Fourboysplus is a horrible seller, sent bad knife and will not take it back

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Here are the simple facts:
Upset buyer who feels a knife was misrepresented.
Buyer who disassembled/tinkered with a custom with no appreciable expertise
Seller being held responsible for fixing alignment/flip issues post tinkering.

This seems so simple. Tinkering with a custom is an automatic "you own it". Granted there could be some initial gripe over flipping action and alignment, but there is no way you can pin any current problems on the seller. This guy admitted he had no business taking this knife apart. Now there are issues. Sounds like a very expensive lesson to learn.

How is the seller responsible for this buyer taking the knife apart and screwing with it?? I have read a lot of speculation and harping targeted on discrediting the seller. Here is my question, why should anything but the facts matter?? If you ask me straight, yes the buyer seems shady. Yes, he has some skeletons in his closet. No, I don't know if the knife was perfect in alignment/flipping on delivery. But I do know that the issue centers around a Shigorov, known for perfect fit and flipping, that is now all screwed up after the buyer took it apart. This is outside the standard "the deal is done when the buyer is happy" motto. The buyer has appreciably modified and devalued the merchandise, this is defacto ownership/liability
 
willythekid said:
Am I the only one who is curious as to the seller's original forum name? I don't care if your present name has 100% positive reviews... it's not a true representation of your selling history. I thought once you were banned it was for good. Not in this case? Or can the mods pick and choose who can come back?
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/243588-chad-m

also of interest:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...s-with-all-the-Flakes-lately?highlight=flakes
 
Wow, i just read 5 pages and no ending yet. I'm at a loss for words. I'm confident our mods will handle this properly. Thanks for the work you guys do. You all are a lot more patient then I.

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The seller is responsible for making sure the package arrives safe and sound to its intended destination. You are on the hook until the person receives the item, that is when the responsibility ends for only the "shipping" aspect. If anyone doubts this, check with Paypal and their requirements and they will confirm.
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You are again correct, however Knives are sold daily on this forum where the buyer is being told differently ..a lot of sellers will say they are only responsible to the point of shipping. Here again, as in the case of added fees and charges sellers should not be allowed to sell here beyond the rules of paypal or even the USPS. The term "good Common Sense" does not exist in exchange forums. Paypal policy, including not adding extra % or fees is very clear and protective. Their are also ads that charge fees for packing and higher than actual shipping cost. Most single knives can be shipped in a small flat rate box for $5.90, I see ads charging upwards of $10. In the past every time these overcharges came up,it was noted that members policed these forums. Hopefully with the above input, everyone will start following paypal rules.
 
When Selling I ask- Please let me know when the knife arrives safely and meets your expectations.

As a Buyer I inspect the knife immediately and let the Seller know if it is acceptable.

Then I spend the money or tinker with the knife.

Both guys go to my ignore list- it's a hobby and isn't worth the hassle.
 
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Here are the simple facts:
Upset buyer who feels a knife was misrepresented.
Buyer who disassembled/tinkered with a custom with no appreciable expertise
Seller being held responsible for fixing alignment/flip issues post tinkering.

This seems so simple. Tinkering with a custom is an automatic "you own it". Granted there could be some initial gripe over flipping action and alignment, but there is no way you can pin any current problems on the seller. This guy admitted he had no business taking this knife apart. Now there are issues. Sounds like a very expensive lesson to learn.

How is the seller responsible for this buyer taking the knife apart and screwing with it?? I have read a lot of speculation and harping targeted on discrediting the seller. Here is my question, why should anything but the facts matter?? If you ask me straight, yes the buyer seems shady. Yes, he has some skeletons in his closet. No, I don't know if the knife was perfect in alignment/flipping on delivery. But I do know that the issue centers around a Shigorov, known for perfect fit and flipping, that is now all screwed up after the buyer took it apart. This is outside the standard "the deal is done when the buyer is happy" motto. The buyer has appreciably modified and devalued the merchandise, this is defacto ownership/liability
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assume he means the seller (not buyer) seems shady .... which is only a feeling ...one that I get too by the way
I do agree with the above post however - once you take it apart - it's your knife
 
I'm not sure the mods knew he was previously banned after reading post #53. Although it would be nice to get an answer from one of them regarding the issue.
 
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I'm not sure the mods knew he was previously banned after reading post #53. Although it would be nice to get an answer from one of them regarding the issue.
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They knew.

His old ID (Chad M) was only banned a month ago when it was revealed in that other thread that he had started this new account to get away from the bad feedback on his old account...
 
A lot of people making assumptions.

As far as I know his Chad M account was banned not for any kind of dishonorable thing although he did have a few problems which seem to have been straightened out. It was banned because having duplicate accounts here is not allowed.
 
Thank you sir!!!!!!

rycen said:
a lot of people making assumptions.

As far as i know his chad m account was banned not for any kind of dishonorable thing although he did have a few problems which seem to have been straightened out. It was banned because having duplicate accounts here is not allowed.
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Again thank you @rycen.

It's interesting how people make assumptions and accusations from those assumptions.
 
There are two separate issues here:

1. The knife itself - Sorry buyer, but taking apart a "defective" knife is an instant no-go. Especially a $700 one. I have to side with the seller on this and everything else is extraneous at this point.

2. If someone is banned for multiple accounts and not bad behavior, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad if they come back under a single account and use that from that point forward. If it's a pattern where they habitually use multiple accounts, that's another matter. Stuff like that needs to be taken elsewhere though.
 
Tim20637 said:
I'm not sure the mods knew he was previously banned after reading post #53. Although it would be nice to get an answer from one of them regarding the issue.
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As mods, Spark has entrusted us with this area. We have some leeway in how we do things, as well as discussions not viewable by the public community on how we are to handle these things. We do know who and why the other account was banned, as such if we wanted it to be made public everyone would already know why. We do not put all our cards out on the table.
 
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