I thought these were overbuilt? Direware lock fail (brand new knife)

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Can you get the lock to fail in any other way? The spine whack has been near proven to not be real life scenario and it most likely won't be an issue in real world use. Suffice it to say I still would send it back for that and either get it fixed or replaced preferably but it should do many tasks without issues and will likely never fail unless spine whacked. But hey that's what everyone told the the people who had zt's failing for spine whacks. Spine whacking is stupid they say. So ignore it and go about your day.
 
BruceMack said:
The OP’s point is that a knife he bought has a fatal flaw. He is absolutely correct. Forum members should stop the crap. Say nothing if your only intent is preening.
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Please stop discussing other forum members, and stick to the discussion: this Direware knife. On topic answer, did you know that the "Dire" in Direware comes from the level of the consequences of when the poor lock geometry causes the knife to swing closed on your finger when stripping wire? It's true, I looked it up on their website.
 
BruceMack said:
The OP’s point is that a knife he bought has a fatal flaw. He is absolutely correct. Forum members should stop the crap. Say nothing if your only intent is preening.
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Who are you? He asked our opinions of the knife in another thread he started. We told him. He buys the knife anyway and it's a finger guillotine. We tell him for his purpose the knife isn't favorable, he objects. We try to drive the point home, he ignores it. You come along and now I'm wondering, who are you? :confused:
 
It's their new self closing mechanism-I believe they have applied for a patent:)
This one was a failure(figuratively and literally)-send it back and start over. Keep your expectations reasonable and don't expect any folder to replace a fixed blade well. I find I am better off with a good slicing folder paired with a solid fixed blade than a compromise folder that is not great at anything-not that I don't own any over built(for lack of a better term) folders-life isn't always about the practical.
 
Why didn't you just ask the manufacturer themselves if it would be up to the tasks and if it would fail a spine whack and if so what would they do?

Instead you ask a bunch of folks that don't even have dierwares.

Frame locks can be prone to spine whacks. It really won't be an issue in those tasks.
 
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I'm not using it for bushcrafting but I want to know if it will work for bushcrafting.

The logic is flawed.

A folder isn't the answer, not even a cold steel, in this situation. Carry a fixed blade. If it's not legal, move somewhere that it is, only if you care.

Send that pos back. Listen to the advice you requested....or don't, but don't post about your poor choices because you will not like what people who know what they are talking about have to say on your topic.
 
OP, I understand your question, however, what you're seeing is the experience others have had in following the path from, "I wonder if...", and having some good luck, and some bad, to, "I carry the right tool for the right job..."

Some will be more expositional in stating their current position, some more courteous, some very terse.

Overall, having never handled a Direwire, but having lossa years with a wide variety of cutlery, I would say that a different specimen from DW would probably meet your desires. That assumes that you have received a bad 1 in 1000. My personal confidence in DW, after handling a knife such as you have received would be marginal at best, and such is the nature of custom/semi-custom products. In making a significant investment, and receiving a less that optimal product, consumers tend to clump all offerings into the junk pile. Sometimes it's warranted, sometimes not.

I'm not a ZT "fan boy", but I have ~16 specimens, and both enjoy, and have confidence in, all of them. I'm an ex-EMT, and modestly active outdoorsman, so I have some basis for assessing, "hard use". If a knife gets all loosey-goosey after butt-hammering out a tempered glass window, or completely loses its edge when crossing the steel frame in a car seat, bends or cracks when used to wedge open the space between a car door and the window, I don't consider it terribly useful. I also don't carry $$$ knife for those purposes.

Could my ZTs (or a fairly broad range of similarly priced models form other makers) do it on a one-off, at an off-duty roadside party? Sure.

All that to say, if you're willing to give DW another chance, and do some basic grip-tests (as you did), and it passes, you're generally GTG. If not, get your $$$ back, and get something else you like.

Among others, I had a Terzuola ACFK that I carried for a few years. Could I have used it to cut someone out of a car? Possibly, but the cost of it, for me personally, was too high to seriously consider that usage. If I was debt-free, and making lawyer wages, heck yeah, I'd have an ACFK daily user and 4 or 5 replacements.:cool:
 
BruceMack said:
The OP’s point is that a knife he bought has a fatal flaw. He is absolutely correct. Forum members should stop the crap. Say nothing if your only intent is preening.
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Actually our intent is to clearly restate that we told him don't get that knife.

But then he got it anyway because he felt he knew better. And lo and behold it's only suited for Instagram operators to preen each other with and now he's unhappy.

Who could have guessed that would happen? Oh I know; everyone who said don't buy that knife.
 
Mo2 said:
Can you get the lock to fail in any other way? The spine whack has been near proven to not be real life scenario and it most likely won't be an issue in real world use. Suffice it to say I still would send it back for that and either get it fixed or replaced preferably but it should do many tasks without issues and will likely never fail unless spine whacked. But hey that's what everyone told the the people who had zt's failing for spine whacks. Spine whacking is stupid they say. So ignore it and go about your day.
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I could agree that the worth of the Spine Whack test is debatable, but what the OP's video shows is the lock failing the "light palm taps" test. Completely different level of fail imo.
 
Probably has very early lockup and a tap sends it off into unlock. I've seen pictures of knives like that and some say they will wear in afterwhile. IMO it should come with later lockup and be safe out of the box. Many framelocks I've tapped on hard surfaces held up just fine and most weren't high dollar knives. I wouldn't want one that failed like this one.
 
Danke42 said:
Who could have guessed that would happen? Oh I know; everyone who said don't buy that knife.
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At the risk of being flogged mercilessly, I don't think anyone guessed that it would be defective out of the box, which is a separate issue from the original debate. If it had failed during the type of use that everyone warned against doing, then sure.
 
I use this out in the woods and it's light at around 4oz , came razor sharp has a 4.75 inch blade a nice leather sheath and was only 89 dollars shipped. You can use it hard and not worry about it failing.

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jill jackson said:
Probably has very early lockup and a tap sends it off into unlock. I've seen pictures of knives like that and some say they will wear in afterwhile. IMO it should come with later lockup and be safe out of the box. Many framelocks I've tapped on hard surfaces held up just fine and most weren't high dollar knives. I wouldn't want one that failed like this one.
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In the OP's video, lockup appears to be 50-60%.
 
jill jackson said:
I use this out in the woods and it's light at around 4oz , came razor sharp has a 4.75 inch blade a nice leather sheath and was only 89 dollars shipped. You can use it hard and not worry about it failing.

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Psssh, that's just classically attractive and practical. You aren't going to pull the Instagram likes* with that trash, come on now.



*Literally the primary reason why companies like Direware, Heeter, and Lucky13 exist.
 
Send it back ASAP or use it an a $1000 Instagram prop to show cool pictures of to your knife friends.

Some people may laugh at my Medford Praetorian, but it won’t cut my fingers off and was half the price of that Dire-thingy.
 
CCC1522 said:
And as for what is hard use or what do i mean by hard use, well hard cutting tasks, thick plastics, dry wall, wire stripping (hence the hawk bill), carpet and god forbid self defense are all hard uses in my opinion bc they are more than simple box cutting and food prep chores many other edc knives are often used for.
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Which of these involves spine whacking your hand?
Thought we all agreed spine whacking is dumb. Dude if you want to spend a grand on a robust knife you think is bad ass then by all means do you. But it doesn't matter if the handle is a slab of. 250 titanium. Or a .50 ti liner If the lock engagement is only .010 then that's all the "strength " the knife has. Period.
So many knife and gun guys love in the "what if" fantasy world to quantify spending money on cool shit.
Just buy what you want and be done with it!
 
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