ESEE-3F Folder with Lion Steel is Canceled!

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zrfunited said:
I stand with what I said in my previous post but I am getting that strange tickle that feels like knife politics. I hope I am incorrect.
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Ultimately, it doesn't matter anyway. What's done is done and the project will move forward anyway. Before the deal with Lion Steel, there was no Lion Steel Deal. Sort of like being unfairly fired, "I was looking for a job when I found this one, anyway." Same thing.
 
oruacat2 said:
Honestly, yes it does - and please know that this isn't meant to sound accusatory in any way towards any of the parties involved.
There's a thread over on the DPx site about their split with ESEE and as you saw there are quite a few pissed-off people over there insinuating that ESEE "backed out at the last moment", so that only adds to my confusion about a thread over here insinuating that LionSteel has done the same thing to you guys. I commend you for openly addressing your customers, and I hope my openness regarding my befuddlement will be equally appreciated. lol

Obviously I don't know the details about either agreement, but my first instinct regarding both pretty much trends towards "shit happens". I don't see any dishonesty or language barrier issues at play - rather, I see instances where opinions change once the euphoria of that initial excitement dies down and people look at the DETAILS. It's all smiles and handshakes and thrills when ideas are shooting back and forth, but when it comes time to really look at the nuts-and-bolts (no pun intended) reality sets in - especially at something as over-the-top as the SHOT show in Vegas?
I really try to stay out of the politics of it all - I just like and trust the product.
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I find it interesting that Gianni brought this up in his post here. It gives me more insight on why the "miscommunication" may have happened. We had all worked to get past that and decided to work together on the ESEE-3 folder going forward. Gianni even emailed me after we pulled out of the HEST project and told me he wanted to work with us on the ESEE-3 folder proejct. We did indeed pull out of the HEST Folder project. We will not deny that at all. But we also assured Gianni (via an email I still have) that we would pay every dime owed on the P.O. if DPx did not want to pick it up. Pelton and DPx picked it up immediatley and moved forward with the project. The reason we pulled out is how the press release states: Dpx's direction and our direction are two different things. Basically, the more we "got in bed" with each other the more we realized we were not catering to the same end user. It would have been foolish for us to go forward with the first run of HEST folders under our name, only to have it change later, thus causing further confusion issues in the market. So, that's the simple version to your answer but I'm sure someone can drag it way down in the gutter if they so decide ;) So, did Gianni have a right to not deal with us based on us pulling out of the HEST project? Absolutely. I simply thougth we were all past that and assumed Gianni did too since he kept expressing a desire to work with us on the ESEE-3 folder after we all reached an amicable agreement on the Hest project.
 
I mentioned it because Gianni did - but really it's been on my mind for a few days - ever since that locked "Give this man a common sense award!" thread.
I followed that thread over to the DPx site and monitored the uproar over that ongoing cluster****, and it's there that I saw the ESEE/DPx deal mentioned a few times. Who knows, maybe Gianni read the same thread, or maybe someone pointed him towards that thread?

ps at edit: I guess my point is this - while you guys think that an "amicable" agreement was struck, it's clear from that thread that some folks don't agree. If we asked them, I'd bet they'd defend their anger/disappointment as completely valid and justifiable. I'd be a hypocrite if I gave ESEE the benefit of the doubt but then didn't give LionSteel the same - based on the little information we all have.
 
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I'm looking at this as a positive. Things happen for a reason. It's good to find out now than later you know.

And I'm even more excited about this folder being USA made! The way it should be!
 
Joe Fowler said:
Ugh, is that another Cricket Dave promoted product?
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No, that is the new and improved ESEE Signature Series Lubricant™. :D

Yikes. Now I have to scrub my brain. :barf:
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It's OK, you can use a small Coleman lantern fuel funnel and put some Drano in there or just straighten out a coat hanger and see if you can get to your mind's eye and then give it a good crank like an air-raid siren handle or a Model A Ford crank handle. :D

Thanks Don!
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No sweat, brah. :cool:
 
Don Rearic said:
Ultimately, it doesn't matter anyway. What's done is done and the project will move forward anyway. Before the deal with Lion Steel, there was no Lion Steel Deal. Sort of like being unfairly fired, "I was looking for a job when I found this one, anyway." Same thing.
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Undoubtedly this is just a glitch in the overall path to getting these folders to market. Esee has had quite a few changes over the years, and they have weathered every one. They have forged and fought for their place in the market. They have always come out ahead and they will this time as well.
 
oruacat2 said:
ps at edit: I guess my point is this - while you guys think that an "amicable" agreement was struck, it's clear from that thread that some folks don't agree. If we asked them, I'd bet they'd defend their anger/disappointment as completely valid and justifiable. I'd be a hypocrite if I gave ESEE the benefit of the doubt but then didn't give LionSteel the same - based on the little information we all have.
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Totally agree with you. No argument from me on that point whatsoever.
 
zrfunited said:
Undoubtedly this is just a glitch in the overall path to getting these folders to market. Esee has had quite a few changes over the years, and they have weathered every one. They have forged and fought for their place in the market. They have always come out ahead and they will this time as well.
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They're honest and straight forward with their customers and don't give a poo about the rest. I couldn't agree more. :thumbup:
 
Roger that, Jeff.
Again, love the product - it's the forum that sometimes leaves me chuckling. ha ha
 
First off, I do not wish bad on anybody or any knife company...down here in my part of the South people adhere to a certain culture and way of doing business...I am admittedly among them. When I can't depend on a person's word, I can't depend on them at all - the sign-this and sign-that legal crap is totally out the window where I come from - my word and how I keep it shapes my character among my friends, in the community, and the workplace.

When somebody where I come from breaks their good word doing business with honest folk, they immediately become somebody known not to do business with. I can't help it, but that is the culture here. I totally understand and agree with the way ESEE looks at this and hope this is all chalked up to miscommunication. I had to get edumickated not to speak redneck so much myself too.
 
zrfunited said:
Undoubtedly this is just a glitch in the overall path to getting these folders to market. Esee has had quite a few changes over the years, and they have weathered every one. They have forged and fought for their place in the market. They have always come out ahead and they will this time as well.
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Damned if that ain't the truth. This aint our first rodeo when it comes to storms and I'm sure it won't be our last. But that's the main difference between ESEE and most other companies. We don't mind weathering any dark cloud if it's in the best interest of our end user or customer. Most companies simply refuse to do business with us as a vendor. We're assholes, plain and simple, when it comes to quality and forcing the vendor to deliver on time and do what they say they will do. Vendors don't last with us because they don't like to be called out. We simply expect every company to do work the same way Rowen does, nothing more.
 
Wow... long thread. Obviously a communications malfunction between two honorable business types, from two different cultures.

There are always two sides to any story, and at the end of the day it's probably going to work out for the best that the Rowens or another US firm get to make these. I personally prefer it that way.

And if Gianni is reading this, sir, your English is far better than my Italian.

SP
 
Better now then in three to four months down the line when even more time, money, and anticipation were wasted on the venture.

I'm sure that wasn't an easy email to write, a phone call would have been better, and telling you at SHOT (obviously) would have been best. Hopefully this leads to more USA made knives. :thumbup:
 
Well, thats sucks that LionSteel backed out, and now we have to wait longer, but its also a good thing, because now hopefully the folder will be made in USA, like you guys originally wanted to.
 
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