Introducing the "CKCA" (Custom Knife Collector’s Association)

Just signed up! :)


Looking forward to this taking off. It's nice to see you guys all working hard to make it happen.

GREAT Logo STeven!

Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help :)
 
I joined the group today and made my first visit to the web site. It is going to be a very interesting place to spend some time, and the work that has gone on there in this short period is amazing and gratifying. My personal thanks to Kevin and all the rest of the set up commitee for all the hard and long work they have done.

Paul
 
I haven't been active online of late, life sometimes interferes with entertainment. Anyway, I just joined the CKCA and I look forward to seeing some of you in Atlanta!
Best regards,
Steve
 
Kohai999 said:
This is the second paragraph from the Forums page:


"CKCA members will have full access to the forums. New members must first setup their forum profiles using their full names. This name must match the name submitted with the registration form. Once payment is verified and the new member has created his/her forum profile, all restrictions will be removed. Non-members and guests, you will have read only access to the forum. "

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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I would like to see what others feel about the full name usage in the Forum (particularly for collectors). I am hesitant to participate in a collector forum where we discuss our valuable collections, often have our location listed in the preferences and with our FULL NAME. All someone has to do is a quick Google search and they know way too much about you. Sooner or later you end up having a "what do you store your knives in" discussion. It just feels risky.
I understand the wish that we keep a civil discussion and names can help that civility. But we are paid members (yes, I paid and am a member) participating in moderated forums - it can't be too hard to control the discussion. I'm also not suggesting highly cryptic or rude names. Just enough alteration that you won't come up in a Google search.

Is that overly paranoid? I'd be interested in hearing some opinions, mostly if I'm being too conservative. A couple of emails with Kevin have helped some with my understanding but I'd like to hear other opinions.
 
I like the broad concept; a new knife collectors organization is something we really do need. But, I have to say this:

I attended the presentation at Bladeshow and have poked around on the website a bit and I have one overwhelming impression: While some say, "we are open to forged and stockremoval custom knives, regardless whether it's bowies, hunters, folders or art knives," virtually all of the knives shown at the presentation and on the website are traditionally-styled, fixed-blade knives and most of the names I recognize among the leadership are folks I associate with traditionally-styled and/or fixed-blade knives. While they seem to be somewhat aware that there might be other kinds of things that some people call "knives," the presentation and the website send a clear message about how these folks define knife in their own mind. For a group that wants to promote itself as "the big tent," they seem to have gone out of their way to exclude everyone except the big-bowie crowd.

At the Bladeshow presentation, they talked a lot about detailed rules, some about vague goals, but didn't seem to have any specific plans.

I'm not, at this time, inclined to give money to fund an effort to clearly and exactly define the difference between "knife collector" and "knife dealer."

Sorry. Maybe it will develop over time. Or maybe they'll learn to more effectively communicate their message.
 
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Gollnick said:
I like the broad concept; a new knife collectors organization is something we really do need. But, I have to say this:

I attended the presentation at Bladeshow and have poked around on the website a bit and I have one overwhelming impression: While some say, "we are open to forged and stockremoval custom knives, regardless whether it's bowies, hunters, folders or art knives," virtually all of the knives shown at the presentation and on the website are traditionally-styled, fixed-blade knives and most of the names I recognize among the leadership are folks I associate with traditionally-styled and/or fixed-blade knives. While they seem to be somewhat aware that there might be other kinds of things that some people call "knives," the presentation and the website send a clear message about how these folks define knife in their own mind. For a group that wants to promote itself as "the big tent," they seem to have gone out of their way to exclude everyone except the big-bowie crowd.

Actually, we have not in any way excluded anyone. In fact we have openly invited collectors and makers of all styles/types of knives to join us. However if many share your attitude and condemn us before given a chance, then perhaps we will become limited and that will in deed be a shame.

At the Bladeshow presentation, they talked a lot about detailed rules, some about vague goals, but didn't seem to have any specific plans.
How much more detail do you think I could have possibly covered in one hour? We went over our alloted time as it was. I do wish you would have asked more questions though if you felt I was not specific enough in certain areas. I had planned for a Q&A at the end, however as you know time ran out. We could have easily filled a two hour slot, however did not have that option.

I'm not, at this time, inclined to give money to fund an effort to clearly and exactly define the difference between "knife collector" and "knife dealer."
Some are concerned that a knife collector's association has dealer and maker members, so the above was directed at helping those folks realize the association will in fact be controlled by it's collector members.

Sorry. Maybe it will develop over time. Or maybe they'll learn to more effectively communicate their message.
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The many membership applications and discussions we have had indicate others left uplifted and with a very good understanding as to what we are about and what we are to accomplishment. By the way, balisongs and their collectors are very much welcome even though none are present in our promotional graphics . Thank you for attending our seminar.
 
