Joseph Hargis Knives

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One of the lessons learned here is to not pre-pay for a knife you have ordered as others have already said.
I have a lot of customs knives but have never been asked to pre-pay. A couple of well known knifemakers have told me that they refuse an offer to pre-pay because then they feel a pressure to get the knife done. They say they think they make a better knife when there is no sense of urgency so they can spend as much time as required to get every 'step' as perfect as possible.
Some makers may fear that if a buyer backs out, they are stuck with the knife. The more accomplished makers know that there are other buyers who will jump on the chance to get the knife.
Knifemaking is a difficult way to make a living. Even those 'at the top' don't earn a high hourly wage.
roland
roland
 
So true Rolland ! They first custom I had done I paid up front and I was dicked around for months and months. When I did get my knife there was a crack in the blade and then I had to get pay pal involved. Maker claimed it was from the preasure that he felt to get the knife done. Then to find as all of these folks have you where just one of many. The one thing that these folks have done is get the law looking into it. That should wake him up a bit.
 
This is very true Roland. However, it is getting harder and harder to find these knifemakers who will do this. Many , more than not want money upfront now.

You don't figure on getting scammed when there are so many "witnesses". I guess we have all learned a lesson here.

I wont buy knives on any forum anymore. I hope the rest of us get our knives as promised.
 
Quote NS: "I wont buy knives on any forum anymore".
I don't think it is necessary to go that far. Better to select the knifemaker carefully.
I have bought about 150 customs here on BF direct from the knifemaker in the FB and Folder subforums. Every deal has been straight forward and 100% as it should be. In every case the knifemaker would have accepted return for refund if i decided i didn't like the knife once i was able to get it in-hand.
There are many truly great, world class knifemakers who are active BF participants and who post knives for sale here regularly. None of these guys would ever 'burn' you. Think of Bruce Bump, Ken Erickson, Jerry Halfrich, Rick Menefee, Brett Dowell, Joe Allen, Todd Davison, Lamont Coombs, Eddie White, Gerry Drew, Ban Tang, Ray Laconico, Dan Graves, Farid Mehr, Ariel Salaverria, just to name a few.
If you won't buy from any knife forums you will miss out on a lot of great knives.
The only time i was slightly 'burned' was by a well established knife dealer.
roland
 
WOOOOOOOO... Roland stop the insanity !!! LOL

I'm broke enough - I respect your hobby and enthusiasm fully, however, I can't keep up to the " true knife" collectors.
I'm just an average guy that needed a bushcraft knife to do tasks around the property. So, although I really enjoy BF , my purpose isn't to get into the collecting game.

You must have one heck of a collection !!!

Please , also understand that " once bitten, twice shy "


20 years military taught me that one !
 
I have about 7000 knives, from vintage to current production, custom and production, wide range of patterns, makers and countries of origin. To me it's a very interesting collection as it shows a good 'slice' of the limitless variety of knives made in the last 125 years.
But i'm not so proud of my addictive behavior that underlies so many purchases. It is pure "self will run riot".
roland
 
lol..... Well put Roland, well put.

Well , we are awaiting our knife deliveries with baited breath. None of us have heard anything. By none I mean at least 4 of us that keep intouch. We should have them in hand by Wednesday, so say the Sherrifs department. If NOT - they will proceed with theft charges.

What do you think Roland ? Will we have our knives ? Will they be in good shape ? Will they be on time ? " My knife is in ------- ?"

It's like " Match Game " with Gene Rayburn circa 1975 !
 
This is very true Roland. However, it is getting harder and harder to find these knifemakers who will do this. Many , more than not want money upfront now.
You don't figure on getting scammed when there are so many "witnesses". I guess we have all learned a lesson here.
I wont buy knives on any forum anymore. I hope the rest of us get our knives as promised.
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Please , also understand that " once bitten, twice shy "
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I understand your sentiment fully. However, most of the 'problems' occur with people placing orders for knives that aren't created yet. On the other hand, when you buy a a knife in the "For Sale by Maker" forum section, you're buying a knife that's already made and the knife you see in the sale pictures is exactly the knife you'll get in the mail. And all makers that I know of will refund your money if you're not happy and return the knife.

Just something to consider. :)
 
Yes Bob . It seems some of the people that have been burned ordered "custom" kives, and some ordered " already made" knives.

It appears there is no pattern with this knife maker. We ( the victims) just want our knives or money back. We have all agreed on that.

There was no reason based on past experiences or on feedback to think we were going to be "burned".

Here's hoping we all get our product or funds .a.s.a.p.
 
Something else that is bothersome about this whole thread. Where is the moderator support? Mods - Have you tried to contact Joe and put pressure on him? He can't possibly be allowed to sell again on here and I think the general concensus would be to have his account deleted so he can't do this again. Karda posted on July 4th saying he would pm him but no other remarks about contacting this guy.

As a paid member of this site I have been issued a "warning" infraction for making a comment in a for sale thread saying that it was a very nice knife and good luck with the sale even though I see these types of comments on a daily basis. There are a total of 3 comments from moderators in this thread with an abundance of complaints and evidence that Joe Hargis is a thief and a liar, plain and simple. His reputation is gone as far as I'm concerned. If I ever do receive a knife I'm not expecting much either, I want my money back at this point and he won't respond to any communication. He has even fed the local Police the same crap he has told us about shipping them out.
 
If you have a complaint about the moderating, the rules (which you violated and were warned about, instead of infracted), take it to tech support. If he gets banned you can kiss your knife and any money goodbye, is that a decision you are willing to make for everyone? Or will you complain that I killed your chances to get something out of the guy too?
 
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If you have a complaint about the moderating, the rules (which you violated and were warned about, instead of infracted), take it to tech support. If he gets banned you can kiss your knife and any money goodbye, is that a decision you are willing to make for everyone? Or will you complain that I killed your chances to get something out of the guy too?
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Ah, there we go. So you guys are reading this, I was just asking for support from the forum Moderators which does not seem evident in this thread. Is that not a valid concern? My point being that I get a warning for an absolute harmless comment complimenting someone but when there are people's money and reputation at stake the support is not there.

And NO, I would not blame you for that, not sure how that comment came about. Joe Hargis is to blame for this, nowhere in my post did I blame the moderators for losing my money. I took that chance with using the Paypal gift feature but it won't happen again.
 
People complain,"the mods are heavy hand control freaks, boo hoo" when we enforce rules. When we leave adults to conduct their own business they complain that we don't care, and the sense of entitlement comes out. You didn't aswer the questions I asked. Are you willing to be the go to guy if I ban this maker for killing any chances at any chances of getting their knives or money? So what would you have us do?

You got a warning for breaking the rules, read the rules and it won't happen. That is another point that has nothing to do with this thread, but if you want to discuss it, take it to tech support and stop derailing this thread with that already. You have no one to blame but yourself for that one. If you want to discuss it , take it to the proper forum, otherwise accept it and move along.
 
So I'll answer. It would be a start for the mods to put pressure on this guy by sending him emails, private messages, maybe a phone call and updating if anything comes of it. As for deleting his account, I think you should wait for other people who are in the same boat to discuss it. I don't think it will make a difference either way (in our cases) and you are the mod so that's ultimately your call. I won't be held responsible for anything, make that clear. I was asking for mod support to step in and give it a shot because he is not responding to any of his "customers".

As for the other point of my infraction, I am not derailing anything. As a matter of fact, I have been commenting in this thread pretty frequently keeping everyone updated. I will drop it but I wanted to make a point which I think has been made and is valid imo. Dropped.
 
If you don't want responsibility for your suggestions, then stop making demands and/or suggestions you can't back up. If yu continue , you might be looking at earning a real infraction. I'm not going to call anyone. I've sent him an email, if he responds or not is up to him. You should be calling him, you are the one that paid up front for a knife and have a vested interested in a positive outcome. You weren't asking for mod support, you demanded it and acted in a way which was anything but asking. So here we are.
For the record, we don't delete accounts, or posts, or threads. Things get moved offline when they get too stupid or out of hand. You wanted my attention, here I am.
 
Lol. Where did I demand support? I asked where the mods were because of the lack of comments, if you were in my position would you not be concerned as well? Any help or attempts to contact Joe would be appreciated by all who are involved in this. So I can get a real infraction for asking for support for the moderators? That sure doesn't seem right. Send it on over if you feel the need though. How would I be responsible for you deleting his account? Why, because I asked for support in possibly banning this scumbag before he does it again?

And I have been calling which I have noted in my posts in this thread earlier. I was simply stating that it seemed there was no moderator interest in this thread.
 
RevDevil said:
If you have a complaint about the moderating, the rules (which you violated and were warned about, instead of infracted), take it to tech support. If he gets banned you can kiss your knife and any money goodbye, is that a decision you are willing to make for everyone? Or will you complain that I killed your chances to get something out of the guy too?
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Why does this explain , why " we can kiss our knife or money goodbye" ? Please explain...
 
northernsurvivalist said:
Why does this explain , why " we can kiss our knife or money goodbye" ? Please explain...
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Explain? Sure. How would he feel compelled to refund your money when he is kicked out of th community for good? How would he be able to communicate with you? Banning him would mean that he is done here, any of his business is done. No knife, no refund, no participation, nothing.
 
Based on the views of this thread I would say a lot of people now know what Joe has done and there will be a damper on his business from this forum.

Rev, thank you for emailing him to see what's going on. We appreciate any help we can get.

Tiger and Northern, I know exactly how you guys feel but let's see what happens on Wednesday before we ask mods to Ban him. This thread has already given Joe a lot of poor feedback. If he does not do what he promised all of us, and Deputy Jordan for that matter, then we can create another thread requesting the Mods to take action against Joe's account. I'm not positive, but I do think accepting money for knives and not shipping them is atleast worthy of an infraction that will stick with his account for years to come.
 
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