How strong is the Liner lock for Spyderco Military?

Well said Sal!

If you want a sports car, you don't buy a tank.

Equally if you buy a tank, you can't complain your friends sports car handles better and goes faster.

More tank= less knife. More knife = less tank.

I want a knife that cuts first and tanks last. Other people somehow buy into the marketing that a tough abuse ready knife is somehow a better knife.

Its a folding knife, its broken already, its nice to have a super super silly tough abuse tank knife but it will weigh my trousers down and no doubt be a less efficient and capable cutter as the edges, blade shape and tip will reflect the super abuse ethos.

In my opinion, people want all the cutting power and poking power of a slender tip with little or no weight, silly tough abuse ready lock and blade with a low cost and bomb proof warranty.

Well dream on boys! You focus on one aspect, something has to give.

People moan about the Spyderco Military and its tip, well I am a Spyderco fan and I broke the tip of one of my four Militaries. It was the CPM440V model and it broke cutting cable ties in a computer case. I inserted the tip and torqued the tip to cut the cable. Well it broke. Was this abuse? Thats arguable but we now know that CPM440V is not a tough steel. I certainly would not do that again with that steel in a needle fine blade.

Would S30V stand up to this? I think it probably would.

Either way, Spyderco looked after me and reground the tip. I have also never had the Military lock fail on any of my four Militaries and I EDC'd them for quite some time. Least until I changed my job and lost an important reason for carry. Now its a UKPK.

I think people have bought into the abuse level knives hype as the only type of knife suitable for emergencies or our troops. Its the concept of making people think you do not need skill or training to do anything if your knife is strong enough to take a gorilla pounding a rock with it. Nonsense but it sells to stupid people.:rolleyes:
 
softrockrenegade said:
The liner lock on my military failed durring some light batoning for kindling(quite a surprise) and now the knife had slight up/down blade play. Perhaps it was technique but I didn't have a fixed blade on me at the moment. Even though I consider the military liner lock the best on the market !!!
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Disengage the lock next time you baton with a folder - works like a charm! :D
 
smasak said:
.... I have the solution for you guys that hate thin tips:
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Now where did you get the idea that there are guys who hate thin tips? What we do is we differentiate between knives with thin tips and knives with thicker tips. I do carry both but I don't confuse one with the other.

I hope this is clearer to you now.
 
The General said:
If you want a sports car, you don't buy a tank.

Equally if you buy a tank, you can't complain your friends sports car handles better and goes faster.

More tank= less knife. More knife = less tank.
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You get no argument from me there! The problem is calling a sports car a tank. Military=sports car.

The General said:
Other people somehow buy into the marketing that a tough abuse ready knife is somehow a better knife.
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Who ever said that a tank knife is the better knife? It's just better in some tasks that a slicer can't handle.Have you guys understood that us hard use guys usually carry more than one knife? I carry a slicer in addition to a hard use knife.

You slicer guys seem to think that we don't know that thin, low bevel angle knives are best for cutting. Sorry to disappoint but we actually do know. We just like to carry another knife for other contingencies that our EDC slicers can't handle.
 
singularity35 said:
You get no argument from me there! The problem is calling a sports car a tank. Military=sports car.



Who ever said that a tank knife is the better knife? It's just better in some tasks that a slicer can't handle.Have you guys understood that us hard use guys usually carry more than one knife? I carry a slicer in addition to a hard use knife.

You slicer guys seem to think that we don't know that thin, low bevel angle knives are best for cutting. Sorry to disappoint but we actually do know. We just like to carry another knife for other contingencies that our EDC slicers can't handle.
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Yep, there are those of us who own different types of knives. :thumbup:

I also agree that some are calling certian folders HD when they really aren't. ;)
 
Ankerson said:
Yep, there are those of us who own different types of knives. :thumbup:

I also agree that some are calling certian folders HD when they really aren't. ;)
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No kidding. I have five that are under 2 1/2 blade length: 2 Kershaws, a Ripple 2, CS Mini lawman and a Boker Lady Bug, then the 3+ inch folders like the BM 755 mpr, BM 930, BM 910, etc., on up to the bad boys: Zero Tolerance 300 and Cold Steel Black Rhino...

