I can't contain my 0777 lust any longer. (Clones)

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spydercobenchmadekai said:
That. You can afford $130 for "novelty," but you can't save for a month or two and pay the going price for your GRAIL?
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As nicely as I can put it, I get what you're saying so no need to be redundant. It's easy to say "just save" when you don't even buy your own meals, never the less for others. If I'm going to drop that much on a production knife, I'd like to get a taste before purchasing the meal.


I tell you what. I'm going to buy the clone. If I like the general design, I'm going to immediately start saving for an 0777 M390BLK. At that point, I will abuse the clone with the intent of breaking it under reaslistic circumstances. The sad reality is there will be a day when finding an 0777 at all will be near impossible, and prices will be astronomical. At least then I will have the clone as a user, should it hold up.
 
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If you are talking like 75$ or something a taste wont hurt, but im sure someone has a used one so you dont directly support the factories with a new purchase.
But it is more of a taste of something left over and microwaved.
It may look like it and almost feel like it. But it wont lock up the same. It wont have the high quality feel. And it certainly will not be as smooth etc.
But it wont hurt. Im sure you expected to get mostly negative feelings starting this thread. But, Nike.

o4tg said:
As nicely as I can put it, I get what you're saying so no need to be redundant. It's easy to say "just save" when you don't even buy your own meals, never the less for others. If I'm going to drop that much on a production knife, I'd like to get a taste before purchasing the meal.


I tell you what. I'm going to buy the clone. If I like the general design, I'm going to immediately start saving for an 0777 M390BLK. At that point, I will abuse the clone with the intent of breaking it under reaslistic circumstances. The sad reality is there will be a day when finding an 0777 at all will be near impossible, and prices will be astronomical. At least then I will have the clone as a user, should it hold up.
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o4tg said:
As nicely as I can put it, I get what you're saying so no need to be redundant. It's easy to say "just save" when you don't even buy your own meals, never the less for others. If I'm going to drop that much on a production knife, I'd like to get a taste before purchasing the meal.


I tell you what. I'm going to buy the clone. If I like the general design, I'm going to immediately start saving for an 0777 M390BLK. At that point, I will abuse the clone with the intent of breaking it under reaslistic circumstances. The sad reality is there will be a day when finding an 0777 at all will be near impossible, and prices will be astronomical. At least then I will have the clone as a user, should it hold up.
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I'm glad that you made up your mind. I'm also sad that you will get set back $130 on your saving...anyway, I'm gone. Good day!
 
BellaBlades said:
If you are talking like 75$ or something a taste wont hurt, but im sure someone has a used one so you dont directly support the factories with a new purchase.
But it is more of a taste of something left over and microwaved.
It may look like it and almost feel like it. But it wont lock up the same. It wont have the high quality feel. And it certainly will not be as smooth etc.
But it wont hurt. Im sure you expected to get mostly negative feelings starting this thread. But, Nike.
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That would be optimal. Now that you mention it, I'd probably take the clone and do a pass around so others in my position would be able to get a feel for it too, without spending the money for the real deal or supporting the knocker offers.
 
Barman1 said:
The only thing I'm on the fence about is putting my own edge on with the Edge Pro. I'm struggling with the "what ifs". Should I keep it as a safe queen or sharpen it and use it. What if I find I don't like it as a user and how much will I devalue it after it's sharpened? Yeah it's a sticky issue on these forums with safe queens but there is the reality of personal economy.
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- After watching Smokeeater's Youtube videos on changing the edge angle, I immediately did the same with my ZT777. The factory angle of 23 degrees is much too high for a steel like M390. I also wasn't worried about resale value or a safe queen. Life's too short to not use the best things you can afford.

o4tg said:
That would be optimal. Now that you mention it, I'd probably take the clone and do a pass around so others in my position would be able to get a feel for it too, without spending the money for the real deal or supporting the knocker offers.
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- I don't see how a counterfeit would give you the "feel" of the real knife. It doesn't have the same blade steel and most likely doesn't have the same fit, finish, etc. I would think that the ZT770 would come closer to the feel of the ZT777 than any knockoff possibly could.
 
My advice is to wait for something else to come along that is your new grail and pre-order it unless it happens to be a full production model. Right now most of the companies are only doing their "best" stuff in limited editions and secondary markup on anything limited edition right now if you don't get in on the pre-order is just ridiculous. I'm not a collector, so there's no way I'm paying $800 for a knife that sold for well under $400 a year ago and frankly nothing ZT makes has the fit and finish worth $800. I like their stuff and I've handled just about every limited edition they've made and not one had the fit and finish to justify even close to that price. Same is true of the ridiculous prices PM2 sprints are going for. So wait for something you really like, pre-order 2, and the way secondary market is going 6 months after they are all bought up you can sell one and pay for them both. There's a lot of guys doing just that, my advice is not to be on the wrong end of it.
 
o4tg said:
As nicely as I can put it, I get what you're saying so no need to be redundant. It's easy to say "just save" when you don't even buy your own meals, never the less for others. If I'm going to drop that much on a production knife, I'd like to get a taste before purchasing the meal.


