Is there a difference between "survival" and "survivalist" training?

This is what I love about this forum, where we can all learn from each other.

I am 43, seen the same things as oruacat2.

We should all be prepared to a point. 3-6 months worth of food is not really all that much, what if you get laid off, then you will be happy you had that food.

A long time ago farmers canned literally 100's of cans to make it though the winter, some even more to be prepared against crop failure or loss due to weather.

You don't have to be a survivalist to be prepared, call it proactive thinking, but in the times we live in, you should be prepared. Even the government is now telling people to have food and water stored up for emergencies.

People are amazing, I did some volunteer work for the Red Cross during the Katrina.
In a small town close to where I live they had one of the most horrible F-5 torandos ever seen and they still have tornados in the area, nothing has changed, but the lady that runs the Red Cross there said less than 5% of the people that live in that county are prepared for any kind of emergency, including tornados.

Now that is common sense, you know your area is at high risk for tornados yet you do nothing to prepare, NOT very smart but to each his own.
 
As far as multiple knives, RC-3, RC-4, etc. etc.

Different knives for different needs. Like having metric and standard tools, boxed end and open end wrenches.

Smaller RC numbers for smaller stuff, bigger RC numbers for bigger stuff.

An Izula for EDC, as they are legall carry in almost all 50 states, a RAT machete instead of a folding saw and a small hatched, etc. It is personal choice or some like to collect them all.

I have a RC-6, would love an Izula for everyday carry and would like a RAT machete as well, that should cover everything, but if I could get a RC-5 I would be very happy as well. :)
 
But PastorMarko - a devil's advocate would argue that you're simply justifying the purchase of more STUFF. lol

We are all consumers, the only differences are on what we spend our money - the latest trendy car, or the latest model RAT?

I'm reminded of an argument I had years ago, long before the creators of South Park addressed the issue - a couple of these goofball Goth-types were blasting one of my coworkers for being a "preppy conformist" and a "follower", when I pointed-out that THEY were also all dressed alike - the black clothes, the pasty-faced makeup, the black nail polish, the Doc Martens, etc. They were really pissed when I suggested that they were the worse conformists of all, they just chose a different uniform. lol
 
Dizwolf said:
I'm not close enough to open spaces to ride it out. Guessing my best bet would be to head as deep into canada as I could get. Bonus is they're not very well armed up there.
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That may be true for most sheeple in the big cities but rural folks up here are very well armed.;);)

There are plenty of survival minded people in Canada too.:)
 
I would freeze to death in Canada. I have little experience in surviving in such cold temperatures. The Yuppies in Canada would easily outlast me.
 
I now wish I had watched my Dad make pickles and homemade sauerkraut and horseradish sauce from his plants. I wish I would have paid more attention to my parents when they were canning. Rows and rows and rows of canned tomatoes, beets, peppers, pickles, pickled eggs...things that you would need a Medical Examiner to identify. :D

They could do it all.
 
Don Rearic said:
I now wish I had watched my Dad make pickles and homemade sauerkraut and horseradish sauce from his plants. I wish I would have paid more attention to my parents when they were canning. Rows and rows and rows of canned tomatoes, beets, peppers, pickles, pickled eggs...things that you would need a Medical Examiner to identify. :D

They could do it all.
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I can do the sauerkraut! Dad make the best. I can make beer and wine, too. I got a shotgun a rifle and a four wheel drive.........but I don't know about that plowing a field all day long thing Hank Jr sings about.
 
Horn Dog said:
I can do the sauerkraut! Dad make the best. I can make beer and wine, too. I got a shotgun a rifle and a four wheel drive.........but I don't know about that plowing a field all day long thing Hank Jr sings about.
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If my Dad could have made his own Pabst.

"Holy Mother of God, the genius..." :D
 
LOL, I agree with you oruacat2, LOL, but in the end, a RAT would do you a lot better than a car when there are no spare parts to keep it running and you can't afford the gas. LOL.

It will be time for the RAT plow, :)

I laugh again because I was a preppie conformist in the early 80's as well and a conformist into the early 90's. But life experiences change us. I found when I was very ill that the corporate god, with the little "g", will not be there for you, no matter how hard you have worked or sacrificed, the big corporations don't care, you are only as good as your last sale for them. So when I left the world, I left the world and never looked back again.
 
Don and Horn Dog, when I first started planting gardens myself two years ago, I wished I had payed more attention as well. I was 5 years old when I started following my grandfather in his garden, but it is a entirely different world when you are the old man in charge, LOL.
 
