i love the enduras throw the kershaws in the trash

[DennisStrickland]

sorry a double post--dennis

 

[Mal2]

What a great thread. As a newcomer to this forum, I have been impressed with the cordial nature of most of the posts and the well described subjective evaluation of various blades. However; what is oft missed is even a thread of objective evaluation. It's refreshing to see it come to play here and at the same time a bit disappointing to see the general reaction.

The test will have flaws as all tests do but I, for one, welcome such opinions and challenges and find it quite easy to look beyond what others seem to perceive as a lack of tact in its initial stating.

Carry on sir(s) I watch with considerable anticipation.

 

[N4SIR]

Check your email i think you just won the Nigerian lottery and your cousin from england wants to give you some land..

There is absolutely nothing wrong with posting an opinion based upon fact. There is however something wrong with making a thread titled "throw your kershaws in the trash" IMO.Again the idea of doing several blade and cutting tests sounds fantastic and i enjoy seeing how each knife and or metal does in said tests,but only if the tester(s) remain objective and unbiased and again IMO starting out by saying to throw out a brand of knives is NO way to start off intelligent discussion on the matter.

 

[Pete1977]

Both fine knives but I worry the Shallot is going to be a challenge to hold on to if it gets wet. If you want to test out a couple others with handles better suited to the environment you're working in....let me know. I'll send you a Blur (composite blade with ZDP-189) and a ZT-350 (S30V) to test on the boat.

I appreciate the offer morrowj- I have sent you a PM. Let me know if you are still interested. I am

I asked 2Brothers and Thomas W to recommend a couple folders and 2Brothers gave me several models to look into, a couple of which I passed on to Dennis. Thomas W had no recommendations for me. As far as I know Dennis' knives are on the way to me. I will bring a camera on the boat and to the yard where I work on my lines and traps to get pix up with the reviews.

I look forward to getting a chance to review some knives i ordinarily would not.

Pete

 

[DennisStrickland]

furfmonkey realize one pertinent fact i have purchased 3 kershaws that i would'nt have until this adversity ignited. try to see some positive aspects of this testing.--dennis

 

[Morrow]

I appreciate the offer morrowj- I have sent you a PM. Let me know if you are still interested. I am

I asked 2Brothers and Thomas W to recommend a couple folders and 2Brothers gave me several models to look into, a couple of which I passed on to Dennis. Thomas W had no recommendations for me. As far as I know Dennis' knives are on the way to me. I will bring a camera on the boat and to the yard where I work on my lines and traps to get pix up with the reviews.

I look forward to getting a chance to review some knives i ordinarily would not.

Pete

Pete,

I got your PMs and will answer you shortly.

 

[N4SIR]

furfmonkey try to see some positive aspects of this testing.--dennis

I could have sworn i just posted that more than an hour ago...wait i did...

the idea of doing several blade and cutting tests sounds fantastic and i enjoy seeing how each knife and or metal does in said tests,but only if the tester(s) remain objective and unbiased

 

[yans]

I find this thread entirely entertaining. It is amazing how some forum members actually believe that we low counters actually care about what they think.

If you think this is swaying anything you are wrong and clearly delusional. All it shows is a lack of respect for fellow forum members. I have several kershaws and like them. I had one Spyderco and hated it. It was the native in s30v and it had the worst cutting edge on any knife I owned. Did I come to the forum and tell tpeople to throw all the spidies in the trash .... No I just decided on my own that I did not like them.

I still chuckle at how people self grandise themselves and believe we actually care about what they say. So dont go the Nuthfancy way. You put up or shut up.

Pay for a blade and use it. Give solid evidence of your beliefs and that is it. Dont go the low route and just slam. It kinda just makes you look like a troll.

 

[N4SIR]

I find this thread entirely entertaining. It is amazing how some forum members actually believe that we low counters actually care about what they think.

If you think this is swaying anything you are wrong and clearly delusional. All it shows is a lack of respect for fellow forum members. I have several kershaws and like them. I had one Spyderco and hated it. It was the native in s30v and it had the worst cutting edge on any knife I owned. Did I come to the forum and tell tpeople to throw all the spidies in the trash .... No I just decided on my own that I did not like them.

I still chuckle at how people self grandise themselves and believe we actually care about what they say. So dont go the Nuthfancy way. You put up or shut up.

Pay for a blade and use it. Give solid evidence of your beliefs and that is it. Dont go the low route and just slam. It kinda just makes you look like a troll.

:thumbup:

 

[Tostig]

I find this thread entirely entertaining. It is amazing how some forum members actually believe that we low counters actually care about what they think.

If you think this is swaying anything you are wrong and clearly delusional. All it shows is a lack of respect for fellow forum members. I have several kershaws and like them. I had one Spyderco and hated it. It was the native in s30v and it had the worst cutting edge on any knife I owned. Did I come to the forum and tell tpeople to throw all the spidies in the trash .... No I just decided on my own that I did not like them.

I still chuckle at how people self grandise themselves and believe we actually care about what they say. So dont go the Nuthfancy way. You put up or shut up.

Pay for a blade and use it. Give solid evidence of your beliefs and that is it. Dont go the low route and just slam. It kinda just makes you look like a troll.

Hear hear ! , excellent post.

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Mr Stickland. I have been a Kershaw buyer and user for some time now. I am grateful to know that all these years I have been wasting my coin on knives that not only cannot cut , but are incapable of holding an edge.

I am in your debt.