No Johnny One-Note here!

And a few more slicers and beaters, like a mean lookin' Kershaw 400 very pointy tanto with serrations. That one will give Sheeple nightmares just looking at the blade.
 
I carry my Spyderco Mili when I go backpacking. Just got back from a 3-day trip. I barely used it but I liked having it with me. I trust the liner lock. It seems well executed. The light weight for its size and roomy handle are a couple key attributes of the Mili. It's a classic.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Knuckledraggers are OK in my book.

Certainly there was no offense intended. I think Mick and Ken know me well enough to know that about me.

sal
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That is pretty funny. ROFL :D

I almost spit my coffee all over my monitor when I read that. :)
 
Sal Glesser said:
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I will say that there seems to be a growing demand for folding abuse knives and we have several on the drawing board. They are being designed and built to take abuse. But they will not likely be able to cut and poke with the efficiency of the thinner Military blade nor will they be as light.

sal
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Say it ain't so, Sal!!

So you're becoming a "knuckle dragger" too??

Will you still call the new creations Spydercos? Or will they get a brand name all their own?

BTW, I'm looking forward to the new ones.
 
I'm sure Spyderco can and will make a folder that is as tough as any. They are in business to satisfy demands and if having super cutting, well made knives is not enough to do it and enough people want them (knives to abuse) then Spyderco will answer the demand as always.
 
Originally Posted by Sal Glesser

I will say that there seems to be a growing demand for folding abuse knives and we have several on the drawing board. They are being designed and built to take abuse. But they will not likely be able to cut and poke with the efficiency of the thinner Military blade nor will they be as light.

sal

I'll be on it like stink on s**t. It won't matter to me that it won't poke and cut like the millie because I'll be carrying a millie in the other pocket.
 
jill jackson said:
I'm sure Spyderco can and will make a folder that is as tough as any. They are in business to satisfy demands and if having super cutting, well made knives is not enough to do it and enough people want them (knives to abuse) then Spyderco will answer the demand as always.
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I have no doubt they can make them either. :thumbup:

I am looking forward to the new models once they come out. :D
 
I've owned a 1/2 dozen or so Spydercos. All thin razor sharp slicers. Are there any models in production, or still available that you would consider border on "hard use or heavy duty" knives?
 
cziv said:
I've owned a 1/2 dozen or so Spydercos. All thin razor sharp slicers. Are there any models in production, or still available that you would consider border on "hard use or heavy duty" knives?
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I would think that the chinook 3 can take some abuse. Except for the thin tip the military is actually very strong.
 
That's what any good company does, isn't it? Provide the products that's in demand and that way they flourish and the ones that don't often close their doors. No one can say Spyderco doesn't switch their line up on a more frequent basis than any other manufacturer.
That to me is why they are so successful. Always new models coming and going!
 
jill jackson said:
That's what any good company does, isn't it? Provide the products that's in demand and that way they flourish and the ones that don't often close their doors. No one can say Spyderco doesn't switch their line up on a more frequent basis than any other manufacturer.
That to me is why they are so successful. Always new models coming and going!
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I think I understand now why Spyderco does have a very loyal following besides just the excellent knives they have produced in the past and are producing at the present. I do hope it doesn't take too long before the new knives get to the market.
 
cziv said:
I've owned a 1/2 dozen or so Spydercos. All thin razor sharp slicers. Are there any models in production, or still available that you would consider border on "hard use or heavy duty" knives?
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Most Spydercos do have pointy tips and thinner edges.
The one without the tip that comes to mind is the Rock Lobster. I don't know about the rest of it but the blade shape sure would resist tip snapping.
 
So it seems that most here seem to agree that thinner blades do not pry as well as thicker blades with thick tips. Obvious logic.

And it also seems that most agree that a thinner blade will slicd better than a thicker blade with thick tips. Obvious logic.

So, Singularity.

Using that same logic, would you agree that a thinner blade with a pointy tip will penetrate more effectively than a thick blade with a thick tip?

sal
 
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