so alot to be said for hording kit then
wonder what the exchange rate would be for a RC
-
The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
Price is$300$250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
Order here: https://www.bladeforums.com/help/2024-traditional/ - Order as many as you like, we have plenty.
Is there a difference between "survival" and "survivalist" training?
- Thread starter oruacat2
- Start date
so alot to be said for hording kit then
wonder what the exchange rate would be for a RC
R.A.T.
Randall's Adventure & Training
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2004
- Messages
- 10,400
so alot to be said for hording kit then
wonder what the exchange rate would be for a RC
I wouldn't be storing survival kit stuff as much as I would stuff to eat, tools to build and fix things, etc.
Thanks for all the interesting responses.
I am particularly intrigued by this one:
Just getting back to a simple life and not feeding the machine, not buying more STUFF.
What do you really need to survive? That is the question!
Are you a follower and have to have the same car, house, clothes, fancy cell phones, etc. that all your peers have just to have the image of "being successful, or rich in the eyes of the world".
Those people don't own anything, they are making minimum payments on their "stuff", in the end, most people stuff owns them
I'm a regular reader/sometimes poster at a couple of forums - this one, one for SIG556 owners, another for AR owners, and yet another for Springfield XD owners, and one thing that immediately jumped out is that few groups "buy more STUFF" than these folks. lol I love my SIG556 - but do I need one of every single variant/model? I'm a big fan of my XD40 - but do I really need it in 9mm, .45cal, and .40cal, in both the full-size and compact models? I think my RC-4 is probably the best knife ever made - but do I plan on buying the RC-3, RC-5, RC-6, Izula, HEST, Junglas Machete, etc etc? Yet, peruse these forums for more than a couple of days and you see that many participants do just that. I have no problem with it - to each his own, and everyone is certainly free to spend their money as they see fit, BUT is there a point where commonsense preparedness crosses over into borderline fetish/wishful thinking? I don't see this grand liberal media conspiracy to taint the word "survivalist", but I have known some people over the years who take it to such a high level that they seem downright disappointed when the proverbial shit does NOT hit the fan. I'm 42 years old, and I saw these people during the Cold War/Reagan years in the 1980s, during the Clinton tenure in the 90s, on the eve of the impending Y2K "disaster", and I'm seeing them nowadays as well. I can only imagine what this 2012 nonsense will spawn.
I fear there are those out there who WANT the chance to prove themselves, who crave the crash of society so they can put all that "hoarding kits", training, and fancy equipment to use. I read posts on these firearms forums about self-defense and shooting looters and I can envision the authors' eyes glazing-over as they put daydream to paper.
I wouldn't go so far as to call myself an "outdoorsman", but I love to backpack and canoe, and I like to be prepared when I venture into the wilds. There's no such thing as too much knowledge IMO, but there is a mindset out there that scares the beejeezus out of me. I have a small amount of survival gear that I pray I NEVER have to use. There's that old adage: hope for the best, but prepare for the worst - wise words to live by, but I worry about those who seem have it backwards, whose preparations for the worst leads them to hope for the same.
Again, thanks for the thought-provoking conversation!
KD
I am particularly intrigued by this one:
Just getting back to a simple life and not feeding the machine, not buying more STUFF.
What do you really need to survive? That is the question!
Are you a follower and have to have the same car, house, clothes, fancy cell phones, etc. that all your peers have just to have the image of "being successful, or rich in the eyes of the world".
Those people don't own anything, they are making minimum payments on their "stuff", in the end, most people stuff owns them
I'm a regular reader/sometimes poster at a couple of forums - this one, one for SIG556 owners, another for AR owners, and yet another for Springfield XD owners, and one thing that immediately jumped out is that few groups "buy more STUFF" than these folks. lol I love my SIG556 - but do I need one of every single variant/model? I'm a big fan of my XD40 - but do I really need it in 9mm, .45cal, and .40cal, in both the full-size and compact models? I think my RC-4 is probably the best knife ever made - but do I plan on buying the RC-3, RC-5, RC-6, Izula, HEST, Junglas Machete, etc etc? Yet, peruse these forums for more than a couple of days and you see that many participants do just that. I have no problem with it - to each his own, and everyone is certainly free to spend their money as they see fit, BUT is there a point where commonsense preparedness crosses over into borderline fetish/wishful thinking? I don't see this grand liberal media conspiracy to taint the word "survivalist", but I have known some people over the years who take it to such a high level that they seem downright disappointed when the proverbial shit does NOT hit the fan. I'm 42 years old, and I saw these people during the Cold War/Reagan years in the 1980s, during the Clinton tenure in the 90s, on the eve of the impending Y2K "disaster", and I'm seeing them nowadays as well. I can only imagine what this 2012 nonsense will spawn.