Sarcastically yours - Tostig

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[2brothers]

I appreciate the offer morrowj- I have sent you a PM. Let me know if you are still interested. I am

I asked 2Brothers and Thomas W to recommend a couple folders and 2Brothers gave me several models to look into, a couple of which I passed on to Dennis. Thomas W had no recommendations for me. As far as I know Dennis' knives are on the way to me. I will bring a camera on the boat and to the yard where I work on my lines and traps to get pix up with the reviews.

I look forward to getting a chance to review some knives i ordinarily would not.

Pete

Give'em a proper test Pete.
IIRC, you've already handled the Shallot and your brother had a Blackout?

 

[Pete1977]

Give'em a proper test Pete.
IIRC, you've already handled the Shallot and your brother had a Blackout?

He's actually had 3 blackouts. I sold 2 of them (earlier production models, pretty unimpressive) in 2005 or so. He has a newer version that seems like a more solid knife now. It looks like Kershaw upgraded the blade steel but I could be mistaken. The A/O on it doesn't have the snap like the older ones did but I have only handled it once, when he bought it.

I had a black shallot for a while that I reviewed on bladeforums. I did not really get to use it a lot on when I worked on the tug. I believe I gave it away with some other more "collectible" knives to people who would appreciate them more than me...

When Dennis' knives get here I will put'em to work...It may be a while before I get a review posted for any of these knives. I've learned more using the knife for a decent amount of time, getting to know it, so to speak. I will probably do a first impressions post for each then update them as I go along. If Kershaw has a factory forum I'd be glad to join it and post them there as well.

I have to say thanks to DennisStrickland, 2Brothers, and MorrowJ_98 for all of your help. I enjoy reviewing knives on the forums but I also like learning about knives I normally wouldn't buy or have the opportunity to use.

 

[EMT_Lee]

Here's my question: What production knife company does have S30V at 60-61 RC? The guy who helped come up with S30V doesn't offer it at 60-61... there's probably a reason for that.

 

[5.56]

From Strider's website:

Paul Bos performs a UNIQUE to Strider heat treat on all Strider Knives. The hardness for S30V is 59.5/60RC

That's the highest production RC that I know of

 

[jimnolimit]

Here's my question: What production knife company does have S30V at 60-61 RC? The guy who helped come up with S30V doesn't offer it at 60-61... there's probably a reason for that.

From Strider's website:


That's the highest production RC that I know of

paul bos heat treats buck's s30v and i believe it also runs between 59.5-60.0 HRC.

 

[N4SIR]

Doug Ritter Grip and mini grips s30v is about that also

Blade Material CPM S30V hardened to 58-60 HRC

 

[jimnolimit]

Doug Ritter Grip and mini grips s30v is about that also

Blade Material CPM S30V hardened to 58-60 HRC

s30v at 60 HRC is somewhat of a different animal than s30v at 58 HRC.

 

[N4SIR]

yeah its life changing... plz yeah anything less than what "insert forum king name here" says is crap and useless

next you will tell me doug ritter uses garbage steel and ZT knives go dull in a week right? i mean they are all wrong and the people who complain on the internet are correct right? this is just like any other troll post in any other thread


Troll Post handbook (Dennis must have this)

Rule of thumb you want the amount of replies you get on a thread to equal the amount of views (this means you are grabbing the attention of your audience enough that they just HAVE to post).


Make a catchy title. If your title sucks you lose a high percentage of potential readers/viewers. (kershaws are trash) check

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Make the situation seem real...but add in little hints of sarcism throughout the story line.


If someone reps you for being a good little troll...be nice and rep them back. (check)

At the end of your post asking a question will get the best responses...instead of writing out a story with no viewer interaction. Make the reader feel like their opinion matters.

Any fake or even "real" proof that you can attain to add in your posts is always a +

If a thread you made is going badly and you are getting negged to hell and care....delete the thread.

Keep your topics somewhat relevant to the section you are posting.

More Tips:

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If you reply to a troll post/thread make yours even MORE sarcastic. It is always fun to trade sarcasm with another troll. Rep each other and write nice little pms to each other.

Dont take anything anyone says personal. Your a troll. We have no feelings.

Dont add curses to your title or personal bashes....it CAN be gotten away with...but 60% chance a mod will catch it and delete or lock the thread.

 

[jimnolimit]

yeah its life changing... plz yeah anything less than what "insert forum king name here" says is crap and useless next you will tell me doug ritter uses garbage steel and ZT knives go dull in a week right?

my life hasn't been the same since .

all s30v comes from the same company, so no one gets a better version. different heat treat recipes will make the final properties of any steel different, that is a fact not an opinion.

 

[N4SIR]

i am aware that s30v comes from the same company ..at basically the same hardness and only heat treating changes the hardness .. i was merely stating that there was another knife being made using it

and please the diff between 58-60 is not THAT much and certainly not worth my time for internet debate

read this quote and tell me the difference is substantial btw he is a professional knifemaker not some guy on the internet making claims he stated the diff between 56 asnd 59 isnt much so 58-60 is even less negligible

I have a Kershaw with a CPMS30V blade that didn't seem as hard as knives we make. I checked the hardness and it came out 56. I reheat treated the blade and brought the hardness to 59. It made a difference in the knife's performance that I could recognize, but it was still doing very well at 56.

We use a good bit of S30V in our custom knives and temper them all to 59. Edge chipping is not a problem with S30V that we have experienced and we have tested many to destruction with some very thin edges. It has proven to be a very tough steel that holds an edge a long time. It is very wear resistant and that is not all about hardness.