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Gastonknife
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Gosh you continue to punch at the wind and make stuff up. The customs law refers to weapons and ammunition > that means guns - not a knife, axe, saw etc.
How old are you?
The only thing you have proven is that you failed to ship the knife as specifically agreed (for good reason might I add), that you did not insure it, and that you took money from Savic for those things and pocketed it. He doesn't have the knife he paid you for and it all comes back to your error. Now you get mad because things didn't go your way and you continue to not man up and deflect. This is all your fault why can't you see that?
You are acting jsut like your avatar. :yawn:
If paypal decided it to your favor - why now your account is limited???
Is it not because you should pay money to Paypal for refund to me for all cases, which were to my favor?
What letter you mean? I can't understand.
I told it to you maybe 10 times - Paypal refund me two parts from my money - $660 totally. For $400 it was for my favor too, but your account empty. And we can see it from your post - that's why your account limited now. I sent all my account information to Bryan J, and he confirmed my words.
About custom I told you too - they don't accept the demand for search of packets without custom or tracking number. If it would be Express mail with normal tracking info or at least Priority mail with custom number - it would be possible. For fully untraceable First class custom workers can't help me, without information they can't find anything - I told you about it many times.
Facts?
The first fact - packet lost.
The second fact - seller hasn't made shipment type for which he received additional payment, and for this type of shipment I asked him at least three times before shipment.
The third fact - the account of the seller empty and also is limited, he prevents to refund me the lawful compensation, appointed to me by third side (Paypal)
I have given only facts. You have given the speculations, that heart of problem - filling of the customs declaration?
It after all not the fact, it's only YOUR speculation? Or it's fact that you know it?
I know that argumentativeness, sarcasm and insults arent helping either of your cases. Posted by you, Gosh or anyone else.
It is a fact that subverting the customs declaration can get your package held. Yes, i did speculate somewhat in pointing out the obvious.
It is a fact that subverting the customs declaration can get your package held. Yes, i did speculate somewhat in pointing out the obvious.
Karda, You are right I apologize.
I also have provided Mr Bryan with current information. dated today. Let's see who's information ends up valid. Why don't you post some current Paypal information Savic? If bryan would like to see my paypal history for the last year i'd be glad to send it to him.
Gastonknife> How old am I, am old enough to realize that knives are weapons. Are you claiming knives are not weapons? Please feel free to do a search on any knives going to Ukraine. Rules even apply to folders.
I also have provided Mr Bryan with current information. dated today. Let's see who's information ends up valid. Why don't you post some current Paypal information Savic? If bryan would like to see my paypal history for the last year i'd be glad to send it to him.
Gastonknife> How old am I, am old enough to realize that knives are weapons. Are you claiming knives are not weapons? Please feel free to do a search on any knives going to Ukraine. Rules even apply to folders.
That's my whole problem with this, to my eye, both parties are at fault. One for all this customs tomfoolery, and one for the shipping mishap and agreeing to the customs stuff.
I'd maybe split it down the middle if that was agreeable to both parties.
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Speculation on your part does not help either - please stick with facts > the ones WE KNOW have effected the situation.
Hence gosh is the culprit here.
Customs value declaration is not a known issue here - and even assuming it was > it's a wash as they both agreed to do it. If gosh had shipped it the right way with tracking as agreed and paid - customs could clear it up as there would be tracking. It is this diversion that some like to do, this wild speculation of might, could, etc. that clouds the water. get back to the facts.
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I have read entire thread, and have yet to see exactly what Goshs' case is. All he is doing is bobing and weaving trying to avoid the fact he owes the man either a knife or the money. Seems pretty simple to me, or am I missing something?
Both buyer and seller are equally responsible to know the legal ramifications of any transaction whether it be a Knife, Firearm, ect. I see that as a wash.
