ESEE Izula folder (for real this time)

Meast58 said:
I'm not here to convert you into an ESEE fan. It all comes down to personal preference. I personally love ESEE knives. An ESEE was my first "nice" knife. I feel confident in their warranty, it allows me to use them without reservations. That is part of the appeal for me. I like the fact that they have confidence in their tools. They are also less expensive then Busse and the majority of other competitive options.

I have no experience with the Stainless line of knives or Lite Machete. However, I own almost their entire line-up of carbon steel blades. They are fantastic! There is nothing "cheap" about them. You're way off base with your accusations. Thousands of customers can attest that ESEE knives are more than capable for any challenge. Unless my comprehension skills are deceiving me; ESEE, will replace the knife even if broken by means of throwing. I don't understand why you brought it up. It holds no merit. They are being professional and warning you to the fact that the knife wasn't designed for that task. I agree with what they have written. If you throw an ESEE knife you are an "idiot". A cheap set of throwing knives Will perform exponentially better.

You brought Gerber and buck into the conversation. For being so picky about ESEE's use of 1095, or "Cheap spring steel"; you make no mention of the alphabet soup used in most knives produced by Gerber and buck.

I specifically said "production" knives, when I was talking about warranties. I figured someone would bring up Busse and her sister companies. I don't know about you but I wouldn't consider Busse to be the typical "production" knife company. I still think ESEE is superior or at least equal.



P.S. Isn't brittleness caused by high Rock-Well scores? If that is so, how are they "under hardened". Please elaborate on that thought process.
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At least you admit your bias. You seem to be super into warranties. Here's a hint: don't abuse your knives. If you follow this simple step, then you won't actually need to concern yourself with warranties. I have camped for decades, using a variety of folders and fixed blades in all sorts of outdoor tasks, and have never used a knife in a manner that caused it to break nor have I ever had one break on me. So, for folks who don't know how to respect their tools, warranties might be a big thing.

For the rest of us, it's not a selling point, sorry.
 
Quiet said:
At least you admit your bias. You seem to be super into warranties. Here's a hint: don't abuse your knives. If you follow this simple step, then you won't actually need to concern yourself with warranties. I have camped for decades, using a variety of folders and fixed blades in all sorts of outdoor tasks, and have never used a knife in a manner that caused it to break nor have I ever had one break on me. So, for folks who don't know how to respect their tools, warranties might be a big thing.

For the rest of us, it's not a selling point, sorry.
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This made me grin. :D
 
Quiet said:
At least you admit your bias. You seem to be super into warranties. Here's a hint: don't abuse your knives. If you follow this simple step, then you won't actually need to concern yourself with warranties. I have camped for decades, using a variety of folders and fixed blades in all sorts of outdoor tasks, and have never used a knife in a manner that caused it to break nor have I ever had one break on me. So, for folks who don't know how to respect their tools, warranties might be a big thing.

For the rest of us, it's not a selling point, sorry.
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I know how to use my tools. I don't abuse my knives. I respect my tools. I still appreciate a good warranty. I like it when a company completely stands behind its product no matter what. That says something to me. It certainly isn't the biggest selling point but I do like to have it. So no, it isn't just folks who don't know how to respect their tools that care about warranties.

Stuff happens. Accidents happen. Have you ever dropped anything? I have. Lots of stuff. If I accidentally drop one of my Esee's and take the tip off I am covered (I don't think a drop would cause that kind of thing but you never know). Not so much with most other companies. This was my original point long ago in this thread when you brought up that other companies have a similar warranty to Esee. They don't. It isn't even close. You may not care that much about warranties. That is fine. But when we talk about them, as with any subject, it is important to get the facts correct.
 
craytab said:
I know how to use my tools. I don't abuse my knives. I respect my tools. I still appreciate a good warranty. I like it when a company completely stands behind its product no matter what. That says something to me. It certainly isn't the biggest selling point but I do like to have it. So no, it isn't just folks who don't know how to respect their tools that care about warranties.