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Guys,
This is a new organization..... NEW..... We dont, as of yet, have a representation of some styles of knives even though we have made it known that the CKCA is promoting unity in the knife community and all are welcome. It's time for you guys that favor balisongs, tacticals, and others to step up and REPRESENT.
It's only reasonable that in it's infancy the CKCA will represent collections of it's core members. As members come in , this will broaden. The membership more than doubled at the 2008 Blade Show. Think of what you'll be seeing as other styles along with photos and discussions come in. :thumbup:

The structure and opportunity is here in form of the CKCA. Take advantage of it.
Lin:)
 
Gollnick said:
.........For a group that wants to promote itself as "the big tent," they seem to have gone out of their way to exclude everyone except the big-bowie crowd..........
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My good friend, Jerry Rados, sat next to me in the meeting and is a new member.
What he makes is posted here, and it is NOT a knife for the "big bowie crowd"!
Only by people like you and Jerry joining can the organization become what you would like to see.
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LongRifle said:
I'm honored to be on board!

Matt
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Unfortunately, in our litigious society, every organization has to have an shyster on call just in case:p:D Just kidding...lol. My membership dues will be on the way shortly:thumbup:
 
Barty said:
I would like to see what others feel about the full name usage in the Forum (particularly for collectors). I am hesitant to participate in a collector forum where we discuss our valuable collections, often have our location listed in the preferences and with our FULL NAME. All someone has to do is a quick Google search and they know way too much about you. Sooner or later you end up having a "what do you store your knives in" discussion. It just feels risky.
I understand the wish that we keep a civil discussion and names can help that civility. But we are paid members (yes, I paid and am a member) participating in moderated forums - it can't be too hard to control the discussion. I'm also not suggesting highly cryptic or rude names. Just enough alteration that you won't come up in a Google search.

Is that overly paranoid? I'd be interested in hearing some opinions, mostly if I'm being too conservative. A couple of emails with Kevin have helped some with my understanding but I'd like to hear other opinions.
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I agree,
Google knows way too much. First initial, Last name or last name only should be acceptable I think. But hey, I am not a member yet, so who cares ;)
 
Gollnick said:
For a group that wants to promote itself as "the big tent," they seem to have gone out of their way to exclude everyone except the big-bowie crowd.
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I wasn't at the presentation (on my way to the airport at the time) so I can't comment on what was said. But what I have seen so far in every other venue - forum discussions, web site, talks with individual members - is an organization going out of its way to send a clear message of inclusion.

To simply look at the founding group of members and say "These are all forged blade guys, so this is clearly a forged blade only organization" is overly simplistic and very much a mischaracterization of the group as a whole.

Roger
 
I'm a Charter Member, and forged knives in general are a minority in my collection.

If images of tactical and stock removal knives are wished for the website, please draw on me.

Coop
 
Gollnick said:
While some say, "we are open to forged and stockremoval custom knives, regardless whether it's bowies, hunters, folders or art knives," virtually all of the knives shown at the presentation and on the website are traditionally-styled, fixed-blade knives and most of the names I recognize among the leadership are folks I associate with traditionally-styled and/or fixed-blade knives.

At the Bladeshow presentation, they talked a lot about detailed rules, some about vague goals, but didn't seem to have any specific plans.

I'm not, at this time, inclined to give money to fund an effort to clearly and exactly define the difference between "knife collector" and "knife dealer.
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Now I am a bit hurt and miffed, Chuck.....what part of "You can have your own balisong forum, and moderate it" was forged knife oriented? Was it because you were showing me an Audra Draper bali at the time?;) Come on, you are a smart guy....there is a space for everyone at the table...what we focus on at this point is what our VOLUNTEERS and members have offered or are interested in....roll up your sleeves and join us...you actively promote the KnifeRights organization, and they are not NEARLY as pro-active or forward moving at this point as we are, as they are overtaxed with just a few people doing the heavy lifting...we are trying to space the work out evenly and fairly.

Steven Rapp and Tanya/Todd Begg signed up as members of the CKCA...they are both fairly involved in stock removal, right?

Infrastructure is important, and that is what the meeting got bogged down in....can you not see the forest through the trees?

I am personally not opposed to someone signing up for the CKCA, and changing their member name to an initial, but that is up to the membership commitee, of which I am a part of...we will address this in upcoming discussions, but real name usage is a big accountability issue for us.....people MUST behave like adults on the CKCA Forum, and hiding behind some stupid screen name is a big problem, because you can say whatever you want, and hide when the storm riles up behind it.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
As I said, I have heard a lot of talk about inclusion, but I see a different message. There is a disconnection which gives me some pause. There's an old adage about the relative merits of actions vs. words.

I also have a bit of a concern about pointing out an obvious disconnection and then being slammed for doing so. That only raises more questions in my mind over whether this disconnection is just a lapse or if it is symptomatic of something more structural.

Please understand, as I prefaced my post, I support the idea of such an organization in principle and would love to support and be involved in such an organization just as I have very actively supported and been involved with Kniferights. But, I do see this disconnection and it raises concerns for me.

And then there's the issue I also expressed and which has been ignored thus far which is the apparent lack of any plans to accomplish goals. The presentation on Sunday was long -- painfully so in some places -- on details such as how board members will choose subcommittee members and etc., but quite vague on plans to actually address the group's major missions. I know, I know: it's all very new. But there should still be, IMHO, some fraction of the thought might have been given to that.
 
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