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gosh respectfully, once again you are trying anyway to justify something in your own mind to aviod culpability. The customs regualtions you refer to apply to firearms and ammunition
please stop trying to divert responsibility and pay the man - you just keep digging your own hole and no one here is going to want to deal with you
And how IN FACT that post can help us to resolve this problem? It can return us back to speculations and philosophy instead of facts, isn't it?
Or here we should simply write cleverer things, which can give us nothing?
I think both gosh and SaviC should be commended for being open and honest enough to provide copies of their PayPal transaction histories, as well as some other documents that help illuminate what is going on here. Having seen both transaction records, I can say that neither person has misrepresented himself whatsoever. I don't believe either is lying about anything. Every claim that has been made by each side is supported by their PayPal record. SaviC was in fact reimbursed $660 of the $1060, and this money came directly from gosh's account. However, PayPal subsequently did credit this $660 back to gosh, though it did not come out of SaviC's account. Thus, as it stands, gosh has the full $1060 he was supposed to receive for the sale of the knife, while SaviC is left with a $400 loss. SaviC is also correct that PayPal has placed some kind of limitation on gosh's account that I believe to be directly related to this case. It's possible they are waiting for additional information (such as delivery confirmation) from gosh. However, I haven't read everything (and indeed I've asked for additional information from both to help fill in gaps), and admit that a complete understanding of PayPal's position eludes me.
I should emphasize that I'm not trying to adjudicate this matter. My role is merely to discern what is going on, to distinguish fact from fiction based on the PayPal record. As stated, I'm happy to report that both sides have been truthful with regard to this. The real puzzle is: why did PayPal credit SaviC back $660 from gosh's account, but then reimburse gosh for this money? It's very odd that PayPal would pay out $660 of their own money. My suspicion is that this amount will eventually be deducted from one of the disputant's accounts. It's possible the $660 in gosh's account is frozen until he replies to PayPal's inquiries and that the 'limitation' simply refers to these frozen funds.
One thing I will say--and this is of course my personal opinion: having conversed with both members a few times, I don't believe either of them are out to screw the other or scam anybody. They both seem to be honest people and I probably wouldn't hesitate to trade or buy from either of them. I can see things from both their perspectives and understand why each is upset. It's a bad luck situation and unfortunately somebody is going to be left holding the bag unless this knife surfaces.
I should emphasize that I'm not trying to adjudicate this matter. My role is merely to discern what is going on, to distinguish fact from fiction based on the PayPal record. As stated, I'm happy to report that both sides have been truthful with regard to this. The real puzzle is: why did PayPal credit SaviC back $660 from gosh's account, but then reimburse gosh for this money? It's very odd that PayPal would pay out $660 of their own money. My suspicion is that this amount will eventually be deducted from one of the disputant's accounts. It's possible the $660 in gosh's account is frozen until he replies to PayPal's inquiries and that the 'limitation' simply refers to these frozen funds.
One thing I will say--and this is of course my personal opinion: having conversed with both members a few times, I don't believe either of them are out to screw the other or scam anybody. They both seem to be honest people and I probably wouldn't hesitate to trade or buy from either of them. I can see things from both their perspectives and understand why each is upset. It's a bad luck situation and unfortunately somebody is going to be left holding the bag unless this knife surfaces.
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I thought that international shipping required some sort of insurance ? Oh ya he only said it was worth $100 ...Huh ,,, I still say unless Gosh has proof that Savik went to the Customs and they dont have the knife . He should not refund anything ....
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Cool - we finally have a statement of more FACTS - I think you are dead on with your summary of what has happened with paypal to date and what will likely happen - thanks Bryan
this kind of bring us back to the root issue which is the shipping debacle and the fact that Savic as a result still does not have the knife is short $400 and can't track anything
this kind of bring us back to the root issue which is the shipping debacle and the fact that Savic as a result still does not have the knife is short $400 and can't track anything
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they are not the same issues - insurance is purchased from the carrier and Savic gave gosh the money to insure it for full value; customs declared value is for government taxing use only Besides its not Savic's job to fix goshs error and it's not realistic to think he can get info from customs with no tracking info and a substandard shipping service
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