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spydercobenchmadekai said:
Because there will never be another one like it. It is one of a kind. You don't make prototypes of custom knives. Because each true cutom IS a prototype, as there are never more than one.

(And it's a Kressler, BTW.)

I would not consider the Loveless integral drop-point a custom. I would consider it a very high quality mid-tech, as there have been many identical knives made.
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Your Kressler is a Loveless pattern. There have been literally thousands of identical ones made.
 
spydercobenchmadekai said:
True. It is, in fact, closer to a mid-tech. This custom from Big Chris was made to my specs, and will never be duplicated, thus making it a true custom:

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That's kind of the problem with your definition. It disqualifies makers like Ray Laconico and Dietmar Kressler from being considered 'custom knife makers' which is patently absurd. Language evolves and you're betraying a commitment to a prescriptive view of language, which is never particularly useful. Language is always descriptive and the rules guiding it shift to acommodate new meanings. Don't be a prescriptivist, it's unseemly.
 
Whatever. This is about a knife, not a bunch of people arguing about definitions. The maker of the knife said it was full-production; let's get back on topic.

Soo...does the ReaTe have an in-house heat treat, or is it sent out?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
That's kind of the problem with your definition. It disqualifies makers like Ray Laconico and Dietmar Kressler from being considered 'custom knife makers' which is patently absurd. Language evolves and you're betraying a commitment to a prescriptive view of language, which is never particularly useful. Language is always descriptive and the rules guiding it shift to acommodate new meanings. Don't be a prescriptivist, it's unseemly.
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But, "custom", the literal definition, is already a very useful descriptor in the knife world -- as in, something made to the customers specs. Why is it so important to broaden and generalize the definition of that word? Making the word less specific is not useful - especially when there are already "labels" or definitions for such makers; craftsman, artisan, professional, bladesmith.

Why are so many knives called custom when they are not?

This, I believe, is the most troublesome and misleading thing any knife maker, boutique shop, semi-production shop, small or large manufacturer, supplier, show sponsor, club, or knife owner can do. Misrepresenting knives as custom when they are not does a great disservice to our community, trade, art, craft, and insults every one who is interested in knives, and it happens all the time. All you need to do is put the words "custom knives" into any search engine, and you'll immediately see dozens and dozens of sites misrepresenting their knives as custom. Thankfully, you'll also see true custom works offered by knife makers, but these are actually in a minority! Why would so many sources, sites, merchants, makers, and manufacturers misrepresent (lie) about the knives they sell?

When something is claimed to be custom, that means that the maker has an extremely high level of participation in the process. When you buy something "ready made," or "off the shelf," you simply take what is offered to everyone else. There is nothing wrong with that; most knife sales throughout history are completed as "off the shelf" purchases.

A custom work means that there is communication between the maker and the client, that the client or patron gets just what he wants, just as he wants it, with his ideas and guidance in the creation of the piece. Custom work can only be accomplished by a maker who has an extremely wide range and array of talents and skills, as each knife is different, and each project must receive dedicated and specific attention suited to just the one client who orders it. Custom work also indicates that the work is typically one-of-a-kind, an original and unique piece that may be of higher value than mass-produced works.
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http://www.jayfisher.com/Custom_Knives.htm#Why_are_so_many_knives_called_custom_when_they_are_not
 
spydercobenchmadekai said:
Soo...does the ReaTe have an in-house heat treat, or is it sent out?
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From 2 pages back:

"We have professional production equipment: CNC high speed engraving machine, milling, line cutting, CNC grinding, vacuum heat treatment furnace, low temperature tempering furnace, can we make this a necessary condition for manufacturing high quality knives."
 
Bigfatts said:
From 2 pages back:

"We have professional production equipment: CNC high speed engraving machine, milling, line cutting, CNC grinding, vacuum heat treatment furnace, low temperature tempering furnace, can we make this a necessary condition for manufacturing high quality knives."
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So in-house, I guess. Interesting--I wonder how big of an operation ReaTe is going to be? With all of that equipment, they must be planning on putting out a lot of knives.
 
spydercobenchmadekai said:
Shouldn't you be minding you own business while keeping to the topic of knives?
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You're on a public forum, this is my business.

Why are you making it your business to give this guy a hard time.

Ok, he's not KAI, you've stated that plenty of times, and the fact your only 13, which I'm starting to doubt.

Why not go make some knives in your shop/garage and leave this maker be?
 
Myker said:
You're on a public forum, this is my business.

Why are you making it your business to give this guy a hard time.

Ok, he's not KAI, you've stated that plenty of times, and the fact your only 13, which I'm starting to doubt.

Why not go make some knives in your shop/garage and leave this maker be?
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How am I giving him a hard time? I am talking about them, asking questions such as the ones above. He has already cleared up a lot the my early questions; so it is time to ask some more.

Look for the article in BladeMagazine later this year featuring myself and several other young knife makers.
 
spydercobenchmadekai and Myker

You will cease the BS in this thread or I'm going to zap you both. I hope that's clear enough.
 
spydercobenchmadekai said:
I wouldn't! (Without a recurve), I would pay $200 if it was made in the USA, which oddly enough is what similar ZTs go for. Made in China, and I'll pay $100 for the S35VN version or $150 for the M390. Really, that's how much the country of origin matters to me.
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Or just wait till aliexpress.com gets ahold of one and makes copies for $12.95 a piece :D
 
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