Great lakes waterjet is a no pay for my services from back in 2009.

[91a2jettavr6]

Richard and everyone else waiting on me, I am out of the shop till Thursday morning. I did talk to Spark about the thread this morning. I have paperwork at the shop to show what I have paid to Richard. I have looked into it as much as I can being away, but promise as soon as I return I will make things right with Richard as soon as possible. If I made a mistake, I own it. For all of you that want to name call and talk a big game, you are not helping anything. I sent Richard an email to have him call me and he refused to talk. Thats fine. I wasn't very nice the last time we spoke and I apologize for that Richard. I should not have spoke to you in that tone. For the people that know me, they will tell you that I am a stand up person. If I made a mistake, I will correct it. If I screw up, I do my best to fix it. We all have bad times and make mistakes. It comes down to this. Richard, if I owe you money, rest assured I will pay you and then some. I will be back to post again Thursday evening to settle this matter once and for all. If anyone else has a problem with me or wishes to talk to me, my cell number is 574-651-2158. Thanks, David.

Nice response, David (who, by the way, is a stranger to me). I was honestly going to post this before reading it: "Here's an idea...let's each donate a small sum of money (since almost all of us drop considerable sums on things that cut paper, etc) and make sure Richard gets paid. I would honestly consider just giving him all of the money myself, however, what a community this would be if we all just chipped in instead of rambling on about how unfair it is.". Then...I read David's response. It all reminds me of the cold, hard fact that even if a person does 100 good or great things, it's the 1 (or 2) not-so-great thing (s) which will leave their name being dragged through the mud. I have noticed a theme in discussion forums on several sites. People seem to love to break others down and insult them if given an opportunity. I hope David will do the right thing. As a stranger to him, I have no way of knowing. I just know that it gets damn old reading comment after comment about how much David sucks and what a shame it is that Richard (who is also a complete stranger to me) hasn't gotten his money. I'm in for $50.00. Let's call it "The Richard fund". Anyone care to join me or would you rather keep saying the same things or tell me about how it is ultimately David's responsibility? If David does pay after we have come together and reimbursed Richard, I will personally take the time to pay out an amount to each contributor which is equal to what they ponied up.

 

[greatlakeswaterjet]

While that is a kind offer to Richard and I'm sure it is appreciated by him, this is my responsibility to take care of. Richard, I also need to know how much you say is owed to you and how you would like to get paid this time.

 

[91a2jettavr6]

While that is a kind offer to Richard and I'm sure it is appreciated by him, this is my responsibility to take care of. Richard, I also need to know how much you say is owed to you and how you would like to get paid this time.

I realize that...I just get SOOO sick of the "hog pile effect" that runs rampant in today's society. It's disgusting.

EDIT: This is TOTALLY off-topic, I realize, but I'm actually watching a program right now about a woman whose husband died of dementia-related complications so she decided to start a care program that sufferers and their husbands and wives could attend. The show is about an antiques dealer who is willing to donate some of his profits to help her fund her program. She needs a measly $2000.00 per year to do a lot of good things. With all the wealthy, selfish people out there who could just write her a check but don't, I am tempted to contact her and help her fund her program for a year. This is what ultimately caused me to present the "Richard Fund" idea. So many better things could/would happen if people formed a cooperative to solve problems instead of just complaining that the problems exist, then dragging names through the mud (often without all the information) and doing nothing constructive.

 

[CWL]

While that is a kind offer to Richard and I'm sure it is appreciated by him, this is my responsibility to take care of. Richard, I also need to know how much you say is owed to you and how you would like to get paid this time.

Show some class and just pay the man for services already rendered and stop with this "you say is owed" crap. I thought you said that you "owned" this responsibility.

And if you somehow don't know what you owe, Richard already said in post #1 that you still him $230. Go and re-read the first paragraph.

Seriously, if you want this matter to go away, send him the $230 and stop playing with words. It just makes you look even sleazier.

 

[91a2jettavr6]

Show some class and just pay the man for services already rendered and stop with this "you say is owed" crap. I thought you said that you "owned" this responsibility.

And if you somehow don't know what you owe, Richard already said in post #1 that you still him $230. Go and re-read the first paragraph.

Seriously, if you want this matter to go away, send him the $230 and stop playing with words. It just makes you look even sleazier.

Obviously, my words were lost on him.

 

[DJG097]

Show some class and just pay the man for services already rendered and stop with this "you say is owed" crap. I thought you said that you "owned" this responsibility.

And if you somehow don't know what you owe, Richard already said in post #1 that you still him $230. Go and re-read the first paragraph.

Seriously, if you want this matter to go away, send him the $230 and stop playing with words. It just makes you look even sleazier.