Stuff happens. Accidents happen. Have you ever dropped anything? I have. Lots of stuff. If I accidentally drop one of my Esee's and take the tip off I am covered (I don't think a drop would cause that kind of thing but you never know). Not so much with most other companies. This was my original point long ago in this thread when you brought up that other companies have a similar warranty to Esee. They don't. It isn't even close. You may not care that much about warranties. That is fine. But when we talk about them, as with any subject, it is important to get the facts correct.
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I think the warranties the other knife companies have are just fine. This whole "not even close" is nonsense, sorry. Those other companies stand behind their products just fine. If their product in your hands is defective, they'll replace it no problem. If you broke it being stupid, they won't. Seems fair to me. So ESEE is fine replacing knives purposely abused, that's great, but it doesn't impress me as some be-all, end-all. "It's not even close!" Yes, actually it is. So, the attempted inference that ESEEs are just "better" because of their warranty is hilarious clownshoes. It's like the guys who claim the RTAK II is inferior to the Junglas, and all they can spout is ESEE's warranty as to why. What? Makes no sense. So, what people are ACTUALLY saying is "Well, the Junglas isn't actually better, but when you're a bonehead and you snap the blade trying to lever a car over a curb with it, ESEE will replace it no questions asked!"

I maintain my viewpoint: don't abuse your tools, and you won't need a warranty. I've collected knives for almost 30 years. I've never had to send a single knife back, and that's out of hundreds of knives. I'd say that's pretty good. If I buy a knife from one of the big guys and there's an issue with it, I'm confident that they'll take care of me.
 
craytab said:
I know how to use my tools. I don't abuse my knives. I respect my tools. I still appreciate a good warranty. I like it when a company completely stands behind its product no matter what. That says something to me. It certainly isn't the biggest selling point but I do like to have it. So no, it isn't just folks who don't know how to respect their tools that care about warranties.

Stuff happens. Accidents happen. Have you ever dropped anything? I have. Lots of stuff. If I accidentally drop one of my Esee's and take the tip off I am covered (I don't think a drop would cause that kind of thing but you never know). Not so much with most other companies. This was my original point long ago in this thread when you brought up that other companies have a similar warranty to Esee. They don't. It isn't even close. You may not care that much about warranties. That is fine. But when we talk about them, as with any subject, it is important to get the facts correct.
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You know, last time I snapped the tip off a knife from being an idiot I just used a file along the spine until I had a tip again. Why on earth I'd send a knife back for something so trivial I don't know.
On the other hand, if I completely broke the knife due to being an idiot, that is, as it should be, on me. Not about to punish a knife company for me being an idiot.
 
Thanks. :) Of course, the fact that nobody knows does not bode well for the folder's release. But at least I'm managing to stay on topic.
 
Quiet said:
I think the warranties the other knife companies have are just fine. This whole "not even close" is nonsense, sorry. Those other companies stand behind their products just fine. If their product in your hands is defective, they'll replace it no problem. If you broke it being stupid, they won't. Seems fair to me. So ESEE is fine replacing knives purposely abused, that's great, but it doesn't impress me as some be-all, end-all. "It's not even close!" Yes, actually it is. So, the attempted inference that ESEEs are just "better" because of their warranty is hilarious clownshoes. It's like the guys who claim the RTAK II is inferior to the Junglas, and all they can spout is ESEE's warranty as to why. What? Makes no sense. So, what people are ACTUALLY saying is "Well, the Junglas isn't actually better, but when you're a bonehead and you snap the blade trying to lever a car over a curb with it, ESEE will replace it no questions asked!"

I maintain my viewpoint: don't abuse your tools, and you won't need a warranty. I've collected knives for almost 30 years. I've never had to send a single knife back, and that's out of hundreds of knives. I'd say that's pretty good. If I buy a knife from one of the big guys and there's an issue with it, I'm confident that they'll take care of me.
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Hilarious clownshoes? Ha!

That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and certainly entitled to not care for mine.

What you can't do is claim the warranties are basically the same. They might be fine for you but they are not the same. Claiming so is factually incorrect. Further, you can't infer that people who are big in to warranties don't know how to respect their tools. That is a broad generalization. Some might not know how or they could be like me and know how to care for them just fine but like a top notch warranty. Again, accidents happen. I'm covered if one does. You may not care about but I do and I don't think it is hilarious clownshoes.

