples, perfect fits, are all subjects of opinion. I have some very expensive guns and they all have different degrees of fit and finish, yet all are described as perfect, flawless and precision crafted, etc. Yet all are different than each other in various respects.

I also have guns that will run and run and their fit and finish is just, whatever it is, with no claims of being flawless, precision, perfectly it, etc., being claimed or expected.

So in terms of what my knives are, once again, I say this; I’ve never claimed they were perfect, had perfectly matched handles, highly finished liners or any of those things.

They are basically the same as when I started the company. Unfortunately some of you condemn the knives for what they are and what they have been since the beginning. They are tools.

For those of you of you that ilk, there are plenty of other choices for you out there and you will never be satisfied with our product.

In regard to other issues, things that are broken, stripped, and defective as I said before; These are physical tangible things that can and should be addressed by any manufacturer. Which we will do anytime we are made aware of them. But again, as I said before; “Where are those knives?”

I just find it ironic that if you are one who has negative comments about Emerson Knives or me personally, you applaud each other as champions of truth and justice. Yet if someone has positive things to say or takes issue with the negative comments, they are criticized as being starry eyed fans who cannot think for themselves.

Are their opinions and experiences any less valid than yours? It would appear to be so, as there are always a number of posts, mainly from the same few that try to invalidate their stance by making claims of alleged expertise, owning or having had hundreds of knives, or the like.

Or are those positive comments parts of the overwhelming majority of Emerson users who love the knives and have had no issues with them? Or, are they all wrong and the band of negative commentators all right?

I have told you before that, yes, sometimes things get through the system that may need fixing but, if Emersons were as bad as you paint them, we would never have stayed in business or enjoyed the success that we have had.

And, like I also said before, we have not advertized in years. I also ask again, why would anyone recommend a product with so many problems?

As you all know or should know, we fix or replace any problem that anyone has or has ever had with our knives.

We don’t get that many repairs. Seeing a bunch of boxes with knives coming in for repair would be a very bad thing.

Seeing a couple of dozen posts about how bad Emerson Knives are still leads me to the same conclusion.

You can call it arrogance. You can call it boasting. You can call me an egomaniac.

I stand behind my product and my reputation 100%. And I will not roll over or stand down when people start bashing it or me. And most know that I stand by my customers and always have.

I have no more need to engage in this thread as my posts are consistent and constant on this subject and I won’t be able to respond anyway since I’ll be at the Crucible for the next week.

Continue to bash away if that is your choice.


My Best Regards,

Ernest R. Emerson
 
View it as bashing, view it as bullshit, keep your attitude, that's how you make progress.

You are spoiled no doubt.
 
I bought an Emerson Mach-1 (used) several years ago.

I have had zero issues with it--AND CARRY AND USE IT A LOT!!!!!

VERY well made..

VERY!!!

Sincerely

Dr.Bill
 
All I can say is...... wow. I haven't seen a trainwreck of a thread this bad in a while.
 
I like my Emerson knives, but there is always room for improvement. Suggesting improvements is not criticism.

Many good points have been made on both sides of this issue, and plenty of things have been blown out of proporsion. Too much emotion here. I think Mr. Emerson is a little nervous over spending all that money on a new facility and taking it out on people who have been great supporters of his products is not cool. Everyone step back, have a drink and take things for what they are worth.
 
Very Nice.

Seems like folks have interest in someone willing to stand their ground.

Very refreshing in the age of the excuse and the limp wrist. No roll over here.

I do not own any of the products in question, but that may change soon.....
 
Ernest Emerson said:
Dear Members,

I just had a meeting this morning to address some of the issues brought up in the posts on this forum.
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Hmmm, the same issues which didn't exist?
The same issues we were liers or scum for "imagining"?
Interesting.
 
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