I'm Making My First Knife/WIP

So without taking care of you equipment, like a gun or a knife it rusts without proper care if it is made out of steel. I hear people putting gun oil, cooking oil, and bees wax on their knife blades to care and protect the blade from rust. I have used some stuff from Woodcraft before that you put on your blade tools to help with rust and cleaning.

I was wondering what you use on your non stainless steel blades ( O-1, A-2 etc?) to protect them?
 
Gotcha!

I use Renaissance wax, which many consider the best blade treatment. It is pricey, but a small can will last the normal user a lifetime. Rub a light coat on the whole knife, handle and all. Keep the cloth you use in a Zip-Lok bag as it will become impregnated, and can be used without more wax being applied. I wipe down the knives at a show regularly with just the cloth. It does smell of silicone when you put it on, but it goes away soon.

Also, Don't store a knife in the sheath. It will rust and can end up severely pitted. Store it in a knife case, with the sheath strapped to the outside. Most knife suppliers sell cases with sheath straps.
 
I didn't know you weren't suppose to store you knives in the sheaths. Why do they become pitted in the sheath?
 
Stacy, I wonder what a standard fee is for the kit you put together for weatherman? I also just got my first blade blank in the mail and am beginning the finishing process and I have been looking for someone who can custom cut a design I come up with. I've never done scales or anything else so I have been watching this thread closely. Any suggestions on the process of attaching the scales and drilling the holes so that mosaic pins will fit and the scales will line up evenly?
 
I believe the process for the scales goes like this:

You have the blade cut out of your material.

When planning the design you should have where you want the pins or bolts to go. The bolts or pins should be the same diameter as the wholes that you will be drilling into the tang. Take your bland and trace the outline on the scale material and cut the scales out. You should probably cut the scale out to be just a tad bigger than the tang/handle so that you can fit the scales perfectly by sanding to the outline.

Once you are ready to actually do the scales (after HT) you would match everything up correctly. Plan out the way you want the handle to look and feel thickness wise and the contours of the handles. Use some kind of glue like JB weld to help secure the scales to the tang. Put the pins or bolt in securely. And sand and shape the scales to the wanted design and thickness. The pins and bolts get sanded with the scales and then they match to the contour of the handle.
 
There is a sticky at the top of the Shop Talk page that deals with those things.

I don't sell the kits, they are something I do from time to time to get people started.


The salts in leather will leach out and corrode the blade. There was a thread about this recently.
 
Got it...sorry I guess I should have checked the stickies first but this site is so big sometimes I get a little lost...:D
 
I believe the process for the scales goes like this:

You have the blade cut out of your material.

When planning the design you should have where you want the pins or bolts to go. The bolts or pins should be the same diameter as the wholes that you will be drilling into the tang. Take your bland and trace the outline on the scale material and cut the scales out. You should probably cut the scale out to be just a tad bigger than the tang/handle so that you can fit the scales perfectly by sanding to the outline.

Once you are ready to actually do the scales (after HT) you would match everything up correctly. Plan out the way you want the handle to look and feel thickness wise and the contours of the handles. Use some kind of glue like JB weld to help secure the scales to the tang. Put the pins or bolt in securely. And sand and shape the scales to the wanted design and thickness. The pins and bolts get sanded with the scales and then they match to the contour of the handle.

Actually with Corby's it's better to make the holes in the tang a bit bigger this way you can do some fine tuning last minute if you want to. Pins you basically need to be exact. Since Corby's snug up against the scales the part that actually runs through the tang doesn't need to be the exact size, as long as it's not smaller :D. A slow curing epoxy is preferred, not really JB weld as it's something that cures clear is more desirable. Acraglass is probably the most popular among makers as it doesn't shrink and has a long standing reputation among makers.
 
Hey Stacy, I got box today. I am going through it and I started reading the instructions.

One question that I have is when I start filing which file do I use first and so on?

Pictures and comments are on the way. I have to get set up in my work shop to do it. I have been running around trying to get some supplies for a big project for work so it might be next week when I can start.
 
Start with the coarse file. Aftersshaping the profile ( if needed), and filing both sides to and edge about the thickness of a nickel, switch to the fine file. Then go to the sanding block and sand paper. Once you have sanded the blade to 400 grit, it should have an edge about .030-.040", or a tad less than the thickness of a dime.
 
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The gear for the knife
 
Can't wait to see this one completed! You definately got a good start! Stacy, that was an awesome thing for you to do, I applaud you!!!
 
Time to get started.
There are a few things to get straight before you start.
First, get the mindset that this is a precision project. It isn't like cutting the lawn where you can leave a little off here and there, and get the back yard next week. It is done from start to finish as one continuous process. While there is no need to be anal about your work, you should pay close attention to detail and double check things before moving on to a next step. If the knife ends up a quality job, but a bit smaller than planned because you re-ground the edge that is preferable to a mediocre knife with the original dimensions.

WORK SLOW, THINK AHEAD, HAVE FUN,TAKE BREAKS

The Red Rule is;
You can always take more off, but can never put any back on !


The biggest problem encountered by new makers (and the old,too) is forgetting to think ahead to future steps. If you fail to drill the bolt holes before HT, don't sand the front of the scales before mounting, or file/sand away the centerline before the blade is done with shaping....it will come back to haunt you later. Think the process through from beginning to end ( re-read all the instruction sheets) before putting a file to the steel.
The cardinal rule of auto repair is - you need to know how you are installing the last bolt before you take the first one out.

First we need to flatten the tang. It should be pretty flat as is, but run the fine file over it to assure there is no flash around the holes. If all is flat, take a few strokes with the fine file to make a smooth flat surface at the ricasso. The rest of the tang is not a concern now, as long as it is flat. We will sand this whole area later.

