HI Scramsax/Seax/Saex Design Thread

Yep. this is a personal account, before i had a corp acct and didn't wanna share the corp adddy.

Additional info for those of you considering a runic inscription. This has to do with ownership marks on seaxes and stuff.

The most common ownership marks were the posessor's name, either first name or family name. The first name, for me "Keith," was the most common ownership inscription, followed by the word "Meah" suggesting ownership. "Keith Meah"means "Keith owns me." This
phrasing suggested that the item itself was speaking it's owner's name. This would suggest that the item had a spirit of sorts, imparted to it by its makers, and its owner.

The naming of folks in the north of europe (Scandinavias, Russia) Was first name, and then father's or mother's name with the suffix -son for boys, -dottir for girls. So me, Keith, with a father named Donald, would be Keith Donaldsson. Erik the Red's son, Leif, was called Leif Eriksson.

Additionally, other folks earned titles to replace their last name, Like Harold "Bluetooth" (he had pneumonia as a kid, and thus his teeth were discolored) or Harald "Hadratta" ( Harald 'Hairy-Breeches'), so that the distinct nickname effectively became their last name. Leif Eriksson had the nickname Leif "the Lucky" (for his travels to the new world.) Erik the Red's last name is a nickname to denote his bright red beard and hair, his actual last name being lost to the mists of time.

As families became powerful, their family name of their primary historical descendant might take precendent over their other names, Like the Yinglings, who traced their lineage to Ingvvi-Freyr, a god-king. The famous dragon slayer Sigfried was of a family of royal heroes, the Volsungs. This use of family names in kinda like the clan names in Scotland. Or some american clans, like the "Hatfields" and the "McCoys."

Now in the more central places in Europe, the Frankish empire, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, England, Ireland, It might be common for you have alast name that befits your trade or location of origin. You might be Bob(the)Hunter or Bob Smith, or Bob of the woods or Robert of Mercia.

Anyhow, thats pretty much it on owner's names on seaxes and other objects of the period.


Keith
 
Didn't mean to imply that the pix was of a "real" seax--but I was struck by the similarity of blade shape. Also the fullers were seemed interesting, but fabrication from a broken sword expains those.

Can't really comment on the "painted firkin" listed--nothing to do with me, if it's properly ID'd it's a container that holds about a quarter barrel. Most modern usage of the term that I'm familiar with refers to casks of that size employed to cask-condition ale, which is hard to find, and very tasty when well-crafted and well-kept.

I'm much more interested in the contents than the container.
 
Originally posted by firkin
...I'm much more interested in the contents than the container.
That's how we all feel about you, bro... :D
 
Stupid administrative detail.

For those of us not doing the runic thing, do we make payment directly to Bill? Or, is Ferrous still serving as the conduit?

S.
 
Will pay to Bill. Only the ones that get etched are coming my way.

Considering Uncle's current condition, the timeline on production may shift...

Keith
 
Sounds like things are progressing. :cool:

Somebody keep me appraised by email in case I drop off the forum for a while, which is a distinct possibility with all the stuff I have going on right now. :(

Pen---,

As for the runes on mine, just put some Nordic god's name on it.
 
Should I be expecting a check from you? I'm doing the etching of the runes...Just wondering if you were still in...

Keith
 
Hi, All-- Here is the takers list:

Takers" - money in hand

1. pendentive + runes
2. Ferrous + runes
3. Sarge + runes
4. sweet + runes
5. raghorn + runes
6. beoram + runes
7. Robert of Yorkshire + A.S. runes
8. Pax-V
9. ruel + runes
10. spence

There are 8 takers for seax plus runes, AND I have heard from ALL of you.

Just heard from Ruel, who's working with me to flesh out the details.

I am willing to help with runic inscriptions if you know you want runes, but don't know what you want them to say.

ksauers@indy.rr.com

Thanks!

Keith
 
Hey - have we got photos of the wooden model??!

I know some other people who might be interested, but I think a more 3D representation of what it'll look like would be helpful.

cheers,
B.
 
Beo's got a point. Also, I think Pen mentioned something aboot some special sheath fer them too. Horizintal belt carry, I hope? I'd love to see a pic, even if it it just a design sketch, of the sheath. And the wood model too.

Perhaps Uncle Bill could get our resident wood modellers to make some wooden practice khukuris for sale...

I now have everyone's ZIP and rune stuff just about ready, and I'll hit the post office with the ZIPs and see how much a 2-3 lb package, FedEx (overnite?) insured for 100 bux will run.

I'll email the details.

Keith
 
Overnite may be a bit spendy for some folks, you may want to check several options and compare.
 
Ferrous, FWIW I took the sheath design straight off of regia.org so it is in fact a horizontal carry if both loops are being used.

What I discovered on my own is that the loops also rotate which allows for two different heights of vertical carry as well. The "higher" loop gives a sort of thigh-level carry like a puukko, while the "lower" loop gives a more conventional belt-level carry.

Pendentive has received the knife now so hopefully we might see some pics of it fairly soon.

Unfortunately I messed up the handle on it.:o

-Dave
 
I just knew you guys were going all out! The seax, with runes, plus sheath! We'll all be fit for a shotgun weddin' and a Sutton Hoo Burial!

Keith

P.S. uh, Yee haw.
 
Messed up on the handle a bit? Nah, Lets just call it your interpretation of the handle. Is it a different taper or length? Just curious.

Keith
 
The first issue with the handle was the taper and the overall size. The different taper the handle wound up having was partially a result of my own attempt to address Dan and Sarge's instructions re: swelling the handle toward the front to prevent the hand from sliding up onto the edge. The handle wound up being one half Dan's drawing, one half trying to attempt to address the aforementioned grip retention instructions, and one half my own interpretation of what this combination should look like without getting too chunky up front.

I realize that is too many halves.

The second and most damning issue with the handle was that it falls back from the blade at a slight angle. As far as I can tell this was just a result of me being stupid.

I think the blade part turned out OK though, and at least the sheath should be a source of some minor amusement.

-Dave
 
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