Horn Dog said:
Mom brewed the beer, Dad made the wine. They never took that next giant step......distilling!:eek:
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My grandfather on my mother's side was into distilling. He had to keep running from time to time from the police because of it too. :D
 
oruacat2 said:
I mostly agree with you, except, when did "government assistance" get all wrapped-up in the idea of simple self-reliance? Is that the difference - "survivalist" implies a political element whereas "survival" does not? If that's the case, then it's not the media painting this picture, it's the "survivalists" themselves.

KD
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I should have written "NO government assistance, and more self reliance." But in reality, we're all citizens of a country, and in addition to societal rules and governmental laws we must follow, the "up side" is that the government does in fact help us a little bit sometimes. Things like EMS, L.E. and Fire on the local level, and National defense on the federal level. Not everyone has the skills/knowledge/physical means to be a "survivor" all by themselves----------luck favors the prepared. So programs like FEMA are in place to save as many sheeple as possible. Those of us who don't want to chance our lives on "government efficiency," and/or don't feel like that's the right thing to do anyway, will prepare as we see fit and depend only on ourselves to survive whatever situation we find ourselves in.

IMO "survival" doesn't have to be only a Dooms Day scenario where society collapses and blood runs in the streets. Simply having a transportation system knocked out by a terrorist or natural disaster, the power or water turned off in your grid, or having your vehicle puke 200 miles from nowhere are much more realistic threats that the average non-survival minded person may not live through. Those who are prepared for the big stuff will probably fair very well during the smaller, more likely emergencies.

As far as the political issues are concerned. The liberal media will always portray independent thinking, self sufficient, smaller government types as kooks and crazies. They're job is to mold the thought patterns of the shallow thinkers, and they do their job quite well. I do not feel that "survivalists" are creating a bad public image for themselves.
 
Sorry, I just don't see this dastardly liberal media conspiracy.
Kooks and crazies do a fine job of making themselves look kooky and crazy.
 
I don't think there is a liberal media conspiracy but I do think there is a liberal media and that in itself is scary enough. I'm not much on believing any conspiracy theories.
 
oruacat2 said:
Sorry, I just don't see this dastardly liberal media conspiracy.
Kooks and crazies do a fine job of making themselves look kooky and crazy.
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Then you probably sleep a lot more soundly than me.

I DO believe in a media conspiracy, and that it's currently been driven by the White House.

Yes, kooks and crazies do exist, and as if my magic, they always seem to get the spotlight shined on them by the media. "Normal" people will be selectively ignored, or literally cut out of the shot like the suit wearing black man who showed up at the Arizona Obama rally with an AR15 slung on his shoulder. The media zoomed in on the rifle tight enough to completely crop out the well groomed and dressed black gentleman. It was much easier to throw around the "racist" label if the audience couldn't see who the full story.
 
R.A.T. said:
It could happen, but if I have food and I need something you have, then gold is not going to be worth a shit as a barter tool. You can't eat, shoot, drink or screw gold. This whole gold as a survival tool BS started back in the 70s. Gold, to me, is only good if the economy doesn't collapse.
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Exactly...if I am to invest in "precious" metals, I will choose steel and lead and barbed wire. These are things that will actually be useful if the SHTF.
That and food, of course.
 
"I have not checked the price of gold today or for weeks because I don't make enough to worry about it, but I know what I am talking about... If you paid, say, $1,200.00 for a Krugerrand yesterday, which is probably not too far off...and it is worth half that a year from now, you have lost nothing. Not a cent. Gold is not more expensive, the dollar is worth less. If one ounce of gold is worth half that, $600.00, 12 months from now, that means the dollar is worth twice as much as it is now. That $600.00 you would get by selling your Krugerrand would purchase, roughly, $1,200.00 worth of stuff in today's dollars."



Great example Don!
AI
 
Agent Iron said:
"I have not checked the price of gold today or for weeks because I don't make enough to worry about it, but I know what I am talking about... If you paid, say, $1,200.00 for a Krugerrand yesterday, which is probably not too far off...and it is worth half that a year from now, you have lost nothing. Not a cent. Gold is not more expensive, the dollar is worth less. If one ounce of gold is worth half that, $600.00, 12 months from now, that means the dollar is worth twice as much as it is now. That $600.00 you would get by selling your Krugerrand would purchase, roughly, $1,200.00 worth of stuff in today's dollars."



Great example Don!
AI
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Yeah, we got that and understand it really well but I think you missed a lot of the other posts involving the re4asoning behind NOT investing in gold.
 
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