I tell you what. I'm going to buy the clone. If I like the general design, I'm going to immediately start saving for an 0777 M390BLK. At that point, I will abuse the clone with the intent of breaking it under reaslistic circumstances. The sad reality is there will be a day when finding an 0777 at all will be near impossible, and prices will be astronomical. At least then I will have the clone as a user, should it hold up.
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I am sure at some point you will find another knife that you like as much as a 0777.Keep plugged in and continue to save so when the opportunity knocks(pre-order/release)you can pull the trigger.Sometimes our tastes change with time or another knife speaks to us.I try to be grateful for what I have and always look forward.May bee you will get a 0777 at some point and may bee not.If you plan ahead I am sure you will be able to chase some models you must-have or another one may speak to you and you will not miss the opportunity to grab it in a small window if necessary.You never know what will happen, but you can be prepared....Enjoy your knife.
Best,
salmonkiller
 
Plenty of YouTube videos of people rationalizing why they bought a copy/rip off.
They later admitted they no longer support thieves and save for the real thing.

So many great knives out there made without stealing the direct design off another, that if you must can be a stop gap until you save up and find a deal on the real knife you want.
 
I still ponder who copied who RE: ZT 0777 and Microtech Matrix
[video=youtube;gKwMgKDuQCA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gKwMgKDuQCA[/video]
[video=youtube;hGSg68HJek4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hGSg68HJek4[/video]
 
Thomas here...

A most disturbing thread on multiple levels...

Finished off with a MT reference.

Wow, and sickening.

Out.
 
OP, since you had a custom order for about the same price, why didn't you just buy the 0777, cancel the custom order, and have one of the Pakistani knifemakers make you one "just like" the custom? I'm sure the custom maker would have sent you the design, since stealing someone's ideas don't cost them anything. Then you could have had your "warm fuzzy." /sarcasm

If you buy, own, or possess a clone/counterfeit/fake, YOU are the market for the intellectual property thieves. If there was no market, they wouldn't exist. YOU are part of the problem.
 
OP, don't listen to these guys. If you want the knife, get it. It's that simple. If it is worth it to you and you'll be happy with it, then it's a no-brainer.

A lot of people go up in arms over fakes and copies on the forums and over the internet, but do they really care? Do they actually do anything in their own lives to fix the issue? No, of course not.
 
o4tg, if buying a clone makes you happy, then go for it.

Most individuals here on Bladeforums are vehemently against clones and knockoffs, so bravo to you for having the bravery to start a topic on the subject. The clone groupthink here makes it impossible to even have a discussion about anything Chinese, much less clones.

But ultimately, buy what makes you happy. Sure you may have buyer's remorse after buying/handling the clone, but how will you know for sure if you never get it? There is always the chance it could be an incredible knife. Buy it, then post a review with lots of pictures so that people who are in your current situation in the future will be better informed. Just got to ignore the pitchfork/torch wielding masses.
 
I could never buy a clone/counterfeit/fake and the thought does make me sick just thinking about it.I hope the OP does enjoy his knife as he will have to live with his decision.Who am I to judge?Everyone has there own set of moral and ethics.The Matrix and the 0777 are very similar designs from my observations.I wonder if one is a copy of the other or this it's purely coincidence?I don't know the answer..Perhaps there is someone who would be willing to enlighten me and knows the answer?
 
Strong-Dog said:
OP, don't listen to these guys. If you want the knife, get it. It's that simple. If it is worth it to you and you'll be happy with it, then it's a no-brainer.

A lot of people go up in arms over fakes and copies on the forums and over the internet, but do they really care? Do they actually do anything in their own lives to fix the issue? No, of course not.
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If you mean doing more than not buying rip off designs and supporting theft with my own dollars and advising against supporting that market, no I don't.

Of course there are people that think anyone who doesn't take advantage of another is an idiot.
That is also wrong no matter how it's sugar coated.
 
spydercobenchmadekai said:
I'm glad that you made up your mind. I'm also sad that you will get set back $130 on your saving...anyway, I'm gone. Good day!
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I get a kick out of how you lectured an adult on their spending habits, essentially insulted them based off of ideas about money that you have as a teenager with no real financial responsibility, and worst of all contributed literally nothing towards answering his question. Wow. Perhaps moving forward you should consider answering questions that you have some actual insight into, and maybe just treading a little more lightly.
 
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I love how a 13 year old is lecturing people to save money when he can't even legally work and he's buying and displaying a bunch of high end knives.....
 
Kowan said:
If you mean doing more than not buying rip off designs and supporting theft with my own dollars and advising against supporting that market, no I don't.

Of course there are people that think anyone who doesn't take advantage of another is an idiot.
That is also wrong no matter how it's sugar coated.
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What you just said is completely subjective. I respect your opinion, and I'm not saying I disagree with it. However, you cannot say that something is absolutely wrong as a fact. That's impossible. By who's standards is it "wrong"? You can have an opinion, but that is just ridiculous. Do I agree with copying someone else's design and selling it as their own? No. But buying this knife isn't the same as making it, even if the former supports the later.
 
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