The next task is to position the front of the handle where you want it. I preshaped the front to leave a bit for you to shape it more if you wish.
Place the scales in place with the bolts and tube and mark the Micarta with a pencil ( don't mark with a sharpie or it may stain the handle.). Then remove the scales and re-assemble them off the handle, using the bolts and tube, with tape or a clamp keeping them firmly together. Shape the front to the mark, and sand to 800 grit. Round the front up to the sides a bit. This all needs to be done to establish the transition from handle to blade and because you can't finish the handle front once the scales are glued up later on.

After the front of the scales area is sanded, put them back on the blade. Take your trusty pencil and mark the steel where the handle ends. Remove the handle and set aside. Re-mark the steel with a sharpie to show where the handle will end. I often blacken the entire tang so all I see is the blade steel area. This helps keep your eye focused only on the blade area while filing.

OK, now we are ready to get started on the filing.
Mark the place where the plunge line will be. It should normally be 1/8" to 1/4" from the edge end. Use a sharpie and a straight edge to mark this line on both sides...making sure they are even from side to side. If needed, erase a line with a towel dampened with acetone, being careful not to erase the handle area marking.



DISTAL TAPER

Distal taper is the gradual thinning of the thickness of the blade from ricasso to tip. Normally it is thinned to 1/2 the ricasso thickness. In some cases, on a delicate slicer, it can thin to 10% of the ricasso. Distal taper makes the blade cut better, weigh less, and look better. Without it, the knife often looks like a sharpened bar of steel.

To file the distal taper, check that the spine has a reference mark down the center. If not, scribe it now. Start about 1/4" in front of the plunge line and flat file the blade toward the tip. Flip the blades often and check the spine and edge centerlines to see that you are evenly tapering the blade. When the tip end is 60% of the ricasso,switch to the medium file. When it is 50%, that is when you stop. If the surface looks rough, take a few strokes with the medium and fine files to make it smoother. It will end up thinner by the time we are done, so don't go too far now.
Once you gain some skill, you may file the bevel and taper at the same time, but do them separate on this project.

Time to start the bevels.
Place the coarse file a bit in front of the plunge line and start filing the bevels. The best choice for your knife will be a full flat grind, which means the bevels will go from edge to spine. File slowly, letting the bevels rise toward the spine. As you file the bevels in, the cut will slowly move back to the plunge line. Don't try and get there too soon.
Don't go all the way up tom the spine or the plunge yet ! You will still be doing a lot more filing and sanding. See Red Rule .
Flip the blade often, checking that the edge is staying centered and straight. When it is getting an edge of about .050-.060", switch to the medium file. At this point the bevels should be around 1/8" from the spine. When the edge gets to .040-050" switch to the fine and clean up any marks. The edge should be about .040" now, and go right up to the spine. If the edge is a bit thinner ( which is likely) don't panic. You just don't want a sharp edge yet. It can be filed back a tad if too thin. If the plunge runs too far into the spine, that can be taken care of by sanding down the ricasso later.

Check everything several times.....
Edge straight?
Bevels flat?
Ricasso flat?
Everything look good when the scales are in place?


If so, the blade is ready for sanding. We will detail that step when you are there.
 
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Can I add a little tip speaking from experience, Think about what you are doing. I find my self focusing on one thing and forget about safety. You are working with hand tools to the risk factor is a bit lower than using high speed machinery but I usually get cut in the finishing part of the knife project. You have a better start than most, hit the ground running. I am nominating bladsmth as BF'er of the year!
 
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The gear for the knife

:eek: you got a handle for your files you lucky dog:eek:

I didn't even think of buying handles for my files when I made my first knife shaped object and I paid for it:o For my first real knife I made a file jig that held the files.

This is going to be a good WIP to follow and really shows how good the people that congregate here really are, your first knife is going to be great, listen to Stacy do what he says and ask questions for anything you are unsure of.
 
Stacy, It is awesome what you are doing here. I am just starting on my first knives and I am doing them by hand as well. Having someone like you to help new knife makers is priceless. It's just like the "know how" that gets passed down from a Dad or Grandpa...normally people don't take the time or interest in people to pass it on in that manner. Thank you

Weatherman, best of luck and happy grinding:)
 
When the last project like this was done by Fletch helical ( Matt), there were many following along and doing it as it was presented.
Matt was somewhat overly obsessive about getting every detail perfect, but he made a vrey nice knife once he calmed down.:D
 
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Ryan,
That has already been dealt with earlier, in post #39. I went into detail about the need for a safe and undisturbed work area.

If you ( or any other new maker) hasn't read the main tutorial, it is the first sticky.
 
Ok after reading the posts and then the instructions that you sent me Stacy, I need some clarification. I see all the different steps placed out and some in order and sometimes not in order with a few details missing and I want to make sure that I am in the right "mind set/understanding" so I do it right the first time.

1. Make sure that the tang is flat and the ricasso is flat.

1.5 - Make sure that the front of the handle is where I want it. Attach the scales to the knife and then mark where they need to be. This would shorten the handle to the place on the tang that I want it? Not shape the micarta?

2.Shape the Distal Taper. The thinest part is at the tip and that measurement would be 1/16"?

3. Shape the Bevel. By shaping the Bevels start from the edge and file towards the spine. That will make sure that the spine is ~1/8" when done. When shaping the bevel do a little on one side and then flip it over.

3.5 - I have 3 files. Two of the files are #2 and one file is a #0. The bigger the number the the finer. I can't tell the difference by feel on the two files that are a #2, but one is flat on the back and one is rounded. So start with the #0 then switch to the #2? Which makes sense but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a difference between the #2s

Some times its hard keeping track of the little details in the directions and the posts, sorry.
 
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