And the RTAK II is different than the Junglas in many ways. Some are subjective like the heat treat or the fit and finish. Most importantly the Junglas comes with a top of the line Kydex sheath that is well worth the price difference. Oh, and the Junglas has a better warranty ;)
 
dynamicmoves said:
You know, last time I snapped the tip off a knife from being an idiot I just used a file along the spine until I had a tip again. Why on earth I'd send a knife back for something so trivial I don't know.
On the other hand, if I completely broke the knife due to being an idiot, that is, as it should be, on me. Not about to punish a knife company for me being an idiot.
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You know what guys? Sometimes accidents happen and things break when you are not being an idiot. I know, hard to believe right? Anyway, I am done trying to defend Esee's warranty.

On topic, Yes, no release date is not a good sign but it is at least a consistent sign.
 
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Is it still full titanium and all stonewashed like in the picture?

3" blade of 440C?

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Quiet said:
At least you admit your bias. You seem to be super into warranties. Here's a hint: don't abuse your knives. If you follow this simple step, then you won't actually need to concern yourself with warranties. I have camped for decades, using a variety of folders and fixed blades in all sorts of outdoor tasks, and have never used a knife in a manner that caused it to break nor have I ever had one break on me. So, for folks who don't know how to respect their tools, warranties might be a big thing.

For the rest of us, it's not a selling point, sorry.
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I think you are failing to see my point. I'm not overly concerned about warranties. However, when I first got into knives; it was a selling point for me. I spent hours researching knives and their warranties. My tastes have evolved and my knifemanship skills have increased. I no longer need to rely on the warranty. I still like knowing that it's there; just in case something were to go wrong. I don't understand why that is an issue with you guys.

I possess no bias towards ESEE. I am an avid knife user and collector. ESEE isn't my only knife provider. I have experience with many manufacturers. I don't feel that makes me biased. I feel I am well rounded in the knife world. I spend hours here reading about knives and even more time using them.

I've broken only two knives. Out of all the knives I've used I don't think that is very bad. Both of those knives were "cheap" and were broken before I really learned about proper knifemanship. I take the utmost care with my blades. I've never "abused" any of them.
Thanks for the hint. In all of my years being around knives, I've never heard that. If only I could have spoken to you sooner.

I made the warranty post to show comparison between major companies; not to express my love of reading the returns and services page on the manufacturer's website.


-Meast58
 
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RamZar said:
Is it still full titanium and all stonewashed like in the picture?

3" blade of 440C?

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That's the last picture I've seen of it. But I'm not sure if 440C is the alloy they'll use . . . assuming they ever produce it, of course.
 
Craytab, you know you're my boy, come on now. :p

I will concede that the ESEE warranty is objectively better. But for me, it's really all the same, is the point that I was (poorly) making. I don't abuse my knives, so any issue I had, would almost certainly be a defect in the product, that's all. Meaning, the warranty departments at any of the big guys would take care of me. At the end of the day, I DO like ESEE products, but at the same time, I love Swamprat, Busse, Becker, and so on also. Like, I could not hold an ESEE 5 in one hand, and say, a Becker BK-10 in the other, and objectively tell myself that one knife can do vastly more work than the other. They're both good, sturdy knives.

Also, do keep in mind that I own multiple ESEE products and enjoy them. I don't know use "warranty" as a reason to buy one over other offerings I might also be interested in.

ALSO also, knock on wood, you watch, all my knives will start breaking on me, and the warranty guys will tell me to take a hike. LOL
 
Yup, I remember seeing all those photos last year. I know this might be great for some people but not for me. I find the handle sort of ho hum. 3" blade just is not long enough for me. It looks chunky so I would worry about the weight/thickness for the size of blade you get. And if it is 440c then the price would need to be very good to reflect that fact. I liked the original pics better. They looked more like an Izula. I don't mind putting the Izula I have now in my pocket or on my belt. If all of what I mention above are true, I won't be getting this.

And once again, it would actually need to be made for me to consider it.
 
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