:thumbup: You took the words right out of my mouth...

 

[jwblack911]

Nice response, David (who, by the way, is a stranger to me). I was honestly going to post this before reading it: "Here's an idea...let's each donate a small sum of money (since almost all of us drop considerable sums on things that cut paper, etc) and make sure Richard gets paid. I would honestly consider just giving him all of the money myself, however, what a community this would be if we all just chipped in instead of rambling on about how unfair it is.". Then...I read David's response. It all reminds me of the cold, hard fact that even if a person does 100 good or great things, it's the 1 (or 2) not-so-great thing (s) which will leave their name being dragged through the mud. I have noticed a theme in discussion forums on several sites. People seem to love to break others down and insult them if given an opportunity. I hope David will do the right thing. As a stranger to him, I have no way of knowing. I just know that it gets damn old reading comment after comment about how much David sucks and what a shame it is that Richard (who is also a complete stranger to me) hasn't gotten his money. I'm in for $50.00. Let's call it "The Richard fund". Anyone care to join me or would you rather keep saying the same things or tell me about how it is ultimately David's responsibility? If David does pay after we have come together and reimbursed Richard, I will personally take the time to pay out an amount to each contributor which is equal to what they ponied up.

im in. if richard j can email me his paypay or his address i will send my donation. and its about time to simply boycott curtis products. thats my simple way to solve these immature problems. no bandaids can undo this kind of reputation damage.

 

[Karda]

It is a kind offer (one which another party has offered in full), but richardj would rather not be paid than to be paid by others.
It's is not our responsibility as a community to absolve those the do not deserve it of their responsibility.

 

[Haze]

Show some class and just pay the man for services already rendered and stop with this "you say is owed" crap. I thought you said that you "owned" this responsibility.

And if you somehow don't know what you owe, Richard already said in post #1 that you still him $230. Go and re-read the first paragraph.

Seriously, if you want this matter to go away, send him the $230 and stop playing with words. It just makes you look even sleazier.

Obviously, my words were lost on him.

As they were on me. Let the man take responsibility for his own doings with out the apologist nonsense. He dug his own hole by bumping Rich for 4 years. It seems after this thread he's now Mr. Amicable and willing to pay though......

 

[sheathmaker]

Obviously, my words were lost on him.

91a2jettavr6:

Lost on me, as well. This is not about a "hog pile", although when each individual feels pretty much the same way and expresses it, it resembles a dog pile......, but it is a much deserved dog pile apparently. This is about expressing disgust for David's actions (or lack of) so far, and each forum member has a right to do it in his own way.

Your solution reminds me of some of the government's solutions through entitlements. Richardj is not the type to want or accept funds in payment from other than the man who actually owes him. I share his view.

Paul

 

[Striderco]

I have had the honor of doing business with Richard for years now and he has become what I consider a great friend! I know for a fact that Richard would not go through the trouble of posting this if it weren't true and accurate on his part! Richard is the kind of guy that would give you the shirt off his back! He is a true master at his craft and can sharpen steel to the point that it can split a human hair down the middle! Yes, thats right! I ve seen it! I ve sent Richard knives worth a couple grand at a time to sharpen and I completely trust him and he always comes through like clockwork! Richard is about as honest as they come. Now Dave Curtiss, another story. I spoke with Dave regarding this matter and he told me that Richard was nothing but a lying P.O.S. and he was gonna sick his lawyers on him! Now we re talking about $230 folks, not like a couple grand or something. Why would Dave Curtiss spend money on an attorney over a debt of $230? I dont think he ever did. Just another lie. Trying to scare Richard and make this all go away perhaps. Well it finally looks as if Richard got what is rightfully owed to him.

 

[Mack]

While that is a kind offer to Richard and I'm sure it is appreciated by him, this is my responsibility to take care of. Richard, I also need to know how much you say is owed to you and how you would like to get paid this time.

I for one am glad to see you here. I hope this can be taken care of properly.

 

[Huntsman Knife Co. LLC.]

Richard is a true stand up guy and a great asset to this community. Anyone who knows him will tell you that he consistently goes out of his way to help others. I hope this gets resolved quickly.

 

[91a2jettavr6]

91a2jettavr6:

Lost on me, as well. This is not about a "hog pile", although when each individual feels pretty much the same way and expresses it, it resembles a dog pile......, but it is a much deserved dog pile apparently. This is about expressing disgust for David's actions (or lack of) so far, and each forum member has a right to do it in his own way.

Your solution reminds me of some of the government's solutions through entitlements. Richardj is not the type to want or accept funds in payment from other than the man who actually owes him. I share his view.

