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I HATE KARAMBITS BUT.... CRKT PROVOKE CASWELL DESIGN NEW VIDEO PG 10

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by JParanee, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    I haven't decided whether I should think of it as losing $12.80, not losing anything (since I wasn't planning on getting a CRKT version), or having already lost $1,379 last April! :D
     
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  2. abcdef

    abcdef

    Oct 28, 2005
    CRKT Provoke $157.19
    Keep the information flowing. Maybe it will reach my tipping point.
     
  3. cigarrodog

    cigarrodog Platinum Member Platinum Member

    May 18, 2014
    For those who may not have seen the original KS campaign video, here is the original, version 1.
     
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  4. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    I like the engineering aspect of the opening system of this karambit; and that alone is enough to justify buying and enjoying one. I've done the same thing with two other licensed knock-off CRKTs with clever opening systems:

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    Neither of these knives offer any advantage over a normal EDC, say from Spyderco, Benchmade or ZT. They are cumbersome to use. Clever, but cumbersome.

    I see the same thing with this karambit. And it's barely a karambit, which is supposed to function like a tiger's claw. The curve is barely enough to qualify as a karambit. The blade is so small, narrow and unbelieveably thick that I don't see any functional advantage. It's attractive only because of the nifty opening system. Like my two other CRKTs, it's a toy or a design exercise.

    Nothing wrong with that, but let's call it what it is.
     
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  5. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    It's kind of a niche user knife. For me it basically fills the role you describe. An interesting toy that will rarely be carried, and never used as a utility knife.
     
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  6. unwisefool

    unwisefool Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    Ok, silly question time, why did you buy three if you aren't really going to carry them?
     
  7. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    1 to use, 1 for back up and 1 for possible resale for profit if the price for it shoots up is at least one possibility. ;)
     
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  8. stabman

    stabman

    Sep 17, 2007
    Well, that's the marketing of karambits.
    I've had a karambit in my left front pocket for going on 10 years now.
    The supposed benefits for being a weapon are not really there.
    Likewise, the supposed lack of utility use is also false.

    It will cut things just fine.
    It will not be a better weapon than any other normal knife though, despite what 10000 screaming martial artists will yell at me (I'm a martial artist too, so I'll just yell back at them... :D).


    Doug also does fine with any other regular knife.
    He really seems to like karambits, and that's cool; everyone has their favourites.
     
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  9. cigarrodog

    cigarrodog Platinum Member Platinum Member

    May 18, 2014
    I don’t think of it as a toy. It may have a bit of a toy factor, like the multiple knives that many here are buying today, but for those who regularly carry a Karambit, it is a serious tool. Well conceived, safer to deploy, excellent build quality, modular to allow blade change, backed by an exceptional knife maker, and something I will carry daily. If one can’t appreciate it, I get it. Simply don’t buy it.
     
  10. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    Mostly because it was just so darn cool. I wanted to have one to carry, and have the option to leave one in the safe and recoup some of the purchase cost selling a third on eBay or whatever. If I sold two of my three at retail, I would have gotten the keeper for $50.
     
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  11. unwisefool

    unwisefool Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    You were correct!
     
  12. stabman

    stabman

    Sep 17, 2007
     
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  13. WValtakis

    WValtakis Hand Engraving, Anodizing and Embellishment Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 29, 2004
    I feel like there should be a term for that kind of mentality...can't quite think of it:rolleyes:
     
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  14. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Definitely a lot of cool stuff about this knife.

    What do you think of the blade? That's what really put me off. It's tiny at 2.4 inches long, about an inch wide and a whopping 0.2 inches thick.

    That's the same thickness as my Busse Bushwhacker Battle Mistress, which has a beefy 10.5 inch blade. That blade is twice as wide.

    Geometry cuts. So why would you want a stubby prybar to cut stuff? Or for defense? What would be lost by going with a thinner stock, say half as thick?
     
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  15. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    Hahaha I admit after getting divorced and seeing my net income drop by a third, I have spent a lot more time thinking about how to eak out a few extra dollars out of literally everything. I'm literally selling my body to science as well, though sadly that is not as profitable as I hoped. I am part of this research study that is paying me $20 per blood draw, but I didn't know that A) it would be added to my paycheck, and take like a month to get there and B) that going in before work to do it would take more like an hour than ten minutes because of the line for blood and urine labs in the morning.

    ... but... $20 is $20, and I sure need it more now.

    If you want to look down your nose at people who flip knives on Bladeforums, that's fine by me. If you want to look down your nose at me just for thinking about flipping knives somewhere else, that seems a might excessive, but I guess I can't stop you.
     
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  16. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    All karambits have short blades because they are designed for close quarters (inside) fighting where a long blade would be at a disadvantage. It is NOT a gardening tool!

    Also, FWIW, if you miss w/the 1st swing of your 10" blade or have the swing blocked by an experienced martial artist w/a karambit, you will be severely cut up (and down on the ground bleeding, if not dying already) before you know it.

    Blade shapes vary from extremely radiused hawkbills to flat wharncliffes. The Provoke blade doesn't look entirely flat but clearly is more wharncliffe than not. The Sypderco Yojimbo is a wharncliffe and is considered a very effective fighting knife.

    Watching some of Caswell's promotional videos, the knife was designed, at least in part, for military use, where it would be subject to all kinds of challenges (not just cutting flesh) where prying actually might be necessary. So, the thickness and weight of the knife makes sense in terms of that.

    There are all kinds of knives, just like there are all kinds of tools. If you just want a thin and light weapon, I still think the Marcaida's Pika is the BEST karambit that you can buy.

    However, if you think that you may have to use the knife for more than just slashing or stabbing an arm, neck, leg, belly or chest, you may find that the Provoke may be the better tool to have on hand and certainly wouldn't be bad to have in your knife case simply to provide you w/an additional option.

    In terms of fighting knives, I have a lot to choose from but none of the ones that I already have are anything like the Provoke, which is my reason for wanting to buy one.

    OBTW, another good reason to have a thick and heavy karambit blade, like the one on the Provoke, is that it would be more likely to penetrate and break bone on impact (think sternum, ribs, scapula and/or skull) rather than deflect or bounce off as would be more likely with a thinner, lighter blade. This is also a good reason to have a flat pointed blade shape (like the wharncliffe) than one that is radiused.

    Just saying . . . LOL! ;)
     
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  17. cigarrodog

    cigarrodog Platinum Member Platinum Member

    May 18, 2014
  18. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Yes, a great answer, which just shows I'm not a karambit kind of guy.
     
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  19. cigarrodog

    cigarrodog Platinum Member Platinum Member

    May 18, 2014
  20. unwisefool

    unwisefool Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    No worries, I'm not a beans kind of guy. Everyone likes different things.
     

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