I fear there are those out there who WANT the chance to prove themselves, who crave the crash of society so they can put all that "hoarding kits", training, and fancy equipment to use. I read posts on these firearms forums about self-defense and shooting looters and I can envision the authors' eyes glazing-over as they put daydream to paper. I wouldn't go so far as to call myself an "outdoorsman", but I love to backpack and canoe, and I like to be prepared when I venture into the wilds. There's no such thing as too much knowledge IMO, but there is a mindset out there that scares the beejeezus out of me. I have a small amount of survival gear that I pray I NEVER have to use. There's that old adage: hope for the best, but prepare for the worst - wise words to live by, but I worry about those who seem have it backwards, whose preparations for the worst leads them to hope for the same.
Again, thanks for the thought-provoking conversation!
KD
- Joined
- May 14, 2008
- Messages
- 1,118
You're combining two seemingly related but different things. Those who collect knives and those who wish for disaster so they can be "right".
I don't own an AR15, am I going to regret it? I would like one, but only because I think they're cool, not because I think I need one.
I only need one knife for my outdoor activities, but I collect knives because they're "cool" and give me some joy.
At the same time, I'm not waiting for someone to break into my house so I can shoot them or for Cubans to parachute into my back yard so Patrick Swayze and I can live in the woods. (Should I have said "Jennifer Grey"? Sorry.)
Everyone has a hobby, not just the obsessed.
I don't own an AR15, am I going to regret it? I would like one, but only because I think they're cool, not because I think I need one.
I only need one knife for my outdoor activities, but I collect knives because they're "cool" and give me some joy.
At the same time, I'm not waiting for someone to break into my house so I can shoot them or for Cubans to parachute into my back yard so Patrick Swayze and I can live in the woods. (Should I have said "Jennifer Grey"? Sorry.)
Everyone has a hobby, not just the obsessed.
Oh, I agree Joe, and I wasn't trying to single you out.
But, surely you agree that these folks exist?
What's really funny about your response is that it's almost verbatim to one that I had with my brother a few months back, right down to the "Red Dawn" reference, which I refer to as "survivalist porn". lol
But, surely you agree that these folks exist?
What's really funny about your response is that it's almost verbatim to one that I had with my brother a few months back, right down to the "Red Dawn" reference, which I refer to as "survivalist porn". lol
- Joined
- May 14, 2008
- Messages
- 1,118
No sweat bro, I didn't feel singled out (or offended
), I just wanted to know where you were coming from and it looked like two different places.And yes, Red Dawn is "survivalist porn"!
- Joined
- Oct 8, 1998
- Messages
- 8,917
Don't get caught up in all of the baggage, just take the language back. That's the most important thing of all. The OP asked the question: "Is there a difference between 'survival' and 'survivalist' training?" and the answer to that is no unless you want to start sub-categorizing the various types of "survivalists."
If you live in Southern California, it would seem that beyond day to day self-defense measures, you would best be served by preparing for:
1. Earthquakes
2. Wildfires
3. Mudslides
#1 Can touch anyone there, #2 and #3 are concerns in specific areas.
There are so many things to consider.
"Survivalist" training to some people might mean preparing for some type of event like a nuclear exchange between countries. Is it "crazy" to prepare for such a thing? Between the U.S., Former Soviet Union and China, there were/are tens of thousands of nuclear warheads...I mean...ignoring them seems pretty foolish on one level...they do exist but some people treat that as if it were all a lie and these things never really existed...don't exist.
Some would say it was "crazy" because you cannot prepare for it.
Other people would say it was "crazy" because you wouldn't want to live through it anyway.
This whole country has been geared for fear for a long, long time. September 11, 2001 and Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Ivan should have taught everyone something very important. Both manmade disasters and natural disasters can kill hundreds and perhaps thousands in just an hour or so, or over the course of a few days.
To me, "survivalism" is just being able to take care of yourself. "Survivalism" is staying out of a FEMA trailer and out of the Superdome or anything like the Superdome.
If you live in Southern California, it would seem that beyond day to day self-defense measures, you would best be served by preparing for:
1. Earthquakes
2. Wildfires
3. Mudslides
#1 Can touch anyone there, #2 and #3 are concerns in specific areas.
There are so many things to consider.
"Survivalist" training to some people might mean preparing for some type of event like a nuclear exchange between countries. Is it "crazy" to prepare for such a thing? Between the U.S., Former Soviet Union and China, there were/are tens of thousands of nuclear warheads...I mean...ignoring them seems pretty foolish on one level...they do exist but some people treat that as if it were all a lie and these things never really existed...don't exist.
Some would say it was "crazy" because you cannot prepare for it.
Other people would say it was "crazy" because you wouldn't want to live through it anyway.
This whole country has been geared for fear for a long, long time. September 11, 2001 and Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Ivan should have taught everyone something very important. Both manmade disasters and natural disasters can kill hundreds and perhaps thousands in just an hour or so, or over the course of a few days.
To me, "survivalism" is just being able to take care of yourself. "Survivalism" is staying out of a FEMA trailer and out of the Superdome or anything like the Superdome.
- Joined
- Oct 8, 1998
- Messages
- 8,917
Great, "Red Dawn of The Dead," a zombie movie, not only is he dead, he's been cremated! What are we gonna do now?
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2005
- Messages
- 4,363
That's the survivalism I am talking about. I am too old to do half the things I used to do, and I darn sure couldn't do the Amazon trip and keep up. But Lord just keep me out of the FEMA trailers or camps.
Great, "Red Dawn of The Dead," a zombie movie, not only is he dead, he's been cremated! What are we gonna do now?
Just don't try to back "Baby" into a corner, 'cause NOBODY does that.
- Joined
- Oct 8, 1998
- Messages
- 8,917
Horn Dog,
Like I said in the first post I made in this thread, the very fact that you think that way is a no-no to the control freaks. You can call what you do anything you want to, people can say they are a "prepper" or as one person suggested on BFC over a year ago...a preparedness monkey. :jerkit:
All of that dancing around the basic truth that being able to survive is now a "bad thing" because of the lunatics in society.
Like I said in the first post I made in this thread, the very fact that you think that way is a no-no to the control freaks. You can call what you do anything you want to, people can say they are a "prepper" or as one person suggested on BFC over a year ago...a preparedness monkey. :jerkit:
All of that dancing around the basic truth that being able to survive is now a "bad thing" because of the lunatics in society.
I mostly agree with you, except, when did "government assistance" get all wrapped-up in the idea of simple self-reliance? Is that the difference - "survivalist" implies a political element whereas "survival" does not? If that's the case, then it's not the media painting this picture, it's the "survivalists" themselves.
KD
Simple semantics, or just differences in how individuals' brains are wired?
When I think "survival", I think about "what would I do if I sprain my ankle while backpacking?"; "what if I flip my canoe and lose some gear?"; "how do I avoid getting lost, but what do I do if it happens anyway?"; or, "I'll be driving through a snowy mountain pass, maybe I should throw a sleeping bag and some other basic equipment that I wouldn't ordinarily carry into the back of my Jeep just in case I break down or slide off the road and get stuck". Some "what if?" gear and the know-how to use it - that's what I think of when someone says "survival training".
I don't think about hoarding gold in case the economy collapses, canned goods in case of natural disaster, or ammunition for man-made catastrophes. Maybe I should, but I just don't.
Fun discussion - the OP who asked that first question, he's a damn genius, eh? lol
KD
When I think "survival", I think about "what would I do if I sprain my ankle while backpacking?"; "what if I flip my canoe and lose some gear?"; "how do I avoid getting lost, but what do I do if it happens anyway?"; or, "I'll be driving through a snowy mountain pass, maybe I should throw a sleeping bag and some other basic equipment that I wouldn't ordinarily carry into the back of my Jeep just in case I break down or slide off the road and get stuck". Some "what if?" gear and the know-how to use it - that's what I think of when someone says "survival training".
I don't think about hoarding gold in case the economy collapses, canned goods in case of natural disaster, or ammunition for man-made catastrophes. Maybe I should, but I just don't.
Fun discussion - the OP who asked that first question, he's a damn genius, eh? lol
KD
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2005
- Messages
- 4,363
Survival is natural instinct. But it seems that government education blunts that natural common sense and situational awareness. I first noticed this on college campuses in the 1970s. Herds of students would just walk right out into the road, like cattle, not even checking for traffic. Now it has filtered all the way down to middle school (Newspeak for Jr High). Which is why we take our young ones into the wilderness to de-educate them.
- Joined
- Nov 8, 2006
- Messages
- 1,481
I agree.
As for gold and silver...if things hit rock bottom things like tools, fuel, food etc will be on everyones "to get" list. A handfull of nails or batteries might be worth more than a handfull of gold to many people.
And back to the original topic of this thread; I see survival/survivalism/survivalists these days as accepting the fact that "everyday life" can change at any time..either for a short time or a long time. After that it's just a matter of picking up skills and knowledge about "alternative living" I guess.