Idiots on eBay - Classiccutleryusa

So many GOOD dealers out there: knifeworks, newgraham, knivesplus, gpknives,knivesshipfree,..... I"ve had wonderful experiences with all of them.

Patronize the right people who do right by you. Everybody wins.
 
Any other time I would have gone thru NGK, but they did not have the Mojitos (they have the Mojo's), and couldn't guarantee they could get any before Christmas! This is why I went with Classic Ripoff Cutlery, because they said they had KS1800's with 13C26 steel (hence the name Mojito).

Mike, Mary Beth and Annie are the best!

Full disclosure and 100% honesty...unlike Classic Ripoff Cutlery.....Asshats.............
 
Gerberblades said:
I guess in the case of the company that you mentioned here, you can only hope that the weather is bad enough to keep them inside processing orders.

GB
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Hi Everyone.

Actually, that "White Mountain" bit has been part of our selling policies for years, and has not changed. The miscreants you quoted earlier in this thread are not us, but some "dealer" in Loiusiana, and unlike Mr. Sneed (SPXTrader), I will not be hiding behind the cowardly anonymity of an Illiterinet username.

We've received various absurd e-mails from Mr. Sneed regarding us being in Louisiana and Texas, but we are actually in New Hampshire, The Last Free State in America.

One of the many problems inherent to the Illiterinet is that people like Mr. Sneed believe that if they post "information" at lightspeed, it must stand to reason that he is capable of thinking at the same rate, and, regrettably, many forum readers are all too eager to immediately assume the negative.

We're not even going to bother addressing the more absurd portions of Mr. Sneed's claims, except to remark that it is interesting to note that his abusive, condescending, lecturing stream of e-mails began while the order was still en route to him; he merely assumed he was not going to receive what he wanted, and started his campaign of abuse. At that point, we pretty much tuned him out and decided to do what we do best... fill 500+ orders weekly for our many loyal, happy, POLITE customers (actually, this week we've shipped over 1,400 orders since Monday morning, but that is unusual...).

For those of you who have jumped on Mr. Sneed's bandwagon without bothering to check the facts, we've been in this gig since 1983. That's twice as long as eBay has existed (for those of you who are mathematically challenged), and we certainly didn't survive that long by screwing people. Likewise, over 13,000 positive feedbacks rated and over 21,000 positive feedbacks overall translates to many repeat customers, so it would seem Mr. Sneed's issues are, indeed, isolated. Some people simply will not be pleased no matter what. So be it. You can't win them all.

People have been buying from us for 24+ years for our quality products and prices, not our charm. If it makes you feel better to post negative comments on forums like this, have fun. We won't be drawn into a debate about how to conduct business, etc. Over the past two decades we've simply lost count of how many so-called "knife dealers" have come and gone while the Mr. Sneeds of the world (thankfully few-and-far-between) have been quick to tell us how they're going to "destroy" us. We're still here, they're not. Such is life

In closing, here's wishing all of you and your families a safe and prosperous Holiday Season.

Dave Lewis, owner
Classic Cutlery

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, provided it is an INFORMED one." - Ellison
 
Hi Dave from Classic Cutlery,

Just a quick question from me, you state in your policy that you may sell items that you don't have in stock. Is that allowed by ebay policies? Just curious. Thanks.

Oh and also you haven't addressed the discrepency between knife steels.
 
Hmmmm.

Just a bit condescending IMHO, and he didn't address the difference in steels as Dave said.

I've also never haeard of the Illiterinet , have any of you?
 
Gerberblades said:
Our shipping policy: This item typically ships between 0-5 days after payment is received, sometimes up to 10 days. We do not notify you if your item is going to ship late. Please do not contact us about shipping status unless 14 days have passed after your payment.

They have some interesting time frames here. How about, after 20 days, you will know for sure that you have been ripped off?

Please, if you need this item shipped immediately do not buy it from us

Translation: If you really want this item before Haley's Comet returns, order from a reputable company.

It takes us at least 1 day to retreive from our warehouse on the other side of the state.

Translation: We really like driving and thats why we put our warehouse all the way across the state from our store. But its a small state.

We sell items in our local storefront that impact our quantities on ebay

Translation: We keep a bare minimum stock.

Our local storefront takes priority over ebay

Translation: You would have better luck buying your knife if you drove to Louisiana where our store is located.

Occasionally this will cause the ebay buyer to purchase items that are not in stock

Translation: We often sell knives that we don't have in stock but we don't mind taking your money.

When this happens we will issue a refund

We know that you enjoy getting jacked around for a month on your knife purchases.

If this out of stock condition bothers you to the point where you have the urge to leave negative feedback

No, actually it leaves us feeling like hunting you with dogs...

Please do not buy from us

Translation: We have the poorest customer service on the web but please don't tell anyone.

The fine print is exactly as it appears on their ads. The comments are mine.

GB
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Hahahahahahaha!!!! ROTFLMAO!!! VERY excellent translation indeed!! Thanks for the laugh, Gerberblades, well done!! :D:thumbup::thumbup:

Sorry for your troubles, SPXTrader, I hope that you get a full refund.
 
DaveH said:
Hi Dave from Classic Cutlery,

Just a quick question from me, you state in your policy that you may sell items that you don't have in stock. Is that allowed by ebay policies? Just curious. Thanks.

Oh and also you haven't addressed the discrepency between knife steels.
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Hi. We do stock everything we've listed. Again, the policies that were posted in this forum are not ours. They are some other dealer's gibberish.

As stated previously, herein lies the problem with posting a continuous thread of misinformation: The ridiculous policies posted on page one of this thread were from some other dealer. Most of you just assumed they were ours because the thread started off bashing us, and you were all having too grand a time to bother seeking facts.

"My mind is made up and no amount of truth will change that!"

One forum participant even went so far as to look up our actual policies and, still assuming the garbage posted here was accurate, posted a note on this forum claiming that we had just today changed our posted policies on eBay, none of which is true. Our policies are auto-inserted by Square Trade. If we had changed our Square Trade policies, they would only apply to new listings for the first 24 hours, and would not update to all other listings until they were relisted, which could be up to 30 days for rotational Store-format listings. Naturally, the forum participant who posted this accusation could not know this, but ignorance isn't an excuse for bashing someone without the facts.

Dave Lewis
 
Wow...wait till I get the time to post all of his emails and Thomas W's email...I guess what got him going is that a close relative is the state Attorney General, and I emailed all of this to him. The first thing he asked was "Did he use the US Mail?"

Time will tell...
 
Mike G said:
Hmmmm.

Just a bit condescending IMHO, and he didn't address the difference in steels as Dave said.

I've also never haeard of the Illiterinet , have any of you?
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Condscending AND arrogant. You left out "arrogant".

"Illiterinet" is the term we use around here to describe most of the online world, what should have been a wonderful means of exchanging information, but has instead become heavily populated by inbreds who should not even be allowed to own a tool so magnificent as a computer, clogging the world's e-mailboxes with their keyboard-character angels and teddy bears, ignorant warnings of non-existent viruses, non-missing missing children, and ridiculously animated jokes and "emoticons" (the use of which are merely a banner announcing that the emoticon-user has so little grasp of written communication that he/she must resort to the use of little pictures to describe emotions, like some Illiterinet version of a fast-food employee's cash register.) Some even post massively tedious run-on sentences in reply to ludicrous rhetorical questions, but I digress...

One can only hope such participants will eventually have the good sense to donate their computers to a local school where they might provide some benefit to the world, but again I digress...

The steel issue is irrelevant to this thread. We've already addressed it with Mr. Sneed, but of course he chose to respond with more abuse and lecturing. Interesting how we're regarded as "condescending", but Mr. Sneed's abusive comments and rhetoric are not.

Illiterinet, indeed.

Dave Lewis
 
Hello, I've bought from you before and been very pleased.

However, I'm confused about the description for this item. It states "Mini Mojito/Mojo". the description states 13C26 Sandvik steel, but this is not how the Mini Mojos came. If it's a Mojo, I'm not interested. If it is a Mojito with 13C26 Sandvik as per your description, I'll keep my bid in place.

If you can clear this up for me I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Brad


From: Dave Lewis
To: cirta@cox.net
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:51 PM
Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


Both descriptions are listed for the same knife in the Kershaw catalog. It's all the same knife. What matters is the model numbr. This is a Kershaw 1800.

From: Bradley Sneed
Sent: Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM
To: Dave Lewis
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


Dave,

Thanks for your reply. In stating that "It's all the same knife" you are incorrect. I have been collecting Kershaw knives for quite some time now.

By definition of your description, having 13C26 steel means that it is a Mini Mojito, not a Mini Mojo. The Mojo came with 440A blade steel, while the Mini Mojito has 13C26 steel in the blade. The change over date was around mid 2007. There is a date stamp on the safety (integral with the flipper on the top of the handle). If this date stamp is AUG 07 or later it is a Mini Mojito, and therefore has the 13C26 blade. Anything prior to that date is a Mini Mojo, and has 440A blade steel.

Per your description, this is a Mini Mojito as your ad claims 13C26 Sandvik blade steel. When it arrives, I will check the date stamp, and if in fact it is 13C26, all is well. However, I do not want another 440A Mini Mojo, as I already have two. If you would like to check any remaining stock you may have for the proper date stamp for the 13C26 blade, I would appreciate it. If the knife arrives with a date stamp prior to August 2007, I will request a full refund, including shipping to me and enough to recover shipping back to you.

Please let me know how you wish to proceeded.

Thanks,

From: Dave Lewis
To: Bradley Sneed
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


We have tens of thousands of knives here, and we simply don't have the time to open individual boxes. All that matters is the stock number. If we sold a Kershaw 1800 (we did), and the box reads 1800 (it did), than that's all that matters. We get our specs directly from the manufacturer's catalogs and our factory reps. The information we used in this listing was provided to us in January, and we have since sold exactly 22 of this model, so if Kershaw is still shipping old versions that would be an issue to take up with Kershaw, not with us. Again, with the volume we ship (eBay is not our only sales venue), the notion of opening every box for inspection is preposterous, but thanks for telling us how to operate our business that has been running successfully for more than twice as long as eBay has existed.

All sales are final, as stated.


From: Bradley Sneed

Your description as Sandvik 13C26 is incorrect...I'm sure eBay will like to know this, as will all other prospective customers you might have...................read what you want.


Oh, and speaking with Kershaw, which I do a lot, they haven't shipped a Mojo since June of this year.

All sales are final, as are all feedbacks left.

From: Dave Lewis
To: Bradley Sneed
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


Suit yourself. The feedback door swings both ways.


From: Bradley Sneed
Sent: Dec 5, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Dave Lewis
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


Yeah, but I didn't intentionally mislead a buyer...


From: Dave Lewis
To: Bradley Sneed
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


Nor did we, and we object to you being such a jerk about it. Again, the information PROVIDED BY KERSHAW is what we used. You're making some pretty stupid accusations there without having all the facts, or by conveniently ignoring what we've told you.

Looks, it's real simple: We advertised an item exactly as it is described by the folks who made it. This is easily supported by the Kershaw catalog. We shipped the EXACT model number we advertised. Other than that, you're just looking for a fight, and we simply don't have time to waste these days.

Good luck, and please don't bother wasting our time anymore or shopping with us. Our office manager (who has even less tolerance for assholes than I do) is blocking you from our store.


From: Bradley Sneed
Sent: Dec 13, 2007 12:19 PM
To: Dave Lewis
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


OK jerk, If you sold 22 of these same knives this year, then why did my knife have a May 2005 date stamp on it? You claimed you went by the Kershaw catalogue, but there was NO Mini Mojito with 13C26 Sandvic steel in May of 2005. Hell, the Mojo wasn't released until April 2005. So IF you did in fact sell 22 of these " 13C26 Sandvik Mojitos" this year, then you've ripped off an additional 22 people with your fraudulent description.

By the way, I'm placing a Corvette on eBay...please bid on it. You'll get a '74 Vega instead...because a Chevy's a Chevy, right?

And don't worry about me coming back...or an additional 500 or so knife collectors/buyers that now know what a rip off you really are.

You are all a bunch of dumbass idiots...

From: Dave Lewis
To: Bradley Sneed
As I said, dipshit, we don't open the boxes, so if that's what Kershaw is shipping to us, then that's what Kershaw is shipping to us. It's really that simple.

Does your dad know you're using his computer? You DO know who your dad is, right? Or didn't your mother turn around and get a good look at him?


-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Sneed
Sent: Dec 13, 2007 3:25 PM
To: Dave Lewis
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, $ Kershaw Mini Mojito/Mojo knife G-10 Stud-Lock KS1800


Well, as I said you're a bunch of asshat idiots...BTW, I'm going to call my friend at Kershaw, and find out exactly what they've shipped to you.

And from someone that runs a successful business I think you could do better with your insults...you sound like the 13 year old e-thug...

Any why won't you pussy boys put your phone number on your invoice? I guess with all your fuck-ups, and time spent running across the state to your warehouse (yeah, right), you' wouldn't have time to answer them. Either that or you're hiking in the white mountains...I didn't know they had white mountains in Louisiana...

Oh well, I'm done with you...your eBay page and the current KS1800 rip-off offering you have advertised is on it's way to Virginia's Attorney General (who happens to be a relative of mine), the U S District Attorney (who is a friend of mine) and the U S Postmaster General (whom I don't know, but have a friend that's a local postmaster) for the start of an Interstate Fraud Investigation. You see, by shipping thru the U S Mail, you've also committed Mail Fraud. Your ass is toast. And your pockets aren't nearly as deep as mine.

And what the hell is the NCCA? You're a life member? Is it the National Christian Counselors Association, the National Commission for Certifying Agencies, or the National Child Care Association

Just for kicks, read this, since your panties are already bunched:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=516122

See ya in court, asshat!


Hi Brad

Sorry to hear of your unfortunate dealings with your EBay auction. EBay certainly has become a gamble over the years.

With regards to Classic Cutlery, this is not a business that we have currently set up direct here at Kershaw Knives. I am not familiar with who they are, or their business practices. No doubt they buy through a wholesale distributor for product.



The 1800 Mini Mojito is current production, and our inventory is long past May 2005. There can be “old new” stock out on the market, but it would be knives that we have shipped long ago. It is regrettable that there are dealers out misrepresenting the steel used with certain models, but the changeover we have had from 440A to 13C26 has been tough to deal with. Unless a dealer is following closely with spec’s of a certain manufacturer it could be that they simply are unaware of changes that take place.

Now I haven’t seen your correspondence to each other prior to what you quoted me, but that is no way to talk to anyone, let alone a customer.

It sounds like you are already aware, but we did change steel on the 1800 from 440A to 13C26 in July of 2007. The “born on date” will be the indicator of what material the blade steel is made from. The May 2005 version that you received is in fact 440A blade steel.

Well I hope all this is helpful, and good luck with this auction.



Happy Holidays.

Thomas Welk

National Sales Manager - Kai USA

Kershaw Knives, Shun, Zero Tolerance

18600 SW Teton Ave

Tualatin OR 97062

503-682-1966

503-682-7168 Fax
 
DaveH said:
Hi Dave from Classic Cutlery,

Just a quick question from me, you state in your policy that you may sell items that you don't have in stock. Is that allowed by ebay policies? Just curious. Thanks.

Oh and also you haven't addressed the discrepency between knife steels.
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The policy that I quoted in this thread was not from Classic Cutlery. I did not state that in the earlier threads, only that this company was selling knives on eBay.

GB
 
I stick with AG Russell, Kellam,Arizona Custom, Ragnar, John and Chris Smith, Kopromed, etc. I don't get ripped off. Buying at a knife store is also not a bad option. New Graham, has been recommended. Let's hear about some good guys.
 
What a joke! I can't believe that people find this is an acceptable way to run a business. I will add this company to the growing list of companies that I will never do business with. Please keep us informed as to the outcome of this situation.

Condescending, arrogant and an ASSHOLE!
 
Dave@ClassicCutlery said:
Naturally, the forum participant who posted this accusation could not know this, but ignorance isn't an excuse for bashing someone without the facts.

Dave Lewis
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There was some confusion on that, so thanks for clearing that up.

On the more pressing note, I took a little stroll through your feedbacks today, and while yes you have piled up quite a few, I see that just like here, you have a well documented record of nasty attacks in response to transaction issues.

Which is plenty of reason to avoid doing business with you, so Happy Holidays and let us know how mouthing off to a forum full of knife collectors, works out for a knife seller........ :)
 
After reading that correspondence, I'd say Classic Cuntlery deserves a Merry Scrooge from all of us here at BF:D


ooops, oh no, ...I used an emoticon.. help...I"m an imbecile...please....don't flog me....
 
Jaxx said:
Hahahahahahaha!!!! ROTFLMAO!!! VERY excellent translation indeed!! Thanks for the laugh, Gerberblades, well done!! :D:thumbup::thumbup:

Sorry for your troubles, SPXTrader, I hope that you get a full refund.
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Thanks, Jaxx. You're welcome. I'm really glad that they posted their policy online. I would have hated for someone to have driven across the State of Louisiana to get my knife from their warehouse. You know, all of those emissions and with global warming and all.

GB
 
Gentlebeings, there are plenty of threads on Pioneer Valley Knives and other threads on other dealers on this forum, and if you feel there aren't enough you can start a new one. Don't try to hijack this thread. This thread is about Classiccutleryusa.
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