Paul

My solution SHOULD, IMHO, remind you (well, actually, not "remind" because our society hasn't been like this for a long damn time) of how small, positive contributions by several individuals can benefit a single person's life more than name calling and insulting ever will. People assume he (David) won't do the "right thing" mostly because it has become human nature to wait for a good person, with AT LEAST a mostly good track record, to fail once so they can pounce and eliminate whatever good there ever was.

 

[Haze]

Total rubbish, you should understand that if you wipe someones bottom for them they are far less inclind to do it for them selvs. Why should any one ever pay for another mans mistakes or debts ? This needs fixed by one person and one person only, it seems to me you may be a friend of that person too, yes ?

My solution SHOULD, IMHO, remind you (well, actually, not "remind" because our society hasn't been like this for a long damn time) of how small, positive contributions by several individuals can benefit a single person's life more than name calling and insulting ever will. People assume he (David) won't do the "right thing" mostly because it has become human nature to wait for a good person, with AT LEAST a mostly good track record, to fail once so they can pounce and eliminate whatever good there ever was.

 

[Clem Kadiddlehopper]

My solution SHOULD, IMHO, remind you (well, actually, not "remind" because our society hasn't been like this for a long damn time) of how small, positive contributions by several individuals can benefit a single person's life more than name calling and insulting ever will. People assume he (David) won't do the "right thing" mostly because it has become human nature to wait for a good person, with AT LEAST a mostly good track record, to fail once so they can pounce and eliminate whatever good there ever was.

What?????

He has not done it yet? Talk is cheap.
And he is ONLY saying he's going to do it? AFTER being forced to do it by Richard posting this thread.
A man that stands by his word, would not have had to be forced into something like this.
Would you not agree?

 

[91a2jettavr6]

Total rubbish, you should understand that if you wipe someones bottom for them they are far less inclind to do it for them selvs. Why should any one ever pay for another mans mistakes or debts ? This needs fixed by one person and one person only, it seems to me you may be a friend of that person too, yes ?

Why should they? Easy question to answer. They should, if it comes down to it, because doing so benefits the person in need whereas doing nothing but complaining benefits no one other than the person who gets off by complaining. If person X is screwed over by person Y, and if person Y does nothing to make up for it, then I ask you which is better...the observers of the situation not actually helping but, instead, hurling insults OR the observers contributing to the person who was f'ed? Why do you think I would offer to chip in MY MONEY to help a complete stranger? I would do it because it is a helpful thing to do. It may not teach person Y a lesson but it will still help person X and that is a very good thing.

 

[91a2jettavr6]

What?????

He has not done it yet? Talk is cheap.
And he is ONLY saying he's going to do it? AFTER being forced to do it by Richard posting this thread.
A man that stands by his word, would not have had to be forced into something like this.
Would you not agree?

Whether or not he makes it right has virtually nothing to do with what I am saying. I am saying that the people who are doing nothing more than engaging in written vomit should, instead, be willing to help if that's what it takes to turn a negative situation into something which is less-so.

Whether or not he makes it right does not alter the fact that, if we are decent and if we are capable and if someone is in need, we should just man up and help out. I'm not saying he actually is "in need", by the way. I am merely saying that IF he is, a helpful contribution would be a wonderful and incredibly rare gesture.

Please try to understand what I am writing. I am very literal and feel I am writing my thoughts out clearly. It doesn't seem that complicated to me but, based on what I have read in response, I now feel like I've been writing in hieroglyphics.

 

[Sullie]

My solution SHOULD, IMHO, remind you (well, actually, not "remind" because our society hasn't been like this for a long damn time) of how small, positive contributions by several individuals can benefit a single person's life more than name calling and insulting ever will. People assume he (David) won't do the "right thing" mostly because it has become human nature to wait for a good person, with AT LEAST a mostly good track record, to fail once so they can pounce and eliminate whatever good there ever was.

Your solution is a great one to help someone in need. But it Is not the solution in this one. There is a problem between two men who will hopefully resolve it between them, as they should. Unfortunately it has come to this and yes, I agree people shouldn't be too quick to rip someone apart, especially if they don't know the person. But they are friends, would you not stand you for your own friend an not want the mistakes corrected? Or imagine it was you, would you rather have the money, or to know that you are supported and people are gonna do what they can to help make this right. If there is no chance of reconciliation then we can talk about chipping in and making it right. But in the mean time by standing up for each other and letting it be known that poor business will not be tolerated people are giving "more" than the money owed.

I do not know either partner, I just hope everything is resolved. I only follow these threads to learn who with, how and what to watch for with doing business with anyone on the forum.

 

[91a2jettavr6]

It just occurred to me that I can't do a better job of trying to explain my sentiment. As such, I will just quietly exit this thread and leave the drama to those who care to stay and engage in it further